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urban iceman wrote:

PWD10 wrote:

Just an observation...if your association doesn't field an "A" level team and your "B1" boys happen to be at the top of the heap of the "B1" world, do you get to run your mouth like you're something special??? OR
did your assocation/District screw up and put you at the wrong level because the top end of your team isn't getting challenged at all??

Like I said, just an observation...

This might change with the intro of an at large A team in D10.

I concur though that B1 team organizations need to step it up or move them to a district that will allow larger organizations with A teams to play a more competitive season. Maybe combine districts at playing level up until playoffs.

19 orgs in D10 and only 8 fielding A teams at the Bantam level. IMO even the ones that aren't doing very well are still a welcome sight as at least they are in spirit and effort making the effort and you can't fault that. Howerver coincidentally with 6 out of the 8 teams in the top 20 in MYHockey rankings maybe those numbers scare the smaller orgs and they are safer playing down.

Then again maybe MH allowing a limited number of B1/A games and at all levels might help with sorting these kind of things out. IE Bantam B2/B1 U10A/B etc. I would hope this was at the beginning of the season before all the scheduling was done so they could be accomdated in if they so chose to play at a higher level then what they planned

New Prague was relegated to play B1 after moving from D4 to D6 and then the HS coach took 4 of the Bantam players to varsity. They still petitioned to play in BA tourney's but were turned down so it has been tried!

New Prague Bantam B1 is playing exactly where they belong and are certainly not at the top of the heap...they got crushed by OMGHA Crimson.

Do they have any wins against top 10 teams?

IMHO, alot of associations have no business fielding an A team and most associations field B1 teams that should truthfully play B2.
If you look at scores of the games played by Edina, OMGHA, Wayzata etc... most of their games are blowouts. it isnt uncommon for Edina White or OMGHA Crimson to beat teams by 10-15 goals.

Not a huge hockey guy, but scores like that cant be good for either team.

Maybe rather than trying to determine whether your association should have x amount of "A" teams or x amount of "B1" and "B2" teams long before they have any clue how competitive they will be, they should form their teams in september based on the player rankings...1-15,16-30, etc. (Call them by a different color so the kids dont know which one is which...hahahaha)
Then as each team plays throughout October and November they earn their status as an "A" - "B1" - "B2" ranking and then play out the remainder of the season at their achieved level.

It would sure solve any discussions of this type and avoid alot of the blowout games. It might also give the whiners who thought they should have been on an "A" team the ability to prove themselves differently

Not a huge hockey guy, but

Thanks Suzanne

observer wrote:

Not a huge hockey guy, but

Thanks Suzanne

...not a big Slapshot fan are ya?

suzannehanrahan wrote:

urban iceman wrote:

PWD10 wrote: This might change with the intro of an at large A team in D10.

I concur though that B1 team organizations need to step it up or move them to a district that will allow larger organizations with A teams to play a more competitive season. Maybe combine districts at playing level up until playoffs.

19 orgs in D10 and only 8 fielding A teams at the Bantam level. IMO even the ones that aren't doing very well are still a welcome sight as at least they are in spirit and effort making the effort and you can't fault that. Howerver coincidentally with 6 out of the 8 teams in the top 20 in MYHockey rankings maybe those numbers scare the smaller orgs and they are safer playing down.

Then again maybe MH allowing a limited number of B1/A games and at all levels might help with sorting these kind of things out. IE Bantam B2/B1 U10A/B etc. I would hope this was at the beginning of the season before all the scheduling was done so they could be accomdated in if they so chose to play at a higher level then what they planned

New Prague was relegated to play B1 after moving from D4 to D6 and then the HS coach took 4 of the Bantam players to varsity. They still petitioned to play in BA tourney's but were turned down so it has been tried!

New Prague Bantam B1 is playing exactly where they belong and are certainly not at the top of the heap...they got crushed by OMGHA Crimson.

Do they have any wins against top 10 teams?

