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I listed all the Shattuck kids as "No"goldy313 wrote:Zach Parise didn't play high school hockey did he? I thought he just played at Shattuck.
Fixedgoldy313 wrote:Hayes played his senior year at LaCrescent.
FixedWblhcky2424 wrote:Justin Braun played his senior year at White Bear
A growing number of kids/families are also choosing to leave HS early to take advantage of various PSEO educational opportunities in a town where they can also train and play Junior A hockey rather than stay. Depending upon the particular Higher-Ed school, the student can have their tuition, books & parking paid 100% by the state as early as a junior in HS. So yes it is a financial choice, stay in HS, or ... get free Higher-Ed tuition, books, parking, and received both College & High School credit for completed course work, plus the benefits of training and competing a higher level than what MSHSL can hope to offer. In a way its like getting scholarship $$ before entering college full time. In addition, the college credits will eventually transfer to the college of your choice down the road. Not a bad deal provided the student can handle the challenge of expanding their comfort zone.The Exiled One wrote: I'm saying that there are some logical reasons for leaving early if a kid is emotionally and mentally prepared for it. ... It's a trade-off. There's no "right" decision, just a decision. I think most high-end kids (and their parents) DO realize this.
I love the PSEO option! My local HS has tons of PSEO options and works with MNSCU to ensure the credits will transfer. I'm pretty sure there are quite a few Minnesota high schools that do this, but I don't have a definitive list. There are probably more in the metro area than in the outstate schools.LSQRANK wrote:A growing number of kids/families are also choosing to leave HS early to take advantage of various PSEO educational opportunities in a town where they can also train and play Junior A hockey rather than stay. Depending upon the particular Higher-Ed school, the student can have their tuition, books & parking paid 100% by the state as early as a junior in HS. So yes it is a financial choice, stay in HS, or ... get free Higher-Ed tuition, books, parking, and received both College & High School credit for completed course work, plus the benefits of training and competing a higher level than what MSHSL can hope to offer. In a way its like getting scholarship $$ before entering college full time. In addition, the college credits will eventually transfer to the college of your choice down the road. Not a bad deal provided the student can handle the challenge of expanding their comfort zone.
These kids aren't leaving high school administratively. They are still considered students at their high school and maintain the right to play varsity athletics for that school no matter where they physically take their classes under PSEO.LSQRANK wrote:A growing number of kids/families are also choosing to leave HS early to take advantage of various PSEO educational opportunities in a town where they can also train and play Junior A hockey rather than stay. Depending upon the particular Higher-Ed school, the student can have their tuition, books & parking paid 100% by the state as early as a junior in HS. So yes it is a financial choice, stay in HS, or ... get free Higher-Ed tuition, books, parking, and received both College & High School credit for completed course work, plus the benefits of training and competing a higher level than what MSHSL can hope to offer. In a way its like getting scholarship $$ before entering college full time. In addition, the college credits will eventually transfer to the college of your choice down the road. Not a bad deal provided the student can handle the challenge of expanding their comfort zone.The Exiled One wrote: I'm saying that there are some logical reasons for leaving early if a kid is emotionally and mentally prepared for it. ... It's a trade-off. There's no "right" decision, just a decision. I think most high-end kids (and their parents) DO realize this.
Yes they are if they are leaving the state. State of Iowa has similar program which some USHL kids take advantage of. States of Wyoming & Colorado also has similar program under a different name for WSHL kids who participate.These kids aren't leaving high school administratively. They are still considered students at their high school and maintain the right to play varsity athletics for that school no matter where they physically take their classes under PSEO.
I don't think education is the reason many of these kids are leaving, many of them return to their original high school when the season is over. I obviously can't speak for all schools, but the kids who left Edina for hockey would come back in the spring when the season ended to graduate with their original high school.LSQRANK wrote:Yes they are if they are leaving the state. State of Iowa has similar program which some USHL kids take advantage of. States of Wyoming & Colorado also has similar program under a different name for WSHL kids who participate.These kids aren't leaving high school administratively. They are still considered students at their high school and maintain the right to play varsity athletics for that school no matter where they physically take their classes under PSEO.
Yes I agree, its a two part equation (junior hockey + "PSEO-Type" education). Those kids who do come back immediately after the junior season generally are taking hybrid on-line courses through the college in spring semester term. Some elect just to stay through finals week in early May and continue training, and then come back and re-enroll/transfer into their local neighborhood high school just to get the piece of paper from a MN HS. But generally at that point, the kid is completely done with their HS credits and they are just taking a token class or study hall for 3 weeks until June graduation. I guess the point is, whether the kid stays in MN to enroll in PSEO and play juniors in MN or leave MN, its a financial incentive in the form of free college tuition, books and parking, plus receiving both College and HS credits. Anyway you cut it, its a good deal to get ahead in the game for a post-high school education.green4 wrote:I don't think education is the reason many of these kids are leaving, many of them return to their original high school when the season is over. I obviously can't speak for all schools, but the kids who left Edina for hockey would come back in the spring when the season ended to graduate with their original high school.
I think Will could legitimately leave for full season. Myles will play before and after. He is also going to play a year before going to Brown. Jackson, not sure. I could see him playing after the season. And a few in the fall too.The Exiled One wrote:Anybody have word on Will Garin (Holy Family), Myles Cunningham (Blake), or Jackson Cates (Stillwater)? They were all selected fairly early in the USHL draft. Their rights are forfeit if they don't get 10 games in this season.
Correction to my previous statement, these guys can be held on affiliate rosters, but spots are limited for older players. Only two spots on the affiliate rosters for '97 born players like Garin. Six spots available for '98 born players.BP wrote:I think Will could legitimately leave for full season. Myles will play before and after. He is also going to play a year before going to Brown. Jackson, not sure. I could see him playing after the season. And a few in the fall too.The Exiled One wrote:Anybody have word on Will Garin (Holy Family), Myles Cunningham (Blake), or Jackson Cates (Stillwater)? They were all selected fairly early in the USHL draft.
Highly probable.WestMetro wrote:XO
I see you added Wait and Garin. Anything official? Or just your highly probable opinion?
No idea. I'll defer to Karl. The post-tryout rosters from the USHL are typically the big indicators of who's leaving early. The players with commitments are more prone to leaving early.WestMetro wrote:Have you got a short list you'd be willing to share of remaining "likely" early departures, even though you haven't yet put them on your latest departure list as "highly probable"
Actually, last year was a record year if you factor in all the kids who went from Achiever Academy to B.E. Emerson. If you don't count them, you could consider it a down year.WestMetro wrote:Also, your thoughts on the fairly dramatic declines in total early departures last year, and possibly again this year, in comparison to the recently preceding seasons?
Told you all this back in march. Edy will follow. LN will play in big game sat night next march in St. Paul.The Exiled One wrote:Max Johnson returning