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Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:51 am**

Both of those teams look stacked

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:02 am**

conditioningsucks wrote:Muck,

I am not going to take the time to compare lists but here are two rosters. One is for the MN Stars (Easton Synergy on Steroids) and the other is for Easton Stealth. Both teams are managed by Bob Capra - who manages the Easton teams. The Easton teams are affiliated with FHIT.

EASTON STEALTH

16 Tj Roo (F)
6 Rory Court (F)
5 Blake Winiecki (F)
25 Michael Hughes (F)
2 Frankie Mork (D)
19 Matt Pilot (D)
7 Jake Oborsky (F)
22 Connor Kelly (F)
10 Eric Bigaouette (D)
12 Jake Guentzel (F)
11 Patrick Graham (D)
9 Chad Dahlquist (D)
17 Zach Doerring (F)
4 Jake Peterson (D)
27 Jake Horton (D)

Goalie Stats
# NAME
24 Blake Cates
33 James Simmer

Staff
TYPE NAME
Head Coach Chris Dahlquist
Manager Bob Capra

Granted - the Stars roster is a loaded roster which cast off half of the crew from the Independent Cup last year to put together this roster for the International Cup.

Of the 15 Stealth skaters, only 8 were on the list...Like you said, that Stars roster is loaded, should it be any surprise that most, if not all, of them are on the list as well?

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:53 pm**

the 2008 Futures draft for the USHL from Minnesota looked like this, how many of these kids were on a simliar list last year and work out or play for FHIT associated teams? Any of these kids go to the USHL? How many of these kids were selected for Advanced 15's????

Derek Forbort D Duluth East High School
Joe Basaraba F Shattuck St. Mary's

Ben Marshall D Mahtomedi, MN
Nick Bjugstad F Blaine, MN
Christian Isackson F St. Thomas Academy
Max Gardiner F Minnetonka High School
Kyle Rau F Eden Prairie High School
Brett Stern D Centennial High School

Jacob Meyers G Benilde-St. Margarets
James Mullin F Shattuck St. Mary's
Nick Mattson D NTDP
Joe Schmitz D Centennial High School
Tyler Lapic F New Prague High School
Caleb Herbert F Bloomington Jefferson High School
F Breck High School

Chris Kreider F Phillips Andover

Troy Hesketh D Minnetonka High School
Ryan Reilly F Holy Angels High School

Sam Alfieri F Shattuck St. Mary's

Connor Reilly F Holy Angels High School

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:05 pm**

conditioningsucks wrote:One final thought.

Are any of the FHIT instructors on the Central Scouting Committee participating in the Advanced 15 evaluation process? This seems like a conflict of interest if any are and they should step aside.

FHIT does run a great program and I am not here to rip on FHIT. I just think a little more transparency is warranted.

I agree. This entire thread has just been an attempt to explore what that list is really about. There are simply too many players on that list who don't belong with the others or there need to be another 30 or 40 names added.

The problem arises when the list is passed off as an objective evaluation when it really isn't. As someone said earlier, it's business and politics. Yes, it's difficult to escape in life but we're talking about youth hockey, I think we should all do what we can to keep it as fair and objective and transparent as possible.

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:11 pm**

Where is Kortum from Hopkins on the list?

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:15 am**

I would use the word separate and independent. The USA hockey selection process should be separate, although many of the player names will be the same. The scouts or evaluaters should remain independent and should be pulled from a very diverse background.

OK I am being a little anal here, but the word transparent is troublesome because to me nothing changes behind the seens - same as it ever was.

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:53 am**

[quote="Bestinthewest"]Where is Kortum from Hopkins on the list?[/quote]

The USHL has some strict criteria regarding who gets put on the list. One of those is that those that self promote themselves on the Minnesota Youth Hockey Board are permanently banned from the USHL list.

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:48 pm**

I think most of the MN kids on the list (except for the Shattuck kids), had something to do with FHIT. Either their summer program, or the NAHL tournament last year. They were in the tourney under the Blades name. Two teams.

As for the list coming out now. I would say it has more to do with the Showcase camps they run, (USHL) rather than the Advanced program from MN Hockey.

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:42 pm**

Doesnt really matter about the list untill they have played highschool and the scouts can see how they play at that level

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:34 pm**

conditioningsucks wrote:Muck,

I am not going to take the time to compare lists but here are two rosters. One is for the MN Stars (Easton Synergy on Steroids) and the other is for Easton Stealth. Both teams are managed by Bob Capra - who manages the Easton teams. The Easton teams are affiliated with FHIT.

