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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:17 am
by AAA Dad
AMERICAN wrote:The League will definitely want a quick response from AA. My hunch is that the League's lawyer might have a good question or two for the AD, coach, new owners, and parents of AA. The new owners better hope that their predecessor paid the insurance premium before they skipped town.
Spoken like a true SPU fan
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:28 am
by AAA Dad
MN_Bowhunter wrote:I feel bad for the families at AA that apparently followed the rules and didn't try to lie and cheat their way to state, they must really be steaming right now.
I bet both of them will be demanding their 13 grand back.
Please! Why did you PM me not long ago about your dismal situation watching bad hockey asking me if I could help you find a home for your goalie daughter??? You wished you could afford achiever then......
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:34 am
by AMERICAN
AAA dad- I assume since the owners of AA have an email with the information listed in the recent Tribune article, that they have shared the email with the families of AA. I know I'd be screaming to see it if I had followed all the rules and would be harmed by the actions of AA. Maybe you could be the designated spokesperson for AA and enlighten this board as to the contents? We are all sitting here in suspense. It will be great to finally apply the facts to the law and see what the verdict is!
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:46 am
by Nevertoomuchhockey
AAA Dad wrote:MN_Bowhunter wrote:Congratulations to United and Catherine Johnson, who was phenomenal in nets tonight. Whatever happens, they are the true Section 4A champions and deserve to be at state. They overcame a reffing crew that dished out power plays to SSP like Palmquist was paying them, then gutted out an amazing victory.
Let's hope the league does the right thing with Cheater Academy, home of the Aces...4 in the deck and one up each sleeve.
What the hell did u have your eyes on tonight! SPU stole a win from a better preforming team tonight!! Puck luck is all that got your squad the W!... I thought LGRP sent you a radon detector to prevent these mental lapses !!
You hope somebody can step in and save you from your sure dimise on Thursday! Hope your crew paid the piper!
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:50 am
by Nevertoomuchhockey
AAA Dad wrote:MN_Bowhunter wrote:Congratulations to United and Catherine Johnson, who was phenomenal in nets tonight. Whatever happens, they are the true Section 4A champions and deserve to be at state. They overcame a reffing crew that dished out power plays to SSP like Palmquist was paying them, then gutted out an amazing victory.
Let's hope the league does the right thing with Cheater Academy, home of the Aces...4 in the deck and one up each sleeve.
What the hell did u have your eyes on tonight! SPU stole a win from a better preforming team tonight!! Puck luck is all that got your squad the W!... I thought LGRP sent you a radon detector to prevent these mental lapses !!
You hope somebody can step in and save you from your sure dimise on Thursday! Hope your crew paid the piper!
Hmmmm. Second loss by SSP to United this month. One of the top point leaders for United on the bench. 8 penalties to 1 including 3 on 5 twice. This has nothing to do with Thursday, but give these kids some credit where it's due. Last year's stats show SSP winning this match-up 8-0. I don't know enough about either team to explain this change but c'mon. Good for them!
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:59 am
by sinbin
Boy, I'm out of town for a couple of days and miss all the "fun". I'm one who generally does not believe in coincidences, so the timing is interesting at the very least. Obviously a difficult situation for all that must be resolved quickly. But can it be resolved both quickly and equitably (due process) at the same time, without someone fessing up (if indeed there is anything to fess up about)? I can't see any "winners" coming out of this situation. In everything is legit, AA's reputation is further tarnished. If not legit, those AA'ers who did play by the rules are harmed as are the teams AA defeated this season. You can bet MSHSL is hoping against hope that AA does not make it to State and solves their immediate problem. If not, what can MSHSL quickly and equitably accomplish? Stripping AA of any title/victories two months from now (again, if allegations are true) doesn't do any good whatsoever.
