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People wrote out Century two years ago because they were from 1aa and they happend to get 3rd in State and gave Roseau their toughest game of the tourny. I think South could do the same thing. They have a young and talented team and I agree their goaltending is their biggest flaw, and people may not know is that South has the second hardest schedule in the state behind Edina.
DasCondor to just say 1aa and 3aa are lucky their not in 2aa or 6aa because they would have eliminated by now is a joke! You can say that for every other section in the state!

Well, now that you've thrown 3AA under the bus why don't you just go ahead and start ripping on 8aa, once again is the difference that great? I'd love to see a tournament featuring the top 8 teams in the state but its never happened and likely never will. As a player in the 70's I recall Edina west with teams that were outstanding but couldn't get by Edina east in sections. I'm sure it goes back much further than that, this is the system we have..deal with it.

Roseauverrated wrote:

danglingnsnipen15 wrote:

Roseauverrated wrote:For the record, I don't play for Minnetonka, nor am I even from there. And it really is not that implausible to think Tonka's JV could make it to the final, the teams in 1AA are that bad. I think it's way more of an idiotic statement to say the section 1AA champion will play in the state final, like some people here are saying, than to say Tonka's JV could make the 1AA final. I can agree with you on the idiocy of Lakeviewing's posts though.

How can you say that the section 1 representative is not worthy when you've never even seen either of the lakeville teams play, let alone be able to make a judgement about either of them

Believe it or not, you can judge a team based on their scores from the 25+ games they've played this season. How do you think Karl and most other people do their rankings? Do they go to every game? Looking at the results, Lakeville South looks like a decent team, could get passed the first round in state if they get a lucky draw, all the other teams in 1AA are terrible and wouldn't stand a chance.

Then stop bashing 1AA if its representative is a "decent" team. why do you care what all the other teams are like? last time i checked they're not going to be playing in the tournament are they?

danglingnsnipen15 wrote:

Roseauverrated wrote:

danglingnsnipen15 wrote: How can you say that the section 1 representative is not worthy when you've never even seen either of the lakeville teams play, let alone be able to make a judgement about either of them

Believe it or not, you can judge a team based on their scores from the 25+ games they've played this season. How do you think Karl and most other people do their rankings? Do they go to every game? Looking at the results, Lakeville South looks like a decent team, could get passed the first round in state if they get a lucky draw, all the other teams in 1AA are terrible and wouldn't stand a chance.

Then stop bashing 1AA if its representative is a "decent" team. why do you care what all the other teams are like? last time i checked they're not going to be playing in the tournament are they?

Thank you Danglin! We need to keep putting this tool and the others like him in their place. Hopefully they will just move on and let us get back to discussing the players and the section final coming up.

curtiscurve wrote:

danglingnsnipen15 wrote:

Roseauverrated wrote: Believe it or not, you can judge a team based on their scores from the 25+ games they've played this season. How do you think Karl and most other people do their rankings? Do they go to every game? Looking at the results, Lakeville South looks like a decent team, could get passed the first round in state if they get a lucky draw, all the other teams in 1AA are terrible and wouldn't stand a chance.

Then stop bashing 1AA if its representative is a "decent" team. why do you care what all the other teams are like? last time i checked they're not going to be playing in the tournament are they?

Thank you Danglin! We need to keep putting this tool and the others like him in their place. Hopefully they will just move on and let us get back to discussing the players and the section final coming up.

If the argument is that section 1AA is one of the weaker sections I don't think there is much to argue about . South is an above average team this year with some decent wins. They have beaten teams they should beat, but they lost to the better teams in the Lake. They are capable of pulling off an upset at the X if they are taken lightly. Three years ago Century beat Hill Murray and I believe they finished the tournament in third place. There have been success stories that have come out of 1AA as well as some good players.

The objective of high school athletics is that everyone participates and that every school has the opportunity to be apart of all state tournaments. This is not NCAA or Professional sports. With everyone encouraged to participate, geography and cost become factors that must be considered while structuring these tournaments. In the end, we will only be able to tweak the current system at best. So lets not try to reinvent the state tournament. Besides, if the powers from 6AA and 2AA win their section then those winners are truly among the best in the state and the teams that did not win are not state champion worthy.