MN Stars (aka Easton Synergy on steroids!)
7 A.j. Michaelson (F)
15 Zach Stepan (F)
44 Alex Johnson (F)
91 Hunter Anderson (D)
23 Louie Nanne (F)
9 Max Coatta (F)
87 Lucas Dickison (F)
12 Kody Beckers (F)
21 Brady Skjei (D)
8 Jake Horton (D)
19 Kyle Osterberg (F)
22 Treavor Meador (F)
27 Andy Herlofsky (D)
5 Stevie Johnson (D)
6 Joe Freemark (D)
11 Nate Arentz (F)
17 Andrew Commers (F)
77 Tanner Barnes (F)

# NAME
39 Collin Olson
33 Connor Beaupre

Staff
TYPE NAME
Head Coach Marty Nanne
Manager Bob Capra

EASTON STEALTH

16 Tj Roo (F)
6 Rory Court (F)
5 Blake Winiecki (F)
25 Michael Hughes (F)
2 Frankie Mork (D)
19 Matt Pilot (D)
7 Jake Oborsky (F)
22 Connor Kelly (F)
10 Eric Bigaouette (D)
12 Jake Guentzel (F)
11 Patrick Graham (D)
9 Chad Dahlquist (D)
17 Zach Doerring (F)
4 Jake Peterson (D)
27 Jake Horton (D)

Goalie Stats
# NAME
24 Blake Cates
33 James Simmer

Staff
TYPE NAME
Head Coach Chris Dahlquist
Manager Bob Capra

Granted - the Stars roster is a loaded roster which cast off half of the crew from the Independent Cup last year to put together this roster for the International Cup.

Interesting that Easton managed to group together a much stronger MN Stars team than the Stealth. I would believe that Guentzel would be the only player on the Stealth roster that has the same ability as the players on the Stars

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:57 pm**

Nobodyonya wrote:
conditioningsucks wrote:Muck,

I am not going to take the time to compare lists but here are two rosters. One is for the MN Stars (Easton Synergy on Steroids) and the other is for Easton Stealth. Both teams are managed by Bob Capra - who manages the Easton teams. The Easton teams are affiliated with FHIT.

MN Stars (aka Easton Synergy on steroids!)
7 A.j. Michaelson (F)
15 Zach Stepan (F)
44 Alex Johnson (F)
91 Hunter Anderson (D)
23 Louie Nanne (F)
9 Max Coatta (F)
87 Lucas Dickison (F)
12 Kody Beckers (F)
21 Brady Skjei (D)
8 Jake Horton (D)
19 Kyle Osterberg (F)
22 Treavor Meador (F)
27 Andy Herlofsky (D)
5 Stevie Johnson (D)
6 Joe Freemark (D)
11 Nate Arentz (F)
17 Andrew Commers (F)
77 Tanner Barnes (F)

# NAME
39 Collin Olson
33 Connor Beaupre

Staff
TYPE NAME
Head Coach Marty Nanne
Manager Bob Capra

EASTON STEALTH

16 Tj Roo (F)
6 Rory Court (F)
5 Blake Winiecki (F)
25 Michael Hughes (F)
2 Frankie Mork (D)
19 Matt Pilot (D)
7 Jake Oborsky (F)
22 Connor Kelly (F)
10 Eric Bigaouette (D)
12 Jake Guentzel (F)
11 Patrick Graham (D)
9 Chad Dahlquist (D)
17 Zach Doerring (F)
4 Jake Peterson (D)
27 Jake Horton (D)

Goalie Stats
# NAME
24 Blake Cates
33 James Simmer

Staff
TYPE NAME
Head Coach Chris Dahlquist
Manager Bob Capra

Granted - the Stars roster is a loaded roster which cast off half of the crew from the Independent Cup last year to put together this roster for the International Cup.
Interesting that Easton managed to group together a much stronger MN Stars team than the Stealth. I would believe that Guentzel would be the only player on the Stealth roster that has the same ability as the players on the Stars

Have you seen the stealth play? Do you know anyone on the Stealth team? Just looking at a few names it looks to me like the Stealth is just as good, if not better. I just looked at old scores and it looks like Stealth beat Midwest and a few other teams.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:48 am**

When is this tournament?

CB00 wrote:Here's the 94 Minnesota USHL Central Scouting list. I organized it by position and by teams. This is in no ranking order. The complete list can be found at USHL website.

Are there players missing? Are there players on the list that shouldn't be on the list?

Please, don't criticize me on the list. I just posted it, I didn't create it.

