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Sats81 you kill me,

The former coach at North not only held his team back but now he also held a team he didn't even coach back? You can't make it up.

Wow, your hatred for everything Lakeville high schools have done or can do is striking.

goldy313 wrote:Sats81 you kill me,

The former coach at North not only held his team back but now he also held a team he didn't even coach back? You can't make it up.

Wow, your hatred for everything Lakeville high schools have done or can do is striking.

You got that right Goldy!

Sats, no one said they are deep. No one said they're a top 5 team or even top 10. And of course their fortunes will rise and fall with how their top player fares - which team's wouldn't? Alex benefits from playing with Justin?? - No kidding! and maybe not quite to the same extent, but it goes both ways you know!

All I'm saying is the Lakeville bashing gets real old and I'm just pointing out that it's not like Kloos is carrying a team of misfits. All the seniors on that squad are solid. Many will play beyond HS. It isn't a shabby bunch of underclassmen either. I haven't heard about any other phenoms coming up through their association recently so they may drop off a bit over the next few years. Will that be the coach's fault? Don't bother answering that. I really don't care what you think.

Why don't you work on Burnsville for a while? They got hammered tonight.

goldy313 wrote:Sats81 you kill me,

The former coach at North not only held his team back but now he also held a team he didn't even coach back? You can't make it up.

Wow, your hatred for everything Lakeville high schools have done or can do is striking.

Enlighten me as to how the former coach of LN has held this years team back. This is almost the exact same team as they had last year?

(but somehow they don't even make "Happy's" "teams to watch list")?!

With the slow start I neglected to put them as a team to watch, but after the last couple of games they will for sure be a team to watch, in fact the WBL game coupled with the poor showing of Bemidji lately may likely get them in the Top Twenty.

cooper26 wrote:

goldy313 wrote:Sats81 you kill me,

The former coach at North not only held his team back but now he also held a team he didn't even coach back? You can't make it up.

Wow, your hatred for everything Lakeville high schools have done or can do is striking.

You got that right Goldy!

Sats, no one said they are deep. No one said they're a top 5 team or even top 10. And of course their fortunes will rise and fall with how their top player fares - which team's wouldn't? Alex benefits from playing with Justin?? - No kidding! and maybe not quite to the same extent, but it goes both ways you know!

All I'm saying is the Lakeville bashing gets real old and I'm just pointing out that it's not like Kloos is carrying a team of misfits. All the seniors on that squad are solid. Many will play beyond HS. It isn't a shabby bunch of underclassmen either. I haven't heard about any other phenoms coming up through their association recently so they may drop off a bit over the next few years. Will that be the coach's fault? Don't bother answering that. I really don't care what you think.

Why don't you work on Burnsville for a while? They got hammered tonight.

All the seniors on that squad are solid. Many will play beyond HS.
Ya...it is called Men's League!

Defensive Zone wrote: Ya...it is called Men's League!

You are like really funny! You aren't demonstrating a whole lot of smarts though.

goldy313 wrote:Sats81 you kill me,

The former coach at North not only held his team back but now he also held a team he didn't even coach back? You can't make it up.

Wow, your hatred for everything Lakeville high schools have done or can do is striking.

Goldy-not sure how you are getting out of my posts that the former LN coach is holding LS back? Hatred for Lakeville schools? Just calling it how I see it. Merry X-mas big guy.

cooper26 wrote:

goldy313 wrote:Sats81 you kill me,

The former coach at North not only held his team back but now he also held a team he didn't even coach back? You can't make it up.

Wow, your hatred for everything Lakeville high schools have done or can do is striking.

You got that right Goldy!

Sats, no one said they are deep. No one said they're a top 5 team or even top 10. And of course their fortunes will rise and fall with how their top player fares - which team's wouldn't? Alex benefits from playing with Justin?? - No kidding! and maybe not quite to the same extent, but it goes both ways you know!

All I'm saying is the Lakeville bashing gets real old and I'm just pointing out that it's not like Kloos is carrying a team of misfits. All the seniors on that squad are solid. Many will play beyond HS. It isn't a shabby bunch of underclassmen either. I haven't heard about any other phenoms coming up through their association recently so they may drop off a bit over the next few years. Will that be the coach's fault? Don't bother answering that. I really don't care what you think.

Why don't you work on Burnsville for a while? They got hammered tonight.