...and let us not forget what happened to Edina in 2009...that is why they play the game.

Im convinced Roseauverated had a bad run with someone or something to do with 1AA to have all this hositlity...

maybe one of the coaches had an affair with his mom?

maybe he was cut from one of these teams?

something I dont know...what else could explain the ridiculous hostility he has towards the section

The objective of high school athletics is that everyone participates and that every school has the opportunity to be apart of all state tournaments.


-I disagree with this. The state tournament is special. Not everyone gets to participate. But my issue is not about one weak section.

The problem is that the system ensures that half of the top ten teams will not be in the state tournament. By putting seven of the top ten teams into two section, it eliminates five top ten teams immediately. It also ensures that most teams in the state tournament will there without beating any top ten teams in the playoffs. The sections need more balance.

These top teams are not one hit wonders: EP, Wayzata, Edina, Jeff, Burnsville, Tonka, Holy Angels are all powerful hockey schools year after year. this shoudl be dealt with when sections are re-made this spring.

HomeBarkingDog wrote:Im convinced Roseauverated had a bad run with someone or something to do with 1AA to have all this hositlity...

maybe one of the coaches had an affair with his mom?

maybe he was cut from one of these teams?

something I dont know...what else could explain the ridiculous hostility he has towards the section

Or maybe I'm just tired every year of seeing the section 1AA team get outplayed and beaten at sate when teams like Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Jefferson, etc. are sitting at home.

Roseauverrated wrote:

HomeBarkingDog wrote:Im convinced Roseauverated had a bad run with someone or something to do with 1AA to have all this hositlity...

maybe one of the coaches had an affair with his mom?

maybe he was cut from one of these teams?

something I dont know...what else could explain the ridiculous hostility he has towards the section

Or maybe I'm just tired every year of seeing the section 1AA team get outplayed and beaten at sate when teams like Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Jefferson, etc. are sitting at home.

Its not like ur complaining is going to fix anything....its just the fact of the state tourny that youll have to get used to,,,,,,,,

Roseauverrated wrote:
Or maybe I'm just tired every year of seeing the section 1AA team get outplayed and beaten at sate when teams like Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Jefferson, etc. are sitting at home.

You're either a bit or an idiot.

This season Jefferson was 0-1-1 against Lakeville North, over the past 8 years teams like Wayzata, Jefferson, and Eagan have had worse finishes than 1AA, yet you trumpet them as being so good, why? Nothing they have done on the ice makes them any better than a 1AA team and again this season on the ice they have proved themselves no better. Oh and Apple Valley who just won 3AA split with South, maybe you need to bash them too.

The state tournament you watch in your head is far different than the one played in St. Paul.

goldy313 wrote:

Roseauverrated wrote:
Or maybe I'm just tired every year of seeing the section 1AA team get outplayed and beaten at sate when teams like Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Jefferson, etc. are sitting at home.

You're either a bit or an idiot.

This season Jefferson was 0-1-1 against Lakeville North, over the past 8 years teams like Wayzata, Jefferson, and Eagan have had worse finishes than 1AA, yet you trumpet them as being so good, why? Nothing they have done on the ice makes them any better than a 1AA team and again this season on the ice they have proved themselves no better. Oh and Apple Valley who just won 3AA split with South, maybe you need to bash them too.

The state tournament you watch in your head is far different than the one played in St. Paul.

Who won the game? South vs North?

Trojanhorse wrote:The objective of high school athletics is that everyone participates and that every school has the opportunity to be apart of all state tournaments.


-I disagree with this. The state tournament is special. Not everyone gets to participate. But my issue is not about one weak section.

The problem is that the system ensures that half of the top ten teams will not be in the state tournament. By putting seven of the top ten teams into two section, it eliminates five top ten teams immediately. It also ensures that most teams in the state tournament will there without beating any top ten teams in the playoffs. The sections need more balance.

These top teams are not one hit wonders: EP, Wayzata, Edina, Jeff, Burnsville, Tonka, Holy Angels are all powerful hockey schools year after year. this shoudl be dealt with when sections are re-made this spring.

