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hahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahaBenito Juarez wrote:Bernie posing with the famed 02's...InigoMontoya wrote:I thought maybe that was a picture of Bernie that you pulled from your wallet.
Ya, first thing I thought of was one of Bernie's little field trips.InigoMontoya wrote:I thought maybe that was a picture of Bernie that you pulled from your wallet.
OK...you are right...kind of...they move on because MM DOES NOT provide the development or exposure that teams outside of Minnesota Hockey or The Blades can provide after a certain age. MM teams reach the Bantam Minor/PeeWee Major level and IMPLODE! MM has had some older players come back to train this summer on ice and dryland, but several of these same kids are playing for The Blades this fall...why didn't MM get the "band back together"?Blackhawkfan wrote:High Off The Glass wrote:Or do great players gravitate towards the organization (Blades) due to higher exposure tournaments and quality coaching at the higher levels. No one can argue the fact the Blades can hold together teams at higher levels while the other organization's teams dissolve. Another example may be at the 98 level with the orange team struggling with player exodus and not being able to compete any longer at the elite level. Yes, the Machine competes and wins at the younger levels with extremely talented players, but when the game becomes more complex, what seems to always happen. There is something missing with the Machine organization setup where families feel they must leave to find development elsewhere. Yes, of course, kids' associations have a part in success.Shinbone_News wrote: One feels compelled to ask: Does the Blades make players great, or do great players make the Blades? Don't the kids' associations have something to do with all this success?
Not sayin', just sayin'
Once again, someone who hasn't got a clue as to why Machine players move on......they move on because of the development. They move up in age bracket and on to other teams outside of Minnesota Hockey where the hockey is truly much better. There is another world out there beyond Minnesota AAA hockey!
I wonder why the older players came back to MM to train and develop this summer instead of just going to the Blades?SomeLikeItHot wrote:OK...you are right...kind of...they move on because MM DOES NOT provide the development or exposure that teams outside of Minnesota Hockey or The Blades can provide after a certain age. MM teams reach the Bantam Minor/PeeWee Major level and IMPLODE! MM has had some older players come back to train this summer on ice and dryland, but several of these same kids are playing for The Blades this fall...why didn't MM get the "band back together"?Blackhawkfan wrote:High Off The Glass wrote: Or do great players gravitate towards the organization (Blades) due to higher exposure tournaments and quality coaching at the higher levels. No one can argue the fact the Blades can hold together teams at higher levels while the other organization's teams dissolve. Another example may be at the 98 level with the orange team struggling with player exodus and not being able to compete any longer at the elite level. Yes, the Machine competes and wins at the younger levels with extremely talented players, but when the game becomes more complex, what seems to always happen. There is something missing with the Machine organization setup where families feel they must leave to find development elsewhere. Yes, of course, kids' associations have a part in success.
Once again, someone who hasn't got a clue as to why Machine players move on......they move on because of the development. They move up in age bracket and on to other teams outside of Minnesota Hockey where the hockey is truly much better. There is another world out there beyond Minnesota AAA hockey!
SomeLikeItHot wrote:OK...you are right...kind of...they move on because MM DOES NOT provide the development or exposure that teams outside of Minnesota Hockey or The Blades can provide after a certain age. MM teams reach the Bantam Minor/PeeWee Major level and IMPLODE! MM has had some older players come back to train this summer on ice and dryland, but several of these same kids are playing for The Blades this fall...why didn't MM get the "band back together"?Blackhawkfan wrote:High Off The Glass wrote: Or do great players gravitate towards the organization (Blades) due to higher exposure tournaments and quality coaching at the higher levels. No one can argue the fact the Blades can hold together teams at higher levels while the other organization's teams dissolve. Another example may be at the 98 level with the orange team struggling with player exodus and not being able to compete any longer at the elite level. Yes, the Machine competes and wins at the younger levels with extremely talented players, but when the game becomes more complex, what seems to always happen. There is something missing with the Machine organization setup where families feel they must leave to find development elsewhere. Yes, of course, kids' associations have a part in success.
Once again, someone who hasn't got a clue as to why Machine players move on......they move on because of the development. They move up in age bracket and on to other teams outside of Minnesota Hockey where the hockey is truly much better. There is another world out there beyond Minnesota AAA hockey!
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!!!Blackhawkfan wrote:SomeLikeItHot wrote:OK...you are right...kind of...they move on because MM DOES NOT provide the development or exposure that teams outside of Minnesota Hockey or The Blades can provide after a certain age. MM teams reach the Bantam Minor/PeeWee Major level and IMPLODE! MM has had some older players come back to train this summer on ice and dryland, but several of these same kids are playing for The Blades this fall...why didn't MM get the "band back together"?Blackhawkfan wrote:
Once again, someone who hasn't got a clue as to why Machine players move on......they move on because of the development. They move up in age bracket and on to other teams outside of Minnesota Hockey where the hockey is truly much better. There is another world out there beyond Minnesota AAA hockey!
ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!!!
THEY DO NOT IMPLODE...they have better opportunities come their way. The training that they receive opens doors for MM players and some move on to better programs and opportunities. Opportunities outside of Minnesota Association Hockey where they get national exposure.