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:42 am
by MN_Bowhunter
Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:AAA Dad wrote:MN_Bowhunter wrote:Congratulations to United and Catherine Johnson, who was phenomenal in nets tonight. Whatever happens, they are the true Section 4A champions and deserve to be at state. They overcame a reffing crew that dished out power plays to SSP like Palmquist was paying them, then gutted out an amazing victory.
Let's hope the league does the right thing with Cheater Academy, home of the Aces...4 in the deck and one up each sleeve.
What the hell did u have your eyes on tonight! SPU stole a win from a better preforming team tonight!! Puck luck is all that got your squad the W!... I thought LGRP sent you a radon detector to prevent these mental lapses !!
You hope somebody can step in and save you from your sure dimise on Thursday! Hope your crew paid the piper!
Hmmmm. Second loss by SSP to United this month. One of the top point leaders for United on the bench. 8 penalties to 1 including 3 on 5 twice. This has nothing to do with Thursday, but give these kids some credit where it's due. Last year's stats show SSP winning this match-up 8-0. I don't know enough about either team to explain this change but c'mon. Good for them!
NTMH, sadly this is the typical AA parent response. It's all about my child and my child's team. Any compliments not directed at my child do not benefit me or my child so therefore they are not worthy of discussion. It's the kind of narcissistic entitlement reserved for the undeservedly wealthy and teenagers. It's evidenced by the immediate assumption that I am a United parent, which I am not. Totally unfathomable to them that someone would pay a compliment to a team that isn't their own.
It will be put on further display when the league punishes them for cheating, none will take any responsibility and they will blame everybody but themselves. These people are used to buying what they want and when their money can't get little Susie to state it stings a little. Instead of using this situation to instill some life lessons in their kids about hard work and integrity, doing things the right way, etc., they will blame the league and United parents for exposing their shell game. Or maybe they will decide to throw CP under the bus and pretend they had no idea. Either way, if I were a college coach I think I would look diligently for kids that I knew would work hard to achieve their goals, instead of kids who've been taught how to scam the system.
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:21 am
by Marty
Good for Team United. SPA is certainly peaking at the right time.
Hindsight can go in many directions. If AA did not get lumped into 4A maybe Totino would still be in 4A this year. Rather than an early exit in 5A maybe TG would be making inroads to state. They beat SPU 3 - 1 in an early season match up.
So isn't TG just as impacted as Henry Sibley, Mahtomedi, and maybe SPA/SPU in a few days ?
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:25 am
by Marty
MN_Bowhunter wrote:if I were a college coach I think I would look diligently for kids that I knew would work hard to achieve their goals, instead of kids who've been taught how to scam the system.
Really
College coaches are recruiting the kids not the parents. The kids on AA are working as hard if not harder. No one is handing them wins.
Parents that interfere with their child's college hockey coach will suffer a much greater rath than they ever may have felt interfering with their HS program.
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:56 am
by Matnorthfan
True, the AA girls are working hard at hockey. The academic side needs significant improvement to compete with the other schools that also produce very talented hockey players. Those players also have the ability to meet the academic rigor required by Ivy League and D1 schools. Getting a 16 on your ACT with no leadership or other activities won't help those girls. Don't have to be a rocket scientist but look at what they are competing against, if that is one of the goals of the program. Fix that piece and then get out of MSHSL. Go play other club teams.
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:25 am
by MN_Bowhunter
Marty wrote:MN_Bowhunter wrote:if I were a college coach I think I would look diligently for kids that I knew would work hard to achieve their goals, instead of kids who've been taught how to scam the system.
Really
College coaches are recruiting the kids not the parents. The kids on AA are working as hard if not harder. No one is handing them wins.
Parents that interfere with their child's college hockey coach will suffer a much greater rath than they ever may have felt interfering with their HS program.
Yes really. If you had one scholarship and 2 equal players, would you take the Hill Murray kid or the Achiever kid? One has 4 years of discipline, honor code, expectations and a structured learning environment. The other has been taught that the ends justify the means.
