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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:36 pm
by mulefarm
I think we should claim Crosby, didn't he graduate from a Mn HS?
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:45 pm
by BlueLineSpecial
warriors41 wrote:BlueLineSpecial wrote:warriors41 wrote:
Yes, Warroad imported someone that barely made varsity when he first arrived. Fact is, I he would have stayed in Washington, he probably wouldn't have become the hockey player he is now and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Glad to hear he was able to excel while at Warroad. I'm sure he got great coaching and support. Along with his probably ridiculously hard work and some god given skills he turned into a fantastic player. The story then should be about a kid who could barely make an average team's 4th line but moved to where hockey is king, and made good. But instead the story is "Olympic hero from tiny MN hockey hotbed Warroad". It's cheap journalism. I find the former to be a more compelling storyline. But everyone went with the latter. To each their own
I think the only cheap journalism taking place here is the narrative you are spreading that Warroad heavily recruited/imported some young hockey star from from a far away state. The facts don't support that story at all.
I'll spell it out for you. Read slowly: people in Warroad pushed on several occasions for them to move to Warroad and they outright stated it was for hockey reasons. His family stayed with a booster who also helped them find employment? Not sure how this isn't textbook importing of a player. Apparently you have a very different definition of the word. Those are the facts. I'm not making them up am I?
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:08 pm
by puckbreath
BlueLineSpecial wrote:warriors41 wrote:BlueLineSpecial wrote:Everyone should be proud of his accomplishment. It reflects well on the state. Just as a person like Phil Kessel reflects well on the state. You all can name call and babble on as much as you want about family history in Warroad. Doesn't change the fact that he was imported for hockey. End of story. And left as soon as that goal was completed. Nice little narrative for the media and the Olympics, but it's a half truth.
Yes, Warroad imported someone that barely made varsity when he first arrived. Fact is, I he would have stayed in Washington, he probably wouldn't have become the hockey player he is now and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Glad to hear he was able to excel while at Warroad. I'm sure he got great coaching and support. Along with his probably ridiculously hard work and some god given skills he turned into a fantastic player. The story then should be about a kid who could barely make an average team's 4th line but moved to where hockey is king, and made good. But instead the story is "Olympic hero from tiny MN hockey hotbed Warroad". It's cheap journalism. I find the former to be a more compelling storyline. But everyone went with the latter. To each their own
Can't fault the press completely; Warroad itself likes to spout the same nonsense
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:09 pm
by puckbreath
BlueLineSpecial wrote:warriors41 wrote:BlueLineSpecial wrote:
Glad to hear he was able to excel while at Warroad. I'm sure he got great coaching and support. Along with his probably ridiculously hard work and some god given skills he turned into a fantastic player. The story then should be about a kid who could barely make an average team's 4th line but moved to where hockey is king, and made good. But instead the story is "Olympic hero from tiny MN hockey hotbed Warroad". It's cheap journalism. I find the former to be a more compelling storyline. But everyone went with the latter. To each their own
I think the only cheap journalism taking place here is the narrative you are spreading that Warroad heavily recruited/imported some young hockey star from from a far away state. The facts don't support that story at all.
I'll spell it out for you. Read slowly: people in Warroad pushed on several occasions for them to move to Warroad and they outright stated it was for hockey reasons. His family stayed with
a booster who also helped them find employment? Not sure how this isn't textbook importing of a player. Apparently you have a very different definition of the word. Those are the facts. I'm not making them up am I?
My aforementioned, "Marvin Scholarship"
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:10 pm
by puckbreath
TJ Oshie
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:10 pm
by stpaul
There are two ways to look at this:
#1 Oshie is from Washington. He was recruited by a booster who got dad a job in Warroad. He stayed in Warroad for only 3 years of High School Hockey, was a star player, won two state titles and left.
#2 Oshie's dad was encouraged by his cousin to come back home with his son to Warroad. The kid grew up, thrived, found his family's history and home and became another Warroad hockey legend.
Both are true.
Real life doesn't always neatly fit the stereotypes some people want them to. Same goes for those on this board who claim to know what's best for somebody else's kid. Or those private school bashers who see only high school hockey purity in public "community" schools.
Re: TJ Oshie
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:20 pm
by puckbreath
stpaul wrote:There are two ways to look at this:
#1 Oshie is from Washington. He was recruited by a booster who got dad a job in Warroad. He stayed in Warroad for only 3 years of High School Hockey, was a star player, won two state titles and left.
#2 Oshie's dad was encouraged by his cousin to come back home with his son to Warroad. The kid grew up, thrived, found his family's history and home and became another Warroad hockey legend.
Both are true.
