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I've read it all and read it slowly. You are asking us to compare apples and oranges, but pretend they are both apples.

Yes it would be unfair for Nanne to get approval from Edina and the MSHSL to play a game for NTDP and for the MSHSL to approve Baer to get kicked off the BSM team for visiting Vancouver.

However that's pretending the MSHSL had something to do with the BSM/Pauly/Baer case.

stpaul wrote:I've read it all and read it slowly. You are asking us to compare apples and oranges, but pretend they are both apples. Yes it would be unfair for Nanne to get approval from the MSHSL to play a game for NTDP and for Baer to get kicked off the BSM team for visiting Vancouver approved by the MSHSL. However that's pretending the MSHSL had something to do with the BSM/Pauly/Baer case.

Where does it end? Would he have been kicked off for going to watch a USHL game? I'd bet the farm that the answer is no.. The mshsl needed to step in on this one and chose not to.

Reason: The mshsl protects their product (their paychecks) like the gambino's..

Is it the Wild West out there and the mshsl has no say? Sure they do!

At least you admit that it's messed up. We all know it....

Might as well lock it up since the people that are able to grasp it already have.

Bodangles -

What you don't get...the mshsl league doesn't step in for stuff like that case it wasn't their decision making. It was Pauly's. And I know he doesn't care what anyone out there thinks of him or what he does.

There have been cases of zero tolerance at schools if a kid got caught drinking. Mshsl has rules in place but sometimes schools go above and beyond those rules. I knew a school that the coach would double the suspension. Should mshsl have stepped in there too?

Baer getting kicked off was a Pauly and benilde decision. No reason what so ever for the mshsl to step in. Now what are you having trouble comprehending?

Tigers33 wrote:Bodangles -

What you don't get...the mshsl league doesn't step in for stuff like that case it wasn't their decision making. It was Pauly's. And I know he doesn't care what anyone out there thinks of him or what he does.

There have been cases of zero tolerance at schools if a kid got caught drinking. Mshsl has rules in place but sometimes schools go above and beyond those rules. I knew a school that the coach would double the suspension. Should mshsl have stepped in there too?

Baer getting kicked off was a Pauly and benilde decision. No reason what so ever for the mshsl to step in. Now what are you having trouble comprehending?

Was there a rule set in place of "zero tolerance" for this? From what I've been told the answer is no. Should we expect the spanking paddle at some schools since the mshsl has NO say in how a school operates? The mshsl had no problem with it for their own greedy reasons.

Would a girl from BSM be kicked out of band for going to check out Julliard? No! But the mshsl would probably be ok with it if it competed with their band state tournament that brought in millions...

MrBoDangles wrote:
Where does it end? Would he have been kicked off for going to watch a USHL game? I'd bet the farm that the answer is no.. The mshsl needed to step in on this one and chose not to.

I agree with some of your points, but hypothetically, how would the MSHSL "step in" if a coach doesn't want a kid on the team anymore? Does he just have to be on the roster? Does he have to dress every game? Does somebody from the MSHSL show up at every game with a stop watch to make sure the kid gets a certain amount of ice time?

There's plenty of problems with how the MSHSL chooses to conduct their business, many of which, as you mentioned, are in the interest of making sure they line their pockets every March. But in the case last year, the problem was the coach, not the MSHSL.

WCHBlog wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:
Where does it end? Would he have been kicked off for going to watch a USHL game? I'd bet the farm that the answer is no.. The mshsl needed to step in on this one and chose not to.

I agree with some of your points, but hypothetically, how would the MSHSL "step in" if a coach doesn't want a kid on the team anymore? Does he just have to be on the roster? Does he have to dress every game? Does somebody from the MSHSL show up at every game with a stop watch to make sure the kid gets a certain amount of ice time?

There's plenty of problems with how the MSHSL chooses to conduct their business, many of which, as you mentioned, are in the interest of making sure they line their pockets every March. But in the case last year, the problem was the coach, not the MSHSL.

He would have to "step in" on himself since he's the president of mshsl's coaches association. He IS the mshsl......