The only reason they are playing for the Blades this fall is that they "stuck" in Minnesota Association Hockey and they have nowhere else to play until Minnesota's season starts in October. Most AAA teams around the country will have 1-2 months of training under their belts before Minnesota Associations have tryouts.
Location, location, location!!HockeyDad41 wrote:I wonder why the older players came back to MM to train and develop this summer instead of just going to the Blades?SomeLikeItHot wrote:OK...you are right...kind of...they move on because MM DOES NOT provide the development or exposure that teams outside of Minnesota Hockey or The Blades can provide after a certain age. MM teams reach the Bantam Minor/PeeWee Major level and IMPLODE! MM has had some older players come back to train this summer on ice and dryland, but several of these same kids are playing for The Blades this fall...why didn't MM get the "band back together"?Blackhawkfan wrote:
Once again, someone who hasn't got a clue as to why Machine players move on......they move on because of the development. They move up in age bracket and on to other teams outside of Minnesota Hockey where the hockey is truly much better. There is another world out there beyond Minnesota AAA hockey!
Would one of the "better opportunities" be The Blades? Nobody denies that the niche of MM is to develop the younger skater...and MM does a great job! At a certain point... MM doesn't have anymore to offer.Blackhawkfan wrote:SomeLikeItHot wrote:OK...you are right...kind of...they move on because MM DOES NOT provide the development or exposure that teams outside of Minnesota Hockey or The Blades can provide after a certain age. MM teams reach the Bantam Minor/PeeWee Major level and IMPLODE! MM has had some older players come back to train this summer on ice and dryland, but several of these same kids are playing for The Blades this fall...why didn't MM get the "band back together"?Blackhawkfan wrote:
Once again, someone who hasn't got a clue as to why Machine players move on......they move on because of the development. They move up in age bracket and on to other teams outside of Minnesota Hockey where the hockey is truly much better. There is another world out there beyond Minnesota AAA hockey!
ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!!!
THEY DO NOT IMPLODE...they have better opportunities come their way. The training that they receive opens doors for MM players and some move on to better programs and opportunities. Opportunities outside of Minnesota Association Hockey where they get national exposure.
The only reason they are playing for the Blades this fall is that they "stuck" in Minnesota Association Hockey and they have nowhere else to play until Minnesota's season starts in October. Most AAA teams around the country will have 1-2 months of training under their belts before Minnesota Associations have tryouts.
At a certain point Minnesota Hockey doesn't have anymore to offer either! Question? How many years is a AAA carreer? How many Years does the Blades/Machine support an age group?SomeLikeItHot wrote:Would one of the "better opportunities" be The Blades? Nobody denies that the niche of MM is to develop the younger skater...and MM does a great job! At a certain point... MM doesn't have anymore to offer.
Why in the world would you want to ruin a perfectly good debate with common sense and reason backed by some pretty good evidence?buttend wrote:At a certain point Minnesota Hockey doesn't have anymore to offer either! Question? How many years is a AAA carreer? How many Years does the Blades/Machine support an age group?SomeLikeItHot wrote:Would one of the "better opportunities" be The Blades? Nobody denies that the niche of MM is to develop the younger skater...and MM does a great job! At a certain point... MM doesn't have anymore to offer.
Bernie's 96's (his first group) skated together 5 years, broke up for 1 year and skated again this Summer in Bernie's Select program. Thats 6 years together out of 7.
The MN Blades 96's had a team for 6 years. Nothing this year. Thats 6 out of 7 years. This Fall there is a Blades U16 team that is made up of 95's and 96's not just perennial Blades kids!
The Machine 97's just finished 6 years of summers and will be skating together next summer in the Selects program. That will be 7 out of 7 years
The Mn Blades 97's just finished their 6th year together. I doubt they will be skating next summer but I will assume some will tryout for the Mn Blades u16 team next Fall. 6 out of 7 years.
What else can these programs offer? At some point these kids have to go to the next level and skate with their HS programs. So as far as I can tell 7 years is probably the max number of years assuming the team starts at last year mites.
So with both programs going 6-7 years at what point does MN Made not have more to offer? When the Blades end at 6 years are they at the point of not being able to offer more?
Gotta give it to ya!buttend wrote:At a certain point Minnesota Hockey doesn't have anymore to offer either! Question? How many years is a AAA carreer? How many Years does the Blades/Machine support an age group?SomeLikeItHot wrote:Would one of the "better opportunities" be The Blades? Nobody denies that the niche of MM is to develop the younger skater...and MM does a great job! At a certain point... MM doesn't have anymore to offer.
Bernie's 96's (his first group) skated together 5 years, broke up for 1 year and skated again this Summer in Bernie's Select program. Thats 6 years together out of 7.
The MN Blades 96's had a team for 6 years. Nothing this year. Thats 6 out of 7 years. This Fall there is a Blades U16 team that is made up of 95's and 96's not just perennial Blades kids!