School enrollments:
EP - 3079
Edina - 2364
Wayzata - 3091
Burnsville - 2794
Tonka - 2777
Jefferson - 1614

Every year people complain about the system being unfair. How about these schools doing the right thing like Lakeville and Rochester and split their schools so they have more reasonable enrollments? Jefferson is reasonable , but they pretty much get all the best players in Bloomington every year (Kennedy got beat by Dodge Cty this year for #*@st sake)While AHA recruits... eer I mean gets enrollment from all over the metro.
Lakevilles program seems to be getting stronger every year since they split. Why not these other cities? Is the underlying reason that they don't want to lose their competitive advantage in sports? Quit complaining. One of top teams almost always wins state every year anyway. If you can't beat the top team in your section you aren't going anywhere at state anyway.

I disagree with this. The state tournament is special. Not everyone gets to participate. But my issue is not about one weak section.

The problem is that the system ensures that half of the top ten teams will not be in the state tournament. By putting seven of the top ten teams into two section, it eliminates five top ten teams immediately. It also ensures that most teams in the state tournament will there without beating any top ten teams in the playoffs. The sections need more balance.

These top teams are not one hit wonders: EP, Wayzata, Edina, Jeff, Burnsville, Tonka, Holy Angels are all powerful hockey schools year after year. this shoudl be dealt with when sections are re-made this spring.

Now there is an original thought

Black Ice wrote:

Trojanhorse wrote:The objective of high school athletics is that everyone participates and that every school has the opportunity to be apart of all state tournaments.


-I disagree with this. The state tournament is special. Not everyone gets to participate. But my issue is not about one weak section.

The problem is that the system ensures that half of the top ten teams will not be in the state tournament. By putting seven of the top ten teams into two section, it eliminates five top ten teams immediately. It also ensures that most teams in the state tournament will there without beating any top ten teams in the playoffs. The sections need more balance.

These top teams are not one hit wonders: EP, Wayzata, Edina, Jeff, Burnsville, Tonka, Holy Angels are all powerful hockey schools year after year. this shoudl be dealt with when sections are re-made this spring.

School enrollments:
EP - 3079
Edina - 2364
Wayzata - 3091
Burnsville - 2794
Tonka - 2777
Jefferson - 1614

Every year people complain about the system being unfair. How about these schools doing the right thing like Lakeville and Rochester and split their schools so they have more reasonable enrollments? Jefferson is reasonable , but they pretty much get all the best players in Bloomington every year (Kennedy got beat by Dodge Cty this year for #*@st sake)While AHA recruits... eer I mean gets enrollment from all over the metro.
Lakevilles program seems to be getting stronger every year since they split. Why not these other cities? Is the underlying reason that they don't want to lose their competitive advantage in sports? Quit complaining. One of top teams almost always wins state every year anyway. If you can't beat the top team in your section you aren't going anywhere at state anyway.

I like this post. Very, very true.

northwoods oldtimer wrote:

I disagree with this. The state tournament is special. Not everyone gets to participate. But my issue is not about one weak section.

The problem is that the system ensures that half of the top ten teams will not be in the state tournament. By putting seven of the top ten teams into two section, it eliminates five top ten teams immediately. It also ensures that most teams in the state tournament will there without beating any top ten teams in the playoffs. The sections need more balance.

These top teams are not one hit wonders: EP, Wayzata, Edina, Jeff, Burnsville, Tonka, Holy Angels are all powerful hockey schools year after year. this shoudl be dealt with when sections are re-made this spring.

Now there is an original thought

You're getting some very good mileage out of that emoticon. I may have to start using it too.

karl(east) wrote:

northwoods oldtimer wrote:

I disagree with this. The state tournament is special. Not everyone gets to participate. But my issue is not about one weak section.

The problem is that the system ensures that half of the top ten teams will not be in the state tournament. By putting seven of the top ten teams into two section, it eliminates five top ten teams immediately. It also ensures that most teams in the state tournament will there without beating any top ten teams in the playoffs. The sections need more balance.