Real life doesn't always neatly fit the stereotypes some people want them to. Same goes for those on this board who claim to know what's best for somebody else's kid. Or those private school bashers who see only high school hockey purity in public "community" schools.
"Two mean say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong."
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:56 pm
by DubCHAGuy
mulefarm wrote:I think we should claim Crosby, didn't he graduate from a Mn HS?
No. His sister will though.
Re: TJ Oshie
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:00 pm
by mn miracle man
puckbreath wrote:stpaul wrote:There are two ways to look at this:
#1 Oshie is from Washington. He was recruited by a booster who got dad a job in Warroad. He stayed in Warroad for only 3 years of High School Hockey, was a star player, won two state titles and left.
#2 Oshie's dad was encouraged by his cousin to come back home with his son to Warroad. The kid grew up, thrived, found his family's history and home and became another Warroad hockey legend.
Both are true.
Real life doesn't always neatly fit the stereotypes some people want them to. Same goes for those on this board who claim to know what's best for somebody else's kid. Or those private school bashers who see only high school hockey purity in public "community" schools.
"Two mean say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong."
I think we can all agree on two things:
1) Oshie himself claims that Warroad is his "hometown" so that is what should truly matter
2) puckbreath uses way too many emoticons
Re: TJ Oshie
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:07 pm
by puckbreath
mn miracle man wrote:puckbreath wrote:stpaul wrote:There are two ways to look at this:
#1 Oshie is from Washington. He was recruited by a booster who got dad a job in Warroad. He stayed in Warroad for only 3 years of High School Hockey, was a star player, won two state titles and left.
#2 Oshie's dad was encouraged by his cousin to come back home with his son to Warroad. The kid grew up, thrived, found his family's history and home and became another Warroad hockey legend.
Both are true.
Real life doesn't always neatly fit the stereotypes some people want them to. Same goes for those on this board who claim to know what's best for somebody else's kid. Or those private school bashers who see only high school hockey purity in public "community" schools.
"Two mean say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong."
I think we can all agree on two things:
1) Oshie himself claims that Warroad is his "hometown" so that is what should truly matter
2) puckbreath uses way too many emoticons
1. Even if it isn't true, eh ?
2.
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:17 pm
by warriors41
BlueLineSpecial wrote:warriors41 wrote:BlueLineSpecial wrote:
Glad to hear he was able to excel while at Warroad. I'm sure he got great coaching and support. Along with his probably ridiculously hard work and some god given skills he turned into a fantastic player. The story then should be about a kid who could barely make an average team's 4th line but moved to where hockey is king, and made good. But instead the story is "Olympic hero from tiny MN hockey hotbed Warroad". It's cheap journalism. I find the former to be a more compelling storyline. But everyone went with the latter. To each their own
I think the only cheap journalism taking place here is the narrative you are spreading that Warroad heavily recruited/imported some young hockey star from from a far away state. The facts don't support that story at all.
I'll spell it out for you. Read slowly: people in Warroad pushed on several occasions for them to move to Warroad and they outright stated it was for hockey reasons. His family stayed with a booster who also helped them find employment? Not sure how this isn't textbook importing of a player. Apparently you have a very different definition of the word. Those are the facts. I'm not making them up am I?
No, you aren't making up these facts, just spinning them. Where you use the word "booster," I think most would use the word family.
And even if it was some random booster, why on God's green earth would they go through all this trouble of bringing in someone that barely made the team? Were they looking for some depth on that 4th line? Seems like they could have found someone a little closer than WA.
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:29 pm
by BlueLineSpecial
warriors41 wrote:BlueLineSpecial wrote:warriors41 wrote:
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:23 pm
by hawkhockey
elliott70 wrote:BlueLineSpecial wrote:So this guy gets rented by Warroad for three years, comes to the state to win a class A title, then leaves for a bitter state rival in UND and we claim him as our own and brag about it? Probably the exact same people that complain endlessly about private schools stealing the best players away from their associations lol. Either this behavior is acceptable or it's not. TJ is as far from a Minnesota product as you can get. Sorry
Not rented.
Part of the community.
The coaching he got in Warroad brought him a long ways, but what he got was more than that. He learned about his relatives, his heritage, and what it meant to be part of a community and family.
UND a bitter rivalry. Lots of people around here feel a stronger connection to UND than UofM.
Go back to the discount store you came from.
We are proud of TJ Oshie, his family members, his high school and the northland.
And the USA.
This guy brings up very valid points about why Oshie really isn't a Minnesotan and you didn't even respond to those and instead attacked him.
Everyone in MN is proud of Oshie, you're not alone. There just happen to be a few of us that believe we shouldn't damage the integrity of our state by claiming someone who is not our own. Regardless of where his extended family was located, or how much he developed in Warroad, he spent 3 years here as a resident. We could probably claim others as Minnesotans as well by that criteria.