Cooper-your name has unofficially been changed to Einstein26 for now. From now on, I will refer to you as Einstein26. I wasn't bashing LS. I was simply stating that without Kloos the team is in trouble. This was proven by Edina AND Eagan. Both teams did a nice job isolating him and there was no one else to step up. The Eagan game despite the score, was a completely 1-sided affair and in my opinion Eagan is a far superior team. I asked you in a previous post who other than Alex Harvey on LS does anything? You respond with a vague response that: "All the seniors on that squad are solid. Many will play beyond HS." I am asking you who other than Kloos and maybe Harvey? If Kloos fails to put up numbers or is isolated by another team they lose. Every time. Tie up Randolphs line at DE and they will still find a way to win because they come at you with 2 other solid lines. Isolate the Zajac line at Eagan and their 2nd line will pick up some slack. Minnetonka, same thing with the Leteirri line. LS has 1 line. Period. Shut them down and they lose. Period. Look at the few games last year that Kloos didn't score. Twice against Eagan, Once against LN. Result? All losses. A good TEAM doesn't lose a game because of one player. Take Randolph, Tominato or Olson off of DE at anytime and they still win. Case in point, Olson hasn't played yet and DE is still rolling everyone. Take any of Tonkas top guys off team, they will still find a way to win. Same with Eagan and BSM and so on. I think LS will win 15-20 games this year, but without Kloos they would struggle to be a top 4 team in the South Suburban. Einstein26-don't get so riled up brother! Its HS hockey for goodness sake! Merry X-mas

In response to who does anything other than kloos, I believe Keepyourheadup mention Freemark, #6. Had he not broke his ankle last year, which really hindered his entire season, he likely would have had the opportunity to play in the elite league, and if he were a little bit taller this kid would be in everyone's conversation as one of the best d-men in the state. He is a phenomenal skater, and when he is moving the puck quickly a great asset to Kloos. If you watch closely, often times it is Freemark who sets Kloos up with those break out passes when Kloos is moving full speed. As I said before, if he were 5 11 and not 5 8 he would be getting actively recruited by everyone.

longdistancespectator8 wrote:In response to who does anything other than kloos, I believe Keepyourheadup mention Freemark, #6. Had he not broke his ankle last year, which really hindered his entire season, he likely would have had the opportunity to play in the elite league, and if he were a little bit taller this kid would be in everyone's conversation as one of the best d-men in the state. He is a phenomenal skater, and when he is moving the puck quickly a great asset to Kloos. If you watch closely, often times it is Freemark who sets Kloos up with those break out passes when Kloos is moving full speed. As I said before, if he were 5 11 and not 5 8 he would be getting actively recruited by everyone.

He is a solid player. Makes an nice initial first pass out of the zone. LS had a good d-man last yr Brevigg (sp)? I believe. Anyone know what he ended up doing?

Some perspective from someone on the outside looking in:
(I don't follow southern hockey too much, especially at the AA level)

I have to point out that Lakeview South is basically playing in its 6th year as a program. A state tournament appearance, three section finals, and being tagged as the #1 seed in their section in 3 of the first 5 years is a VERY successful start to a program. And if it had not been for one goaltender, they could very well have been at St. Paul two, if not three, more times. There are probably well over 100 other programs who would love to have this on their resume.

Reading some of the statements like "historically" they can't close out their section, or many of the others in this thread just floors me. A) They don't have any real history - they are too new; and B) The pastures don't get much greener than they already are with the success they've had -- especially as a recent start up! There are only a very select few programs that win their section on a regular basis. Even the likes of Duluth East bows out to Cloquet, Grand Rapids, and others in section play more often than they win it. I think the expectations some have here are just a bit unrealistic.

Anyone who thinks these are signs of a struggling program should have their nipples clamped with jumper cables to a car battery while its still in the car and have someone crank the engine.

PuckRanger wrote:Some perspective from someone on the outside looking in:
(I don't follow southern hockey too much, especially at the AA level)

I have to point out that Lakeview South is basically playing in its 6th year as a program. A state tournament appearance, three section finals, and being tagged as the #1 seed in their section in 3 of the first 5 years is a VERY successful start to a program. And if it had not been for one goaltender, they could very well have been at St. Paul two, if not three, more times. There are probably well over 100 other programs who would love to have this on their resume.

Reading some of the statements like "historically" they can't close out their section, or many of the others in this thread just floors me. A) They don't have any real history - they are too new; and B) The pastures don't get much greener than they already are with the success they've had -- especially as a recent start up! There are only a very select few programs that win their section on a regular basis. Even the likes of Duluth East bows out to Cloquet, Grand Rapids, and others in section play more often than they win it. I think the expectations some have here are just a bit unrealistic.

Anyone who thinks these are signs of a struggling program should have their nipples clamped with jumper cables to a car battery while its still in the car and have someone crank the engine.