IMHO, alot of associations have no business fielding an A team and most associations field B1 teams that should truthfully play B2.
If you look at scores of the games played by Edina, OMGHA, Wayzata etc... most of their games are blowouts. it isnt uncommon for Edina White or OMGHA Crimson to beat teams by 10-15 goals.

Not a huge hockey guy, but scores like that cant be good for either team.

Maybe rather than trying to determine whether your association should have x amount of "A" teams or x amount of "B1" and "B2" teams long before they have any clue how competitive they will be, they should form their teams in september based on the player rankings...1-15,16-30, etc. (Call them by a different color so the kids dont know which one is which...hahahaha)
Then as each team plays throughout October and November they earn their status as an "A" - "B1" - "B2" ranking and then play out the remainder of the season at their achieved level.

It would sure solve any discussions of this type and avoid alot of the blowout games. It might also give the whiners who thought they should have been on an "A" team the ability to prove themselves differently

Seeing how you're not much of a hockey guy you must not pay too much attention to scores and highlights that this thread provides. New Prague played the OMG Crimson in the championship game of the Head of the Lakes tourney and played them pretty even eventually losing 5-2 including an empty net goal. They have also defeated top 10 teams Minnetonka,Eden Prairie, Chisago lakes and a host of other top 20 ranked teams. Not blowing their horn for them but feel I needed to straighten you out before you re-invent the wheel!!!

quote]Seeing how you're not much of a hockey guy you must not pay too much attention to scores and highlights that this thread provides. New Prague played the OMG Crimson in the championship game of the Head of the Lakes tourney and played them pretty even eventually losing 5-2 including an empty net goal. They have also defeated top 10 teams Minnetonka,Eden Prairie, Chisago lakes and a host of other top 20 ranked teams. Not blowing their horn for them but feel I needed to straighten you out before you re-invent the wheel!!![/quote]

ok..well lets look at some current New Prague scores from games played against the current top 10 teams (my orginal question) - taken from LPH rankings:

EDINA WHITE
OMGHA Crimson
Edina Green
Wayzata Blue
Minnetonka
Eden Prairie
Elk River Black
New Prague
Chisago Lakes
Woodbury Black

Edina Green 9, New Prague 1 (ouch...Crimson just pounded green 6-2)
New Prague 2, Eden Prairie 1
Osseo/Maple Grove Crimson 5, New Prague 2
Eden Prairie 3, New Prague 1
Eden Prairie 2, New Prague 2

1-3-1 aginst top 10? Only win by 1 goal?

What were the scores of the Minnetonka and Chisago Lakes games?
I may be missing some...so feel free to add to this list. Not trying to start a war here, just trying to see the facts.


To argue the OMGHA crimson game, I watched part of it (Did not know the 5th was an open netter) I thought at best one line that could outmatch Crimson 3rd line and little or no true game skills.
New Prague did however seem to have a very good goalie.

Shots appeared to have been way in the favor of OMGHA...Could anyone confirm?

IMHO, alot of associations have no business fielding an A team

I'm not seeing anything H about your O. Are you my 'favorite' poster?

suzannehanrahan wrote:quote]Seeing how you're not much of a hockey guy you must not pay too much attention to scores and highlights that this thread provides. New Prague played the OMG Crimson in the championship game of the Head of the Lakes tourney and played them pretty even eventually losing 5-2 including an empty net goal. They have also defeated top 10 teams Minnetonka,Eden Prairie, Chisago lakes and a host of other top 20 ranked teams. Not blowing their horn for them but feel I needed to straighten you out before you re-invent the wheel!!!

ok..well lets look at some current New Prague scores from games played against the current top 10 teams (my orginal question) - taken from LPH rankings:

EDINA WHITE
OMGHA Crimson
Edina Green
Wayzata Blue
Minnetonka
Eden Prairie
Elk River Black
New Prague
Chisago Lakes
Woodbury Black

Edina Green 9, New Prague 1 (ouch...Crimson just pounded green 6-2)
New Prague 2, Eden Prairie 1
Osseo/Maple Grove Crimson 5, New Prague 2
Eden Prairie 3, New Prague 1
Eden Prairie 2, New Prague 2

1-3-1 aginst top 10? Only win by 1 goal?