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:55 pm
by Ugottobekiddingme
hawkhockey wrote:elliott70 wrote:BlueLineSpecial wrote:So this guy gets rented by Warroad for three years, comes to the state to win a class A title, then leaves for a bitter state rival in UND and we claim him as our own and brag about it? Probably the exact same people that complain endlessly about private schools stealing the best players away from their associations lol. Either this behavior is acceptable or it's not. TJ is as far from a Minnesota product as you can get. Sorry
Not rented.
Part of the community.
The coaching he got in Warroad brought him a long ways, but what he got was more than that. He learned about his relatives, his heritage, and what it meant to be part of a community and family.
UND a bitter rivalry. Lots of people around here feel a stronger connection to UND than UofM.
Go back to the discount store you came from.
We are proud of TJ Oshie, his family members, his high school and the northland.
And the USA.
This guy brings up very valid points about why Oshie really isn't a Minnesotan and you didn't even respond to those and instead attacked him.
Everyone in MN is proud of Oshie, you're not alone. There just happen to be a
few of us that believe we shouldn't damage the integrity of our state by claiming someone who is not our own. Regardless of where his extended family was located, or how much he developed in Warroad, he spent 3 years here as a resident. We could probably claim others as Minnesotans as well by that criteria.
Wow...maybe Dave Christian who helped the USA in 1980 upset the Russian dominant hockey team and is also from Warroad's proud hockey community might stand with their own supporting Oshie in Sochi. Although wood sticks are a thing of the past it's obvious there are still a few that need a good woodshed experience with any remaining sticks from Christian Brothers. There is no integrity within your comments on who is our own. Congrats to Warroad's success in hockey and if you can't support the efforts of team USA then maybe someone can claim you.
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:21 am
by BlueLineSpecial
Ugottobekiddingme wrote:hawkhockey wrote:elliott70 wrote:
Not rented.
Part of the community.
The coaching he got in Warroad brought him a long ways, but what he got was more than that. He learned about his relatives, his heritage, and what it meant to be part of a community and family.
UND a bitter rivalry. Lots of people around here feel a stronger connection to UND than UofM.
Go back to the discount store you came from.
We are proud of TJ Oshie, his family members, his high school and the northland.
And the USA.
This guy brings up very valid points about why Oshie really isn't a Minnesotan and you didn't even respond to those and instead attacked him.
Everyone in MN is proud of Oshie, you're not alone. There just happen to be a
few of us that believe we shouldn't damage the integrity of our state by claiming someone who is not our own. Regardless of where his extended family was located, or how much he developed in Warroad, he spent 3 years here as a resident. We could probably claim others as Minnesotans as well by that criteria.
Wow...maybe Dave Christian who helped the USA in 1980 upset the Russian dominant hockey team and is also from Warroad's proud hockey community might stand with their own supporting Oshie in Sochi. Although wood sticks are a thing of the past it's obvious there are still a few that need a good woodshed experience with any remaining sticks from Christian Brothers. There is no integrity within your comments on who is our own. Congrats to Warroad's success in hockey and if you can't support the efforts of team USA then maybe someone can claim you.
I knew someone would come out and respond back the way you just did. There isn't a lot of room on this forum for dissenting opinions. You'll quickly receive a barrage of name calling and shaming. Not a lot of people are up for a conversation with depth. They prefer that no one questions anything. You can't be proud of the accomplishment and it's connection to MN while also acknowledging he may not really be a Minnesota export any more than he's a Washington state or North Dakota export. But again, that wouldn't fit the narrative so keep up with the name calling and overreacting.
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:52 am
by DubCHAGuy
hawkhockey wrote:elliott70 wrote:BlueLineSpecial wrote:So this guy gets rented by Warroad for three years, comes to the state to win a class A title, then leaves for a bitter state rival in UND and we claim him as our own and brag about it? Probably the exact same people that complain endlessly about private schools stealing the best players away from their associations lol. Either this behavior is acceptable or it's not. TJ is as far from a Minnesota product as you can get. Sorry
Not rented.
Part of the community.
The coaching he got in Warroad brought him a long ways, but what he got was more than that. He learned about his relatives, his heritage, and what it meant to be part of a community and family.
UND a bitter rivalry. Lots of people around here feel a stronger connection to UND than UofM.
Go back to the discount store you came from.
We are proud of TJ Oshie, his family members, his high school and the northland.
And the USA.
This guy brings up very valid points about why Oshie really isn't a Minnesotan and you didn't even respond to those and instead attacked him.