MrBoDangles wrote:

WCHBlog wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:
Where does it end? Would he have been kicked off for going to watch a USHL game? I'd bet the farm that the answer is no.. The mshsl needed to step in on this one and chose not to.

I agree with some of your points, but hypothetically, how would the MSHSL "step in" if a coach doesn't want a kid on the team anymore? Does he just have to be on the roster? Does he have to dress every game? Does somebody from the MSHSL show up at every game with a stop watch to make sure the kid gets a certain amount of ice time?

There's plenty of problems with how the MSHSL chooses to conduct their business, many of which, as you mentioned, are in the interest of making sure they line their pockets every March. But in the case last year, the problem was the coach, not the MSHSL.

He would have to "step in" on himself since he's the president of mshsl's coaches association. He IS the mshsl......

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the coaches' association is not affiliated with the MSHSL.

It's a voluntary organization that provides support for coaches. Sort of like a union.

Karl you are correct. It's the minnesota hockey coaches association. Him being the president in that or involved in that has nothing to do with MSHSL. Anytime a kid gets kicked off the team it's the schools choice. Not the MSHSL!! Making more sense? Be mad at benilde and Pauly.

Tigers33 wrote:Be mad at benilde and Pauly.

Especially after last night.

karl(east) wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:

WCHBlog wrote: I agree with some of your points, but hypothetically, how would the MSHSL "step in" if a coach doesn't want a kid on the team anymore? Does he just have to be on the roster? Does he have to dress every game? Does somebody from the MSHSL show up at every game with a stop watch to make sure the kid gets a certain amount of ice time?

There's plenty of problems with how the MSHSL chooses to conduct their business, many of which, as you mentioned, are in the interest of making sure they line their pockets every March. But in the case last year, the problem was the coach, not the MSHSL.

He would have to "step in" on himself since he's the president of mshsl's coaches association. He IS the mshsl......

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the coaches' association is not affiliated with the MSHSL.

It's a voluntary organization that provides support for coaches. Sort of like a union.

The MSHSL has links that go to the MSHS coaches association for a variety of things..

I would think it would be strange if they made decisions how to teach/coach/exterminate our kids behind the backs of the MSHSL. What else would they have to talk about?

But I suppose nothing would surprise me....

Tigers33 wrote:Karl you are correct. It's the minnesota hockey coaches association. Him being the president in that or involved in that has nothing to do with MSHSL. Anytime a kid gets kicked off the team it's the schools choice. Not the MSHSL!! Making more sense? Be mad at benilde and Pauly.

No. I'm not comfortable with a system (mshsl) where a coach can kick a kid off a team for little reason and then the kid has to wait 365 days to play for another high school.

And no, I don't like the current Wild West mentality where different town sheriffs can impose their will on people.

MrBoDangles wrote:

Tigers33 wrote:Karl you are correct. It's the minnesota hockey coaches association. Him being the president in that or involved in that has nothing to do with MSHSL. Anytime a kid gets kicked off the team it's the schools choice. Not the MSHSL!! Making more sense? Be mad at benilde and Pauly.

No. I'm not comfortable with a system (mshsl) where a coach can kick a kid off a team for little reason and then the kid has to wait 365 days to play for another high school.

And no, I don't like the current Wild West mentality where different town sheriffs can impose their will on people.

I never played high school hockey, but I would assume that players have to tryout for the team and the coach picks who is on the team. I don't see how that type of decision of a coach is any different from a coach deciding to kick a kid off his team.

Traxler wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:

Tigers33 wrote:Karl you are correct. It's the minnesota hockey coaches association. Him being the president in that or involved in that has nothing to do with MSHSL. Anytime a kid gets kicked off the team it's the schools choice. Not the MSHSL!! Making more sense? Be mad at benilde and Pauly.

No. I'm not comfortable with a system (mshsl) where a coach can kick a kid off a team for little reason and then the kid has to wait 365 days to play for another high school.

And no, I don't like the current Wild West mentality where different town sheriffs can impose their will on people.