Forwards

Dickison Lucas Andover U 14 F
Michaelson AJ Apple Valley Prep F
Anderson Hunter Burnsville U 14 F
Peterson Evan Benilde St Margarets Prep F
Doerring Zack Blake Prep F
Smith CJ Bloomington Jefferson U 14 F
Steman Dylan Buffalo U 14 F
Barnes Tanner Burnsville U 14 F
Bohn Nick Burnsville U 14 F
Colford Matt Champlin Park U 14 F
Kelly Connor Chaska U 14 F
Eklund Kent Chaska U 14 F
Holappa Steve Duluth East U 14 F
Toninado Dominic Duluth East U 14 F
Bell Dan Eagan U 14 F
Buckingham Jimmy Eagan U 14 F
Kuchera Nick Eagan U 14 F
Merchant Will Eagan U 14 F
Kaske David Edina U 14 F
Nanne Louie Edina U 14 F
Faust Andy Hill Murray Prep F
Lavalle Zach Hill Murray Prep F
Splichal George Hill Murray Prep F
Meador Trevor Holy Angels Prep F
Arentz Nate Lakeville North Prep F
Winiecki Blake Lakeville North U 14 F
Osterberg Kyle Lakeville South U 14 F
Mason Alex Maple Grove U 14 F
Paulson Tony Maple Grove U 14 F
Coatta Max Minnetonka U 14 F
Torrel Gage Monticello Prep F
Brenk Eric Moorhead U 14 F
Beckers Cody Northfield Prep F
Oborsky Jacob Red Wing Prep F
Dewitz Justin Rochester U 14 F
Farrell Landon Rochester U 14 F
Vesel Tyler Rochester U 14 F
Broten Chase Roseau U 14 F
Hughes Michael Roseville U 14 F
Montgomery Jake Shattuck St. Marys U 14 F
Jancze Jordan Shattuck St. Marys U 14 F
Commers Andrew St. Thomas Academy Prep F
Johnson Alex Stillwater U 14 F
Horton Jake Tartan U 14 F
Besse Grant Wayzata U 14 F
McFadden Patrick West St Paul U 14 F
Guenztel Jake Woodbury U 14 F
Halbert Easton Woodbury U 14 F

Defense

Manthey Kristian Anoka U 14 D
Horton Jake Benilde St Margarets Prep D
Anderson Hunter Burnsville U 14 RD
Anderson Austen Brainerd U 14 D
Mork Franke Chaska U 14 LD
Moore Meirs Duluth U 14 D
Kuchera Derick Eagan U 14 D
Peterson Will Eagan U 14 D
Bakke Nick Edina U 14 D
Herlofsky Andrew Hill Murray Prep D
Johnson Jonah Hill Murray Prep D
Skjei Brady Lakeville North Prep D
Freemark Joe Lakeville South U 14 D
Stumpf Matt Little Falls U 14 D
Freberg Jordan Maple Grove U 14 D
Johnson Stevie Minnetonka U 14 D
Mostrom Sean Providence Prep D
Kautz Brandon Rochester U 14 D
Bretzman Tony Sibley U 14 D
Pilot Matt South St Paul Prep LD
Click Rob Stillwater U 14 RD
Halverson Matt Wayzata U 14 D
Carney Lance White Bear Lake U 14 RD

Goalies

Olson Collin Apple Valley U 14 G
Koop Kyle Champlin Park U 14 G
Beaupre Conor Edina U 14 G
Franke Anders Elk River Prep G
West Ian Highland U 14 G
Kautz Brock Rochester U 14 G

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:05 am**

http://www.ushl.com/centralscouting/Sho ... erview.cfm

All the info is here.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:38 pm**

Thanks for the link.

D6Rocks wrote:http://www.ushl.com/centralscouting/Sho ... erview.cfm

All the info is here.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:12 pm**

The question you have to ask yourself with regards to the USHL (I mean fhit list) is how many of these players made advanced 15 vs. didn't, and who made 15's that aren't on the list. The obvious kids are on the list but there are some head scratchers as well as kids I know not on the list. But......I guess that is what I would have expected out of this or any list. However, I would rather put my money on the kids coming out of the 15's as the most accurate than the list from the Fhit guys.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:36 pm**

Gretzky9 wrote:The question you have to ask yourself with regards to the USHL (I mean fhit list) is how many of these players made advanced 15 vs. didn't, and who made 15's that aren't on the list. The obvious kids are on the list but there are some head scratchers as well as kids I know not on the list. But......I guess that is what I would have expected out of this or any list. However, I would rather put my money on the kids coming out of the 15's as the most accurate than the list from the Fhit guys.