These top teams are not one hit wonders: EP, Wayzata, Edina, Jeff, Burnsville, Tonka, Holy Angels are all powerful hockey schools year after year. this shoudl be dealt with when sections are re-made this spring.

Now there is an original thought

You're getting some very good mileage out of that emoticon. I may have to start using it too.

here's a few of my favorites:

Nodak Sioux wrote:People wrote out Century two years ago because they were from 1aa and they happend to get 3rd in State and gave Roseau their toughest game of the tourny. I think South could do the same thing. They have a young and talented team and I agree their goaltending is their biggest flaw, and people may not know is that South has the second hardest schedule in the state behind Edina.
DasCondor to just say 1aa and 3aa are lucky their not in 2aa or 6aa because they would have eliminated by now is a joke! You can say that for every other section in the state!

They play the toughest schedule in 1AA but not the second hardest in the state. check out
http://myhockeyrankings.com/view_2009_r ... &a=1&v=701

it has a ranking for how tough the schedule is.

codemanh wrote:

Nodak Sioux wrote:People wrote out Century two years ago because they were from 1aa and they happend to get 3rd in State and gave Roseau their toughest game of the tourny. I think South could do the same thing. They have a young and talented team and I agree their goaltending is their biggest flaw, and people may not know is that South has the second hardest schedule in the state behind Edina.
DasCondor to just say 1aa and 3aa are lucky their not in 2aa or 6aa because they would have eliminated by now is a joke! You can say that for every other section in the state!

They play the toughest schedule in 1AA but not the second hardest in the state. check out
http://myhockeyrankings.com/view_2009_r ... &a=1&v=701

it has a ranking for how tough the schedule is.

suprising all the 6aa and 2aa teams have the hardest schedules ... and moorhead

Roseauverrated wrote:

HomeBarkingDog wrote:Im convinced Roseauverated had a bad run with someone or something to do with 1AA to have all this hositlity...

maybe one of the coaches had an affair with his mom?

maybe he was cut from one of these teams?

something I dont know...what else could explain the ridiculous hostility he has towards the section

Or maybe I'm just tired every year of seeing the section 1AA team get outplayed and beaten at sate when teams like Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Jefferson, etc. are sitting at home.

Maybe they shouldnt have lost then!

codemanh wrote:

Nodak Sioux wrote:People wrote out Century two years ago because they were from 1aa and they happend to get 3rd in State and gave Roseau their toughest game of the tourny. I think South could do the same thing. They have a young and talented team and I agree their goaltending is their biggest flaw, and people may not know is that South has the second hardest schedule in the state behind Edina.
DasCondor to just say 1aa and 3aa are lucky their not in 2aa or 6aa because they would have eliminated by now is a joke! You can say that for every other section in the state!

They play the toughest schedule in 1AA but not the second hardest in the state. check out
http://myhockeyrankings.com/view_2009_r ... &a=1&v=701

it has a ranking for how tough the schedule is.

Minnhock has them a little different.
http://www.minnhock.com/strength.htm

Nodak Sioux wrote:

codemanh wrote:

Nodak Sioux wrote:People wrote out Century two years ago because they were from 1aa and they happend to get 3rd in State and gave Roseau their toughest game of the tourny. I think South could do the same thing. They have a young and talented team and I agree their goaltending is their biggest flaw, and people may not know is that South has the second hardest schedule in the state behind Edina.
DasCondor to just say 1aa and 3aa are lucky their not in 2aa or 6aa because they would have eliminated by now is a joke! You can say that for every other section in the state!

They play the toughest schedule in 1AA but not the second hardest in the state. check out
http://myhockeyrankings.com/view_2009_r ... &a=1&v=701

it has a ranking for how tough the schedule is.

Minnhock has them a little different.
http://www.minnhock.com/strength.htm

look when this was last updated 1/7/10 vs the first link 3/3/10
not sure how much it would change and how both sites figure out their rank of strength of schedule

i do like seeing roseau at 45 on the second one though

is this game on internet radio or anything like that where i can get a status update at work?

Prediction:

South 2-0