What were the scores of the Minnetonka and Chisago Lakes games?
I may be missing some...so feel free to add to this list. Not trying to start a war here, just trying to see the facts.


To argue the OMGHA crimson game, I watched part of it (Did not know the 5th was an open netter) I thought at best one line that could outmatch Crimson 3rd line and little or no true game skills.
New Prague did however seem to have a very good goalie.

Shots appeared to have been way in the favor of OMGHA...Could anyone confirm?[/quote]NP-5 Chisago-2
NP-6 Minnetonka-1
I beg to differ on your view of the OMG Crimson game, it was pretty even with a edge to the crimson. I know its hard to accept the fact that a smaller assoc. can hang a little bit with the big assoc.s, Excuse me - 2 (combined) associations that should probably field two BA teams anyway!!

suzannehanrahan wrote:quote]Seeing how you're not much of a hockey guy you must not pay too much attention to scores and highlights that this thread provides. New Prague played the OMG Crimson in the championship game of the Head of the Lakes tourney and played them pretty even eventually losing 5-2 including an empty net goal. They have also defeated top 10 teams Minnetonka,Eden Prairie, Chisago lakes and a host of other top 20 ranked teams. Not blowing their horn for them but feel I needed to straighten you out before you re-invent the wheel!!!

ok..well lets look at some current New Prague scores from games played against the current top 10 teams (my orginal question) - taken from LPH rankings:

EDINA WHITE
OMGHA Crimson
Edina Green
Wayzata Blue
Minnetonka
Eden Prairie
Elk River Black
New Prague
Chisago Lakes
Woodbury Black

Edina Green 9, New Prague 1 (ouch...Crimson just pounded green 6-2)
New Prague 2, Eden Prairie 1
Osseo/Maple Grove Crimson 5, New Prague 2
Eden Prairie 3, New Prague 1
Eden Prairie 2, New Prague 2

1-3-1 aginst top 10? Only win by 1 goal?

What were the scores of the Minnetonka and Chisago Lakes games?
I may be missing some...so feel free to add to this list. Not trying to start a war here, just trying to see the facts.


To argue the OMGHA crimson game, I watched part of it (Did not know the 5th was an open netter) I thought at best one line that could outmatch Crimson 3rd line and little or no true game skills.
New Prague did however seem to have a very good goalie.

Shots appeared to have been way in the favor of OMGHA...Could anyone confirm?[/quote]OH yeah, without trying to appear to be making excuses but for your benefit the New Prague squad was missing the top line and the starting goalie against Edina Green who is an excellent team that could beat most BA teams. First time they played NP I believe the score was a closer 4-0 back in Nov.

Edina White 5
Blaine Blue 3

Good even game with no forfeit

Grand Rapids Tournament last weekend

Grand Rapids 2
Chaska/Chan 1

OMG Crimson 13
Brainerd 0

Edina Green 12
Moorhead 1

Chisago Lakes 5
St Louis Park 1

OMG 16
Grand Rapids 1

Edina Green 9
Chisago Lakes 0

St Louis Park 5
Moorhead 1

Brainerd 6
Chaska/ Chan 4

St Louis Park 6
Brainerd 0

OMG Crimson 6
Edina Green 2

Chisago Lakes 14
Grand Rapids 0

Moorhead 6
Chaska/Chan 2

New Prague-3
M-Westonka-2

St Louis Park 2
OMG Crimson 2

so when is the BB1 scrimmage between St Louis Park and New Prague going to happen?

maybe their A teams can scrimmage too and get a little rivalry going?