That is why you don't make the list. That may be the most idiotic statement I have seen on this forum.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:09 pm**

Gretzky9 wrote:The question you have to ask yourself with regards to the USHL (I mean fhit list) is how many of these players made advanced 15 vs. didn't, and who made 15's that aren't on the list. The obvious kids are on the list but there are some head scratchers as well as kids I know not on the list. But......I guess that is what I would have expected out of this or any list. However, I would rather put my money on the kids coming out of the 15's as the most accurate than the list from the Fhit guys.

What about the worthy players who elect not to go out for the 15's for whatever reason? How do you figure them into your list?

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:11 pm**

flatontheice wrote:
Gretzky9 wrote:The question you have to ask yourself with regards to the USHL (I mean fhit list) is how many of these players made advanced 15 vs. didn't, and who made 15's that aren't on the list. The obvious kids are on the list but there are some head scratchers as well as kids I know not on the list. But......I guess that is what I would have expected out of this or any list. However, I would rather put my money on the kids coming out of the 15's as the most accurate than the list from the Fhit guys.
That is why you don't make the list. That may be the most idiotic statement I have seen on this forum.

Why is that Flat....cause you're pimping Fhit and can't stand the truth. What would you say if I told you at least 3 people with D1 experience or better looked at the list and agreed with me? You can disagree with my position (much like I disagreed with the list) but don't start playing the whining name-calling card.....cause we can all play that one

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:14 pm**

muckandgrind wrote:
Gretzky9 wrote:The question you have to ask yourself with regards to the USHL (I mean fhit list) is how many of these players made advanced 15 vs. didn't, and who made 15's that aren't on the list. The obvious kids are on the list but there are some head scratchers as well as kids I know not on the list. But......I guess that is what I would have expected out of this or any list. However, I would rather put my money on the kids coming out of the 15's as the most accurate than the list from the Fhit guys.
What about the worthy players who elect not to go out for the 15's for whatever reason? How do you figure them into your list?

Agree with you muck....they should be figured in no doubt. I just think the 15's list gets you to a better answer than the Fhit guys.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:15 pm**

flatontheice wrote:
Gretzky9 wrote:The question you have to ask yourself with regards to the USHL (I mean fhit list) is how many of these players made advanced 15 vs. didn't, and who made 15's that aren't on the list. The obvious kids are on the list but there are some head scratchers as well as kids I know not on the list. But......I guess that is what I would have expected out of this or any list. However, I would rather put my money on the kids coming out of the 15's as the most accurate than the list from the Fhit guys.
That is why you don't make the list. That may be the most idiotic statement I have seen on this forum.

Agreed!!! Pretty idiotic statement.

Having a kid on both lists....(and many others due)
The USHL List is more accurate for the Metro Kids. Maybe not the northern kids.
The USHL roster is deeper than the select 15's. There really is not ONE NAME on the USHL list that I have not heard of. (from MN)
The USHL list is not a 2 day try out process. The kids on the Easton Teams, Blades and or JR North Stars were hand picked... due to proving themselves over the years and not a 2 day process. The select 15's will be fun but not as talented.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:22 pm**

Gretzky9 wrote:
flatontheice wrote:
Gretzky9 wrote:The question you have to ask yourself with regards to the USHL (I mean fhit list) is how many of these players made advanced 15 vs. didn't, and who made 15's that aren't on the list. The obvious kids are on the list but there are some head scratchers as well as kids I know not on the list. But......I guess that is what I would have expected out of this or any list. However, I would rather put my money on the kids coming out of the 15's as the most accurate than the list from the Fhit guys.
That is why you don't make the list. That may be the most idiotic statement I have seen on this forum.
Why is that Flat....cause you're pimping Fhit and can't stand the truth. What would you say if I told you at least 3 people with D1 experience or better looked at the list and agreed with me? You can disagree with my position (much like I disagreed with the list) but don't start playing the whining name-calling card.....cause we can all play that one

Then they must be right...those D1 guys.

Were they good D1 guys or bad D1 guys? Not pimping any list just pointing out how stupid your statement was. I don't even know the "Fhit guys" but I do know how hard it must be to pick out a bunch of 14/15 year olds and please guys like you.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:23 pm**

CrashDaNET wrote:
flatontheice wrote:
Gretzky9 wrote:The question you have to ask yourself with regards to the USHL (I mean fhit list) is how many of these players made advanced 15 vs. didn't, and who made 15's that aren't on the list. The obvious kids are on the list but there are some head scratchers as well as kids I know not on the list. But......I guess that is what I would have expected out of this or any list. However, I would rather put my money on the kids coming out of the 15's as the most accurate than the list from the Fhit guys.
That is why you don't make the list. That may be the most idiotic statement I have seen on this forum.
Agreed!!! Pretty idiotic statement.