Well said. The people of this community should be happy with the success they have had especially in the last 6+ years instead of always complaining or firing coaches for no reason. South has a great opportunity to bring some hardware back to Lakeville just like North did last year. Hopefully the coach won't be on the chopping block if they do like the others were in lakeville.

Drew Brevig is playing for Sioux Fallsin the USHL

keepyourheadup wrote:Drew Brevig is playing for Sioux Fallsin the USHL

How is he doing?

Can't really answer that, he's played in most of their games but has not put up many points. Very few defensemen put up big numbers in the USHL.

Jimbo99 wrote:

Defensive Zone wrote: Ya...it is called Men's League!

You are like really funny! You aren't demonstrating a whole lot of smarts though.

Sorry Jimbo, I could not help it!

cooper26 wrote:

goldy313 wrote:Sats81 you kill me,

The former coach at North not only held his team back but now he also held a team he didn't even coach back? You can't make it up.

Wow, your hatred for everything Lakeville high schools have done or can do is striking.

You got that right Goldy!

Sats, no one said they are deep. No one said they're a top 5 team or even top 10. And of course their fortunes will rise and fall with how their top player fares - which team's wouldn't? Alex benefits from playing with Justin?? - No kidding! and maybe not quite to the same extent, but it goes both ways you know!

All I'm saying is the Lakeville bashing gets real old and I'm just pointing out that it's not like Kloos is carrying a team of misfits. All the seniors on that squad are solid. Many will play beyond HS. It isn't a shabby bunch of underclassmen either. I haven't heard about any other phenoms coming up through their association recently so they may drop off a bit over the next few years. Will that be the coach's fault? Don't bother answering that. I really don't care what you think.

Why don't you work on Burnsville for a while? They got hammered tonight.

Cooper, you are right on the solid part. But I have to disagree with the statement about many of the seniors will play beyond HS. Looking at the 8 seniors, there are only 1-2 players (Harvey, Kloos) that have a legitimate chance to play any post HS hockey (junior program, D3, D1). The rest will move on (college, job, etc.)

I know for a fact that at least one more has generated interest from not only jr. programs but d1 schools as well.

keepyourheadup wrote:I know for a fact that at least one more has generated interest from not only jr. programs but d1 schools as well.

Who?

#6

Both of their senior captain D, Freemark and Heller, are very good players.

I would say "solid" is exactly the right term to describe the rest of the team. Of course Kloos runs the show, he is a phenom, but its not like the moment he steps off the ice LS gets dominated. They are still a very solid team behind him, obviously not nearly as talented with the puck but they are role players that you need on every team(I personally wouldn't go as far as saying they will play beyond high school however). And yes, the great hypothetical statement of the sports world.. "If you shut down the best player on the other team than you have a good chance of winning".. It can be said about any team in any sport.. but what happens much more often than not? The best player(s) lead the team to a victory. Why? Because no matter the game plan the best players find a way to get the job done. So, lets say LS rides it's best player(s) to 18-20 win season and a state tournament berth.. Is that a bad season? If I was still in highschool I know I would take it! I don't think anyone hear is saying they will win state.. and I personally don't think they have enough depth to do so but when you have maybe the best player in the state surrounded by a couple other really good players (Harvey, Freemark, Lauderdale) and some good role players.. you have a chance to upset anyone.

I think Puck Ranger hit the nail on the head.. I think some people (myself included) are getting a little tired of hearing "What's wrong with Lakeville?" and getting zero respect for what they have done the past 5+ years since they split into 2 schools(especially South). Had they stayed 1 super school like EP, Edina or Minnetonka they would of for sure competed for the state title the last couple years and probably won at least one with how much talent they have had between the 2 schools. The way it is, they have done pretty darn good for themselves all things considering..

keepyourheadup wrote:#6

Maybe or maybe not. He will have to grow a little (size). To me, he is one of those solid players at this time. I still would have him on my team!

[quote="observer"]Both of their senior captain D, Freemark and Heller, are very good players.[/quote]

Heller and at least one other have some D3 schools very interested.

In your apparent need to hammer on Lakeville, you guys are selling these players short. It's really not fair to them.

They only way they win state as one school is if Skeji, Arentz, Lindgren, Osterberg, Kloos, Harvey, etc, stay. RickyTicky, that is irrelevant though as it can't happen. You all are going waaaaayyyyyy overboard here. I simply stated LS goes nowhere without Kloos and also believe that other than Harvey not 1 guy on the current LS team plays hockey beyond club or beer league. Generating interest vs actually committing and signing with a D1 school are 2 entirely diff things. Ok, maybe 1 or 2 play D3. (Sure this will get some fired up reactions from some LS dads on the site) Personally, after watching Harvey I feel he would be much better off playing D3 anyway.