I believe that SLP sends it's "A" kids to the Mpls/Park coop - perhaps last year. If your point is to rip these programs for not having an A team, then you're comparing Apples to Oranges. SLP has every intention of going it alone once they have the numbers to do so, and they do have an A team - it's just combined with SW for this year.

SLP has a strong bantam class across the board this season. Their A level team is currently top ten. the b1 is ranked also.

kopernicus wrote:so when is the BB1 scrimmage between St Louis Park and New Prague going to happen?

maybe their A teams can scrimmage too and get a little rivalry going?

They did play in early Jan. NP-2 SLP-1

kopernicus wrote:SLP has a strong bantam class across the board this season. Their A level team is currently top ten. the b1 is ranked also.

Yes but the A team you refer to is a coop - not just SLP kids. There are a number of Mpls kids on the team. I'm not sure of the split.

New Prague-2
Edina White-2

St Louis Park 2
Crow River 0

St Louis Park 3
Wayzata Gold 2

Here are the scores from last weekends tourney in Moorhead.

Friday Opening Games

Moorhead 8
Grand Forks Raiders 3

Centennial 7
Duluth East 2

Wayzata 11
White Bear Lake 1

Roseville 7
Andover 6 Shoot out

Edina White 6
Fargo Flyers 3

Elk River Black 12
Grand Rapids 1

Blaine 3
Minnetonka 2

Eden Prairie 7
Blake 0

Saturday Wild Div. Games (Friday Winners Bracket)

Centennial 4
Moorhead 2

Edina White 7
Elk River Black 4
Great Game 2 empty netters

Wayzata 6
Roseville 3

Blaine 2
Eden Prairie 1

Wild Semi's Saturday Night

Wayzata 6
Centennial 5

Edina 11
Blaine 2

Wild Consolation Semi's Saturday Night

Roseville 7
Moorhead 1

Elk River 6
Eden Prairie 3

Sunday Wild Games

7th place game

Eden Prairie 6
Moorhead 4

Consolation game

Elk River 7
Roseville 1

3rd Place game

Centennial 8
Blaine 4

Championship Game

Edina White 4
Wayzata 1

Saturday Red Wing Division Games (Friday Losers)

Duluth East 5
Grand Forks 1

White Bear Lake 3
Andover 1

Fargo Flyers 10
Grand Rapids 0

Minnetonka 8
Blaine 0

Saturday Night Semi's

Duluth East 4
White Bear Lake 1

Minnetonka 5
Fargo Flyers 1

Saturday Night Consolation Semi's

Andover 5
Grand Forks 3

Blake 4
Grand Rapids 2

Sun Red Wing Games

7th Place Game

Grand Forks 10
Grand Rapids 3

Consolation Championship

Andover 5
Blake 3

3rd Place Game

White Bear Lake 5
Fargo Flyers 2

Championship

Minnetonka 8
Duluth East 1

I would just like to say what a great tourney Moorhead put on. There were some great games to watch. Reffing was good, and the announcer with the golden voice was awesome.

Thank you MYH for putting on a great tournament!!!!!

Moorhead tourney was great. 17 min. periods. Zam every 2 periods. I wish more tourney's would have longer periods and a Zam going every 2 periods.

District playoffs right around the corner.

Johnson/como 1 woodbury black 1
Johnson /comO 0 chisago lakes 0
Johnson/como 4 des moines 1
Johnson/como 9 orono 0
Johnson /como 4 albet lea 2

ahastars03 wrote:Moorhead tourney was great. 17 min. periods. Zam every 2 periods. I wish more tourney's would have longer periods and a Zam going every 2 periods.

District playoffs right around the corner.

I heard they had 12-13 year olds reffing the squirt A & B tourneys ... I'm assuming your experience was different.

the refs in the games I was a part of where at the young side of things in their 20's. they did a good job in my mind as they let the kids play a little more then they would in some of the games in the cities. Not sure if everyone would say the same about the refs but I thought they did a fine job. 2 min pen. instead of 1.5 was a little different for this year, you forget so fast how that extra 30 seconds makes a big difference.