Having a kid on both lists....(and many others due)
The USHL List is more accurate for the Metro Kids. Maybe not the northern kids.
The USHL roster is deeper than the select 15's. There really is not ONE NAME on the USHL list that I have not heard of. (from MN)
The USHL list is not a 2 day try out process. The kids on the Easton Teams, Blades and or JR North Stars were hand picked... due to proving themselves over the years and not a 2 day process. The select 15's will be fun but not as talented.

Talk about contridiction here...
- Easton/Blades/ etc. kids are hand picked...you kind of answered the question of the whole thread. The 15 process while not having as much time to evaluate kids is a lot closer to unbiased than a father picking his kid and his buddies....or a coach from an area picking kids of friends of his and their buddies
- Let's take the final 20 from 15's and play off against these "hand picked" teams and see who would do better?...in fact, let's take the top 40 or so off the 15's list and compare/play. Enough said!

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:27 pm**

flatontheice wrote:
Gretzky9 wrote:
flatontheice wrote: That is why you don't make the list. That may be the most idiotic statement I have seen on this forum.
Why is that Flat....cause you're pimping Fhit and can't stand the truth. What would you say if I told you at least 3 people with D1 experience or better looked at the list and agreed with me? You can disagree with my position (much like I disagreed with the list) but don't start playing the whining name-calling card.....cause we can all play that one
Then they must be right...those D1 guys. Not pimping any list just pointing out how stupid your statement was. I don't even know the "Fhit guys" but I do know how hard it must be to pick out a bunch of 14/15 year olds and please guys like you.

You don't have to please me. The topic seemed to embrace the fact the Fhit list was close to complete and accurate when I simply was trying to point out a conflict of interest in developing the list and that it didn't seem all that complete or accurate. If that list would have come from any group of guys with credentials that haven't taken money from those on the list it would be more respected.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:28 pm**

Gretzky9 wrote:
CrashDaNET wrote:
flatontheice wrote: That is why you don't make the list. That may be the most idiotic statement I have seen on this forum.
Agreed!!! Pretty idiotic statement.

Having a kid on both lists....(and many others due)
The USHL List is more accurate for the Metro Kids. Maybe not the northern kids.
The USHL roster is deeper than the select 15's. There really is not ONE NAME on the USHL list that I have not heard of. (from MN)
The USHL list is not a 2 day try out process. The kids on the Easton Teams, Blades and or JR North Stars were hand picked... due to proving themselves over the years and not a 2 day process. The select 15's will be fun but not as talented.
Talk about contridiction here...
- Easton/Blades/ etc. kids are hand picked...you kind of answered the question of the whole thread. The 15 process while not having as much time to evaluate kids is a lot closer to unbiased than a father picking his kid and his buddies....or a coach from an area picking kids of friends of his and their buddies
- Let's take the final 20 from 15's and play off against these "hand picked" teams and see who would do better?...in fact, let's take the top 40 or so off the 15's list and compare/play. Enough said!

I hadn't really called you an idiot yet but I don't need to. Before we bet...would the D1 guys coach that top 20/40 team?

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:33 pm**

flatontheice wrote:
Gretzky9 wrote:
CrashDaNET wrote: Agreed!!! Pretty idiotic statement.

Having a kid on both lists....(and many others due)
The USHL List is more accurate for the Metro Kids. Maybe not the northern kids.
The USHL roster is deeper than the select 15's. There really is not ONE NAME on the USHL list that I have not heard of. (from MN)
The USHL list is not a 2 day try out process. The kids on the Easton Teams, Blades and or JR North Stars were hand picked... due to proving themselves over the years and not a 2 day process. The select 15's will be fun but not as talented.
Talk about contridiction here...
- Easton/Blades/ etc. kids are hand picked...you kind of answered the question of the whole thread. The 15 process while not having as much time to evaluate kids is a lot closer to unbiased than a father picking his kid and his buddies....or a coach from an area picking kids of friends of his and their buddies
- Let's take the final 20 from 15's and play off against these "hand picked" teams and see who would do better?...in fact, let's take the top 40 or so off the 15's list and compare/play. Enough said!
I hadn't really called you an idiot yet but I don't need to. Before we bet...would the D1 guys coach that top 20/40 team?

They would if the game could be played at a neutral site away from Fhit

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