Everyone in MN is proud of Oshie, you're not alone. There just happen to be a few of us that believe we shouldn't damage the integrity of our state by claiming someone who is not our own. Regardless of where his extended family was located, or how much he developed in Warroad, he spent 3 years here as a resident.
We could probably claim others as Minnesotans as well by that criteria.
Just curious, what is your criteria? How many years and at what age do they have to live here to be a Minnesotan? Do we get Jarred Tinordi (Born here when Mark was a North Star), Lindsey Vonn (Left to train as a teen), Mike Yeo's kid (started playing here at age 12 when Mike took over the Wild)?
Just wondering what you use to decide since not everyone lives in one town their whole life. For me, I simply ask someone what their hometown is. Whatever they say is where they call home. Oshie seems to claim Warroad.
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:23 am
by BlueLineSpecial
Tj
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:42 am
by Flin Flon
Being a Old time Section 8a and North Dakota Sioux fan I would like to see what reaction would have come if Oshie would have had taken a penalty with say 3 min left and Russia would have scored a goal to win the game.. My guess this thread and many others would have Gopher fans calling for his head and calling Oshie out for his "Sioux Goon antics" and why in the Hell was the player put on the team and instead of a hockey hero a hockey Zero who lost a game for the USA. Double standard or NO?
Re: Tj
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:16 am
by DubCHAGuy
Flin Flon wrote:Being a Old time Section 8a and North Dakota Sioux fan I would like to see what reaction would have come if Oshie would have had taken a penalty with say 3 min left and Russia would have scored a goal to win the game.. My guess this thread and many others would have Gopher fans calling for his head and calling Oshie out for his "Sioux Goon antics" and why in the Hell was the player put on the team and instead of a hockey hero a hockey Zero who lost a game for the USA. Double standard or NO?
If that actually happened, Yes. But it didn't, you just made up an entire scenario and the reaction of a group of fans.
I think I speak for most MN hockey fans when I say I think it's great seeing all the MN guys representing USA, regardless of how it plays out, and regardless of where they played their college hockey.
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:21 am
by GreekChurch
Interesting, I didn't know his name was Tim
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:47 am
by Crimson Live
This discussion is what sucks about this website. Guy goes out and does absolutely carries USA on his back and has a career defining moment and all anyone seems to talk about is if he is from Warroad or not. Oshie says himself that Warroad is his hometown so who else's opinion really matters on said topic? Just be proud of what he did, be excited that he is part of this team and cheer for the US on their way to Gold!
Re: Tj
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:52 am
by Flin Flon
DubCHAGuy wrote:Flin Flon wrote:Being a Old time Section 8a and North Dakota Sioux fan I would like to see what reaction would have come if Oshie would have had taken a penalty with say 3 min left and Russia would have scored a goal to win the game.. My guess this thread and many others would have Gopher fans calling for his head and calling Oshie out for his "Sioux Goon antics" and why in the Hell was the player put on the team and instead of a hockey hero a hockey Zero who lost a game for the USA. Double standard or NO?
If that actually happened, Yes. But it didn't, you just made up an entire scenario and the reaction of a group of fans.
I think I speak for most MN hockey fans when I say I think it's great seeing all the MN guys representing USA, regardless of how it plays out, and regardless of where they played their college hockey.
That is my exact point... Dub.. If lets Say Paul Martin takes the penalty and USA loses not a thing would be said by the Gopher fans on why he is out their and took a dumb penalty in that situation. So you claim him if he does something positive but shun him if it's in a negative light just because of the college he chose. NOT because he is a Minnesoatan.. Double Standard
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:43 am
by MrBoDangles
Some clues:
-Great bloodline in Warroad
- Nobody else close has come close in talent from Washington
- He was influenced by his family bloodline and the town as a youth player
- Came home to his hockey heaven (unlimited ice) and turned in to the player he is
- Never would have developed the same without the Minnesota ties
- Warroad, Minnesotan, all the way
Case closed!
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:57 am
by puckbreath
Looks like more than a few didn't read this article, eh BLS ?
"He considers Everett, Wash., where he was raised, his hometown."
oopsy............
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:10 pm
by DubCHAGuy
puckbreath wrote:
Looks like more than a few didn't read this article, eh BLS ?
"He considers Everett, Wash., where he was raised, his hometown."
oopsy............
Says one ESPN blogger. If it came from TJ, then Everett, WA it is! He usually lists Warroad, MN though.
I'm still curious, what is your criteria? How many years and at what age do they have to live here to be a Minnesotan? Do we get Jarred Tinordi (Born here when Mark was a North Star), Lindsey Vonn (Left to train as a teen), Mike Yeo's kid (started playing here at age 12 when Mike took over the Wild)?