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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:57 am
by O-townClown
BadgerBob82 wrote:I also know a guy that moved from the Detroit area. His explaination of the private AAA/Tier 1 programs in the Detroit area sounds like a nightmare.
Too many progressives?

Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:06 pm
by MrBoDangles
BadgerBob82 wrote:BlackHawkFan: I am not shooting you down. But I would ask if you could explain your point of view? How old are you hockey player kids? Do you have one of more kids in hockey? Are they all elite level players? I assume you are doing private AAA hockey after "winter" association hockey? Do you think there is an "off-season" in hockey? Do you believe kids should be training during the "off-season" or should they be on the ice 12 months a year?

My only experience with private winter hockey AAA or Tier 1 programs is the WI FIRE. (Except the tournaments that had AAA/Tier 1 teams that my kids played in) I didn't think the FIRE model did much for the kids I knew that played there. They were all decent players before they went, and were decent players when they returned. None leap-frogged other decent players that remained in association hockey. But having a team with a very narrow talent range (meaning all were similarly good player) creates a good team. But the question is, does that equate to better development?

I also know a guy that moved from the Detroit area. His explaination of the private AAA/Tier 1 programs in the Detroit area sounds like a nightmare. But after watching an episode of "Dance Mom's" last night, I can see the similarities of parents of young "elite" hockey players.
Some of the Fire teams got less from their seasons than many of the MN community based teams. Pounding the same team(Gamblers, Capitols) four times in a weekend does very little for development. The also played a very small schedule when compared to other Tier 1 teams.

Options are still needed though for the standouts in miniature associations.

Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:11 pm
by Velocity3
MrBoDangles wrote:
BadgerBob82 wrote:BlackHawkFan: I am not shooting you down. But I would ask if you could explain your point of view? How old are you hockey player kids? Do you have one of more kids in hockey? Are they all elite level players? I assume you are doing private AAA hockey after "winter" association hockey? Do you think there is an "off-season" in hockey? Do you believe kids should be training during the "off-season" or should they be on the ice 12 months a year?

My only experience with private winter hockey AAA or Tier 1 programs is the WI FIRE. (Except the tournaments that had AAA/Tier 1 teams that my kids played in) I didn't think the FIRE model did much for the kids I knew that played there. They were all decent players before they went, and were decent players when they returned. None leap-frogged other decent players that remained in association hockey. But having a team with a very narrow talent range (meaning all were similarly good player) creates a good team. But the question is, does that equate to better development?

I also know a guy that moved from the Detroit area. His explaination of the private AAA/Tier 1 programs in the Detroit area sounds like a nightmare. But after watching an episode of "Dance Mom's" last night, I can see the similarities of parents of young "elite" hockey players.
Some of the Fire teams got less from their seasons than many of the MN community based teams. Pounding the same team(Gamblers, Capitols) four times in a weekend does very little for development. The also played a very small schedule when compared to other Tier 1 teams.

Options are still needed though for the standouts in miniature associations.

I thought games were the "measuring stick" or the opportunity to test what a team got out of the development from practices. My understanding was that the Fire invested a lot of time on development during practices and that it did set the players apart from community based players. Anyone from the Fire want to comment?

Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:24 pm
by Velocity3
MrBoDangles wrote:
BadgerBob82 wrote:BlackHawkFan: I am not shooting you down. But I would ask if you could explain your point of view? How old are you hockey player kids? Do you have one of more kids in hockey? Are they all elite level players? I assume you are doing private AAA hockey after "winter" association hockey? Do you think there is an "off-season" in hockey? Do you believe kids should be training during the "off-season" or should they be on the ice 12 months a year?

My only experience with private winter hockey AAA or Tier 1 programs is the WI FIRE. (Except the tournaments that had AAA/Tier 1 teams that my kids played in) I didn't think the FIRE model did much for the kids I knew that played there. They were all decent players before they went, and were decent players when they returned. None leap-frogged other decent players that remained in association hockey. But having a team with a very narrow talent range (meaning all were similarly good player) creates a good team. But the question is, does that equate to better development?

I also know a guy that moved from the Detroit area. His explaination of the private AAA/Tier 1 programs in the Detroit area sounds like a nightmare. But after watching an episode of "Dance Mom's" last night, I can see the similarities of parents of young "elite" hockey players.
Some of the Fire teams got less from their seasons than many of the MN community based teams. Pounding the same team(Gamblers, Capitols) four times in a weekend does very little for development. The also played a very small schedule when compared to other Tier 1 teams.

Options are still needed though for the standouts in miniature associations.
In looking at the Fire website, it appears that teams did play a small schedule of between 45 and 55 games against teams ranging from Green Bay to CSKA moscow, to Shattuck St. Mary's

HMMMM

WHY MN should seperate from USA HOCKEY and govern itself

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:52 pm
by PuckSense10
Here are some reason to think about (leaving USA Hockey):

My fist point is really the only main point needed - MN does not follow the structure of most states (Club Hockey) - if you have a club team that wants to play other Club teams in other states then your Team should join USA Hockey. If your team plays MN Association Hockey, then a MN governing body is all that should be needed.

1 - MN players play in the MN State tournament - not a National Tournament
2 - Hockey in Mn is a primary sport - not the case in most states.
3 - Hockey is usaully from a local community - not a team from all over the US.
4 - MN has been and currently is the top producer of college and pro hockey players, other than a few other states (MI, MA...etc): hockey development most likely is an issue and a challenge.


USA Hockey - Its mission is to promote the growth of hockey in America and provide the best possible experience for all participants by encouraging, developing, advancing and administering the sport.

MN is the standard and one the primary benchmarks for hockey development and participation. I do not think I have ever seen how USA Hockey helps promote the growth of hockey in Minnesota.