The Machine 97's just finished 6 years of summers and will be skating together next summer in the Selects program. That will be 7 out of 7 years
The Mn Blades 97's just finished their 6th year together. I doubt they will be skating next summer but I will assume some will tryout for the Mn Blades u16 team next Fall. 6 out of 7 years.
What else can these programs offer? At some point these kids have to go to the next level and skate with their HS programs. So as far as I can tell 7 years is probably the max number of years assuming the team starts at last year mites.
So with both programs going 6-7 years at what point does MN Made not have more to offer? When the Blades end at 6 years are they at the point of not being able to offer more?
Puppet,HockeyDad41 wrote:Why in the world would you want to ruin a perfectly good debate with common sense and reason backed by some pretty good evidence?buttend wrote:At a certain point Minnesota Hockey doesn't have anymore to offer either! Question? How many years is a AAA carreer? How many Years does the Blades/Machine support an age group?SomeLikeItHot wrote:Would one of the "better opportunities" be The Blades? Nobody denies that the niche of MM is to develop the younger skater...and MM does a great job! At a certain point... MM doesn't have anymore to offer.
Bernie's 96's (his first group) skated together 5 years, broke up for 1 year and skated again this Summer in Bernie's Select program. Thats 6 years together out of 7.
The MN Blades 96's had a team for 6 years. Nothing this year. Thats 6 out of 7 years. This Fall there is a Blades U16 team that is made up of 95's and 96's not just perennial Blades kids!
The Machine 97's just finished 6 years of summers and will be skating together next summer in the Selects program. That will be 7 out of 7 years
The Mn Blades 97's just finished their 6th year together. I doubt they will be skating next summer but I will assume some will tryout for the Mn Blades u16 team next Fall. 6 out of 7 years.
What else can these programs offer? At some point these kids have to go to the next level and skate with their HS programs. So as far as I can tell 7 years is probably the max number of years assuming the team starts at last year mites.
So with both programs going 6-7 years at what point does MN Made not have more to offer? When the Blades end at 6 years are they at the point of not being able to offer more?
What's Bo going to do if this turns out to be true?
Know it all.MrBoDangles wrote:Puppet,HockeyDad41 wrote:Why in the world would you want to ruin a perfectly good debate with common sense and reason backed by some pretty good evidence?buttend wrote: At a certain point Minnesota Hockey doesn't have anymore to offer either! Question? How many years is a AAA carreer? How many Years does the Blades/Machine support an age group?
Bernie's 96's (his first group) skated together 5 years, broke up for 1 year and skated again this Summer in Bernie's Select program. Thats 6 years together out of 7.
The MN Blades 96's had a team for 6 years. Nothing this year. Thats 6 out of 7 years. This Fall there is a Blades U16 team that is made up of 95's and 96's not just perennial Blades kids!
The Machine 97's just finished 6 years of summers and will be skating together next summer in the Selects program. That will be 7 out of 7 years
The Mn Blades 97's just finished their 6th year together. I doubt they will be skating next summer but I will assume some will tryout for the Mn Blades u16 team next Fall. 6 out of 7 years.
What else can these programs offer? At some point these kids have to go to the next level and skate with their HS programs. So as far as I can tell 7 years is probably the max number of years assuming the team starts at last year mites.
So with both programs going 6-7 years at what point does MN Made not have more to offer? When the Blades end at 6 years are they at the point of not being able to offer more?
What's Bo going to do if this turns out to be true?
-96's Broke up.
-97's Were the one team that earned the compliment in my above post... A few got smart and left though to position themselves with the Blades.
-98's Have gone down the toilet bowl.
And quite a few have left because of the nutbag coaching..... Even HD Jr. will probably want to leave when he is able to make his own decisions...
1. Bernie McBainHockeyDad41 wrote:Know it all.MrBoDangles wrote:Puppet,HockeyDad41 wrote: Why in the world would you want to ruin a perfectly good debate with common sense and reason backed by some pretty good evidence?
What's Bo going to do if this turns out to be true?
-96's Broke up.
-97's Were the one team that earned the compliment in my above post... A few got smart and left though to position themselves with the Blades.
-98's Have gone down the toilet bowl.
And quite a few have left because of the nutbag coaching..... Even HD Jr. will probably want to leave when he is able to make his own decisions...
Name some names smarty pants. Who are these nutbag coaches? Who has left because of them?
I heard all the nutbag coaches are now up in the north metro in some new wannabe program. Know anything about that?
Wow - your answer totally shocked and surprised me. Not. You are so predictable.MrBoDangles wrote:1. Bernie McBainHockeyDad41 wrote:Know it all.MrBoDangles wrote: Puppet,
-96's Broke up.
-97's Were the one team that earned the compliment in my above post... A few got smart and left though to position themselves with the Blades.
-98's Have gone down the toilet bowl.
And quite a few have left because of the nutbag coaching..... Even HD Jr. will probably want to leave when he is able to make his own decisions...
Name some names smarty pants. Who are these nutbag coaches? Who has left because of them?
I heard all the nutbag coaches are now up in the north metro in some new wannabe program. Know anything about that?
2. The leadership is all that seems to matter as they act the same
The Made must love having you as their representation on here.