I never played high school hockey, but I would assume that players have to tryout for the team and the coach picks who is on the team. I don't see how that type of decision of a coach is any different from a coach deciding to kick a kid off his team.

Paid NHL players are even protected from these types of actions. Plenty have checked out the KHL without fear of being terminated. I could see being fined or having to sit out games for missing a practice, but they have representation that protects them from termination.

And high school sports are only meant to be a fun after school activity.... But the adult side looks at it as big business.

They're able to dash dreams at will. There's the problem...

MrBoDangles wrote:

Traxler wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote: No. I'm not comfortable with a system (mshsl) where a coach can kick a kid off a team for little reason and then the kid has to wait 365 days to play for another high school.

And no, I don't like the current Wild West mentality where different town sheriffs can impose their will on people.

I never played high school hockey, but I would assume that players have to tryout for the team and the coach picks who is on the team. I don't see how that type of decision of a coach is any different from a coach deciding to kick a kid off his team.

Paid NHL players are even protected from these types of actions. Plenty have checked out the KHL without fear of being terminated. I could see being fined or having to sit out games for missing a practice, but they have representation that protects them from termination.

And high school sports are only meant to be a fun after school activity.... But the adult side looks at it as big business.

They're able to dash dreams at will. There's the problem...

A fun after school activity and dashing dreams seem to be contradictory. If the kids are only in it for the fun, then they don't have dreams to be dashed.

MrBoDangles wrote:

Traxler wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote: No. I'm not comfortable with a system (mshsl) where a coach can kick a kid off a team for little reason and then the kid has to wait 365 days to play for another high school.

And no, I don't like the current Wild West mentality where different town sheriffs can impose their will on people.

I never played high school hockey, but I would assume that players have to tryout for the team and the coach picks who is on the team. I don't see how that type of decision of a coach is any different from a coach deciding to kick a kid off his team.

Paid NHL players are even protected from these types of actions. Plenty have checked out the KHL without fear of being terminated. I could see being fined or having to sit out games for missing a practice, but they have representation that protects them from termination.

And high school sports are only meant to be a fun after school activity.... But the adult side looks at it as big business.

They're able to dash dreams at will. There's the problem...

Man, ain't that the truth.

Traxler wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:

Traxler wrote: I never played high school hockey, but I would assume that players have to tryout for the team and the coach picks who is on the team. I don't see how that type of decision of a coach is any different from a coach deciding to kick a kid off his team.

Paid NHL players are even protected from these types of actions. Plenty have checked out the KHL without fear of being terminated. I could see being fined or having to sit out games for missing a practice, but they have representation that protects them from termination.

And high school sports are only meant to be a fun after school activity.... But the adult side looks at it as big business.

They're able to dash dreams at will. There's the problem...

A fun after school activity and dashing dreams seem to be contradictory. If the kids are only in it for the fun, then they don't have dreams to be dashed.

You're lost

Let me guess tho...I bet you are against the government getting involved with everyone's business.

Chain of people you should have your issue with...
#1 Pauly (FYI he could care less of your opinion)
#2 benilde athletic director
#3 benilde principal

Back to my example: you get caught drinking last night. The mshsl league says two weeks or two games, which ever is longest. However, the coach has a different policy. Whether that be doubling it to 4 weeks or zero tolerance and removing the kid. Are you then wanting the mshsl to step in and so no that's not allowed.

Each school is responsible for this. Not the MSHSL.

MrBoDangles wrote:

Tigers33 wrote:Bodangles is trying to compare nanne going to the USA team for or game as the same with the Baer situation. They are apples to oranges. Baer got waxed by a coach from a private school. Not the mshsl!! Your beef is with Pauly and the benilde AD in that situation.

Nanne going to the USA team for a game is the same opportunity girls get to do over the holidays. Both great opportunities and all welcomed back to their respective teams afterwards.

Baer a complete different situation cause Pauly dismissed him.

It's kinda like a Ford worker going out and buying a Ford and being patted on the head and a Ford worker going out and looking at a Chevy only to be fired on the spot.

And it's all happily ok'd be the heads of (mshsl) Ford.

Obey your masters.

You're straying from the topic.