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Note to Krach guru:

Rosemount is not in section 2AA

blueblood wrote:Note to Krach guru:

Rosemount is not in section 2AA

Good catch. I see that now at:
http://mshsl.org/mshsl/competitiveSections.asp

Thanks!

Another quick place to look:

http://www.minnesota-scores.net./classs ... 09&class=3

MNHockeyFan wrote:Another quick place to look:

http://www.minnesota-scores.net./classs ... 09&class=3

Thanks for the link - I should do a quick check using this just to be sure I didn't miss anything else...

Updated 01/10 AM

Updated 01/11 AM

These Krock ratings are mystifying??
Please explain for example how Princeton would be ranked 31 spots higher than Eden Praire in any poll or ranked ahead of teams like Blaine, wow. And once again EGF that high. Teams in the metro's strength of schedule must not be considered.

alcloseshaver wrote:These Krock ratings are mystifying??
Please explain for example how Princeton would be ranked 31 spots higher than Eden Praire in any poll or ranked ahead of teams like Blaine, wow. And once again EGF that high. Teams in the metro's strength of schedule must not be considered.

That's computer rankings for you. Tartan, East Grand Forks in the top 10 - wha???? Another reason ranking teams at this point in the season is for fun and discussion only. I'll take the human rankings any time, especially when pounded out in conjunction with the computer. Rankings absolutely need a dose of subjectivity attached to them.

alcloseshaver wrote:These Krock ratings are mystifying??
Please explain for example how Princeton would be ranked 31 spots higher than Eden Praire in any poll or ranked ahead of teams like Blaine, wow. And once again EGF that high. Teams in the metro's strength of schedule must not be considered.

EP is a .500 team right now against a top 20 SOS.

Princeton is 11-2 against about #80 SOS.

Without getting into opponents, etc. - it may be easier for you to understand (yet disagree with) this example that points out how KRACH works to some degree:

Tartan has two losses and they probably came against Hill and STA (guessing here). Why is Tartan ranked so high? That's why - they won all their games except against two pretty darn good teams. We can get into the score diff in those games, etc. - but KRACH doesn't look at that, or injuries, or recent winning streaks, or...

Bottom line - until Princeton and Tartan lose to weaker teams, they will be ranked as they are by KRACH. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

mnmouth wrote:

alcloseshaver wrote:These Krock ratings are mystifying??
Please explain for example how Princeton would be ranked 31 spots higher than Eden Praire in any poll or ranked ahead of teams like Blaine, wow. And once again EGF that high. Teams in the metro's strength of schedule must not be considered.

That's computer rankings for you. Tartan, East Grand Forks in the top 10 - wha???? Another reason ranking teams at this point in the season is for fun and discussion only. I'll take the human rankings any time, especially when pounded out in conjunction with the computer. Rankings absolutely need a dose of subjectivity attached to them.

Exactly! Couldn't agree more.

These ranking are missing a ton of games. It says EGF is 7-0-1, yet in reality they are 12-0-2, and Lourdes is missing 3 games, and I'm guessing there are many more that need to be updated.

I like to look at these rankings but it would be nice if they were fully updated.

Simply put overall record is wieghted more importantly. I will take it for what it is worth. We all know that a team like Princeton would get throttled by most AA teams. I looked at the updated QRF and would be a better tool to help the coaches. Prove it on the ice as they say.

rainier wrote:These ranking are missing a ton of games. It says EGF is 7-0-1, yet in reality they are 12-0-2, and Lourdes is missing 3 games, and I'm guessing there are many more that need to be updated.

I like to look at these rankings but it would be nice if they were fully updated.

The KRACH rankings only count MSHSL opponent games. That's the reason for many missing games for EGF.

alcloseshaver wrote:Simply put overall record is wieghted more importantly. I will take it for what it is worth. We all know that a team like Princeton would get throttled by most AA teams. I looked at the updated QRF and would be a better tool to help the coaches. Prove it on the ice as they say.

I disagree on QRF as a blanket statement. It too has its opportunities IMHO.

I like to look at both, in conjunction with other computer rankings out there, and then factor in the human polls (LPH, some great ones posted on here, etc.).

I also realize that it's all for entertainment as it will be decided on the ice where it should be - not by a computer or human poll, etc.

Updated 01/18 AM

Updated 01/19 AM

Other rankings for comparison that I'm aware of (in no particular order)...

Computer:
(Overall & by Class)
http://www.ushsho.com/mnrank.htm
(Overall)
http://www.minnhock.com/pagestat.htm
(Overall)
http://minnesota-scores.net/classqrf.ph ... 9&class=-2
(Class AA)
http://minnesota-scores.net/classqrf.ph ... 09&class=3
(Class A)
http://minnesota-scores.net/classqrf.ph ... 09&class=2
???OTHERS???

Human:
(by Class)
http://letsplayhockey.com/latest-rankin ... chool.html
(Class A)
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30157
(Class AA)
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30156
???OTHERS???

I don't mind the QRF within a class but it is still a joke when comparing multiple classes together.

ghshockeyfan wrote:???OTHERS???

http://www.mnhockeyrankings.com/

HShockeywatcher wrote:I don't mind the QRF within a class but it is still a joke when comparing multiple classes together.

ghshockeyfan wrote:???OTHERS???

http://www.mnhockeyrankings.com/

I think KRACH has some opportunities in that same area based on what I see so far and some of the expert human comments made to-date.

Thanks for the link! - I wasn't aware of the site.

Here's another:
http://www.minnesota-high-school-hockey.blogspot.com/

Updated 01/20 AM

Updated 01/22 AM

ghshockeyfan wrote:Updated 01/22 AM

Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/b/KRACH_OA.htm

Can we still use the excuse that the model lacks the amount of data necessary to avoid questionable rankings?

I can't think of any other reason why anyone (human or computer) might think that either Tartan or Rochester Lourdes are better teams than Blaine, Centennial, Grand Rapids, Burnsville, Prior Lake, Holy Family, Jefferson and CEC.

I'm guessing it's because when you have only lost 2 games all year and those are against the #1 team in AA and #1 team in A and you've taken care of business against everyone else on your schedule, eventually the rankings catch up and you end up towards the top.

The reality is that a 12-2 team should be ranked higher than a 7-6 team, just because that 7-6 team plays in a self touted top conference.

You two are correct and that is the age old debate.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out with Tartan and others on the ice.