Which
Student/Athlete is more likely to plagiarize that college essay and get tossed out of school? Obviously if the kid is good enough they will find a college to play for, but I bet they'll drop down in the draft, so to speak.
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:56 am
by Marty
Unlike many on this site, I like HM.
That said, any and all catholic prep schools have just as many issues with behavior, drugs, and cheating as any public school. AA would likely be no better or no worse. To make accusations in that direction is
The behaviors (or misbehaviors) noted above are confidential to the child and the school the attend (if brought to their attention).
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:54 am
by AMERICAN
Come on gents, let's keep this topic about the Investigation on AA. Could one of you go and wake up AAADad and see if he will share the email contents the League and Tribune has with us? He is probably still sleeping after all the work he has to do billeting the out of state players. It could make for a really entertaining "show and tell" hour during school today!
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:02 pm
by AAA Dad
AMERICAN wrote:Come on gents, let's keep this topic about the Investigation on AA. Could one of you go and wake up AAADad and see if he will share the email contents the League and Tribune has with us? He is probably still sleeping after all the work he has to do billeting the out of state players. It could make for a really entertaining "show and tell" hour during school today!
I am unaware of the contents of the "unsigned" email from the "alleged" SPA dad to his friend at the star tribune other that it contains evidence of the stalking of children in person and on social media
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:05 pm
by Marty
MSHSL will likely not react until after the Section game is decided.
Too late now. How far do you go back ? Mahtomedi, Henry Sibley, AA forfeit entire season? Revise all teams that played AA and their W-L records. Revise those same team rankings (those on the bubble) and all the other Section seedings that may have been impacted. Replay those section games? The web extends quite far since AA did not really play many teams in their own Section.
While i stand corrected on who will play AA. It is now up to SPA / SPU to complete the task that MSHSL will not do (provide a ruling either way).
Anyone that can't read between the AA spokespersons words is fooling themselves. Sure they will accept the MSHSL ruling ... but not without full behind closed doors legal manuvering and representation. Threats of lawsuits ... who really knows. If it is confidential information than the MSHSL board cannot speak openly without opening another
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:09 pm
by hockeyfan21
AAA Dad wrote:
evidence of the stalking of children in person and on social media
The first is a serious allegation that if true should be treated that way. The second does not exist. If anyone (adult or underage) posts anything to an open access social media site it is considered for public consumption. If a student was stupid enough to (which many adults and kids are) post something inflammatory or admitting to violations of rules or laws, they have to face the consequences. There are plenty of examples of students suspended, expelled or otherwise disciplined for things done via social media. The same is true of employees who have been terminated for actions on social media.
It is called social media for a reason. You intend for others to see it.
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:27 pm
by pepperpot
It's obvious CP and cheater academy got caught. Any denial by anyone associated with them not knowing is complete BS, even the other parents. They all knew. Anyone who played them knew. Boo-hoo, I didn't know what changing residence really meant! I thought as long as she was staying with a friend it was all right! Boohoo poor us! Cry me a river. Their response to the inquiry tells it all. Claiming it is a interpretation of the rule will be their defense, despite knowing otherwise. Now MSHSL better tread lightly and not fool around, otherwise pandoras box will be permanently open. They need to squash these cheaters. Bowhunter is spot on. These entitlement spooners think they can buy their way to a title. CP was captain of the ship and needs to go down with it. Will people continue to buy into his bunk and all of the roaches that open programs like AA? Probably. It's the mentality of that crowd. Some things Never change.
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:35 pm
by Tenoverpar
It's just a matter of time before other programs add a classroom with some computers and a babysitter...er Teacher to "coach" the kids through ONLINE school and call themselves an elite college prep school..
the whole thing is a sham and I feel bad for the girls and boys who are enrolled with this program. They will likely have a tumultuous run while this thing tries to legitimize itself. The MSHSL should open the door for all of these girls to return to their previous school with no penalty next year for transfer. The school is at fault, period.
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:50 pm
by pepperpot
You are right Ten, but who is the "School"? It's not a traditional learning institution. It is a sham. The person that needs to be held accountable is CP. He is the coach, he recruited, he broke the rules. Maybe a ban from coaching a MSHSL team for a few years would be appropriate. This will probably negatively effect his buddy Winny too. No one likes cheaters, especially when you are talking Minnesota High School hockey, and we all have good memories. Good riddance to the whole lot.
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:21 pm
by Matnorthfan
Complacency allows cheaters to get away with their cheating. Everyone who cares about potentially having ineligible players in a state high school tournament should be hounding the contacts at MSHSL. The fact that the people doing the lying are the ones allowed to verify their information is Absurd. A JOKE. C'mon MSHSL - do something. Call and/or email them the MSHSL reps. They need to feel like they will be held accountable for their action to inaction. Get your ADs to DO something. ( even if it isn't their role or responsibility). Yea, yea.
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:43 pm
by AMERICAN
Matnorthfan- You are spot on. Let's all try to get AAADad to open his twitter account back up for the world to see again. Didn't know public twitter accounts and other public information were off limits when trying to figure out this puzzle. All you have to do is skip coffee break in the afternoon one day to bust this bunch. Or, maybe we need to take all of our hard earned tax money to get the League an investigator.
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:44 pm
by Bulldog3489
Marty wrote:MSHSL will likely not react until after the Section game is decided.
Too late now. How far do you go back ? Mahtomedi, Henry Sibley, AA forfeit entire season? Revise all teams that played AA and their W-L records. Revise those same team rankings (those on the bubble) and all the other Section seedings that may have been impacted. Replay those section games? The web extends quite far since AA did not really play many teams in their own Section.
While i stand corrected on who will play AA. It is now up to SPA / SPU to complete the task that MSHSL will not do (provide a ruling either way).
Anyone that can't read between the AA spokespersons words is fooling themselves. Sure they will accept the MSHSL ruling ... but not without full behind closed doors legal manuvering and representation. Threats of lawsuits ... who really knows. If it is confidential information than the MSHSL board cannot speak openly without opening another
When Prairie Seeds was disqualified from the state tournament for an ineligible player a few years ago the team had already qualified for state and was seeded number 2. The MSHSL did not take anyone from the section and just gave the team randomly assigned to play them in the state tournament a bye.
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:07 pm
by woogieboogiewoogie
No dog in this fight but I read article dated 2/10/14.
Online hockey schools prompt hard questions
By DAVID LA VAQUE, Star Tribune
02/10/2014, 9:48pm CST
In the article is a direct quote from the High School League Executive Director Dave Stead.
High school league executive director Dave Stead said "all Achiever Academy student-athletes are currently eligible, based on the league’s guidelines for participation."
Interesting quote from a MHSL spokesperson on the 10th of Feb.
Sounds like a closed case and they may have already looked into all these rumors/allegations.
The drama is entertaining though.
Let's Play Hockey!
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:21 pm
by AAA Dad
AMERICAN wrote: Let's all try to get AAADad to open his twitter account back up for the world to see again.
I have a current twitter account. I follow scores and on it but never have sent a tweet! ..You are a real genius AMERICAN aka Deepthroat aka SPA Dad........Did you really say you want to follow some girls on your coffee break??
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:39 pm
by woogieboogiewoogie
AMERICAN wrote:Matnorthfan- You are spot on. Let's all try to get AAADad to open his twitter account back up for the world to see again. Didn't know public twitter accounts and other public information were off limits when trying to figure out this puzzle. All you have to do is skip coffee break in the afternoon one day to bust this bunch. Or, maybe we need to take all of our hard earned tax money to get the League an investigator.
Or take all our hard earned tax money to help those having trouble paying for school lunches? Seems like a better use of $$$ to me than blowing it on an
investigator for a high school sport.
