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I know I've seen the number before, but now I can't find it anywhere. Can anyone tell me what the magic number is for enrollment to decide whether a school is class A or AA?

See http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/news/method07-09.htm.

There isn't a magical enrollment size in terms of number of students .... basically, the 64 largest participating schools are AA and the rest are A.

What I don't remember is how teams playing up affects this. I think they effectively bump the smallest AA school(s) down into single A.

I think its top 64 PLUS opt ups. Theres more than 8 teams in most AA sections.

I think its the top 64 plus opt ups.

The reason I think that is because there are more than 8 teams in some sections and a minimum of 8 per section.

Shakespeare.

PanthersIn2011 wrote:See http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/news/method07-09.htm.

There isn't a magical enrollment size in terms of number of students .... basically, the 64 largest participating schools are AA and the rest are A.

What I don't remember is how teams playing up affects this. I think they effectively bump the smallest AA school(s) down into single A.

No school is bumped down to A. It is the top 64 teams PLUS opt up schools. There are 71 teams in AA according to the section assignments on followthepuck.com

1AA = 9
2AA = 8
3AA = 9
4AA = 9
5AA = 9
6AA = 9
7AA = 9
8AA = 9

Here is a different link to the MSHSL that has enrollment

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/news/2007-08enrollclass.asp

They look for the 64th-largest program (not schools, they also use coop programs in the top 64) and then set the cutoff at that number. Then, they add opt-ups. A school that opts up must commit to the higher class for a minimum of four years.

Once they set the number, some paired programs choose to split up. Delano/Rockford/Watertown split up two years ago or they would have been in AA, and this year New Prague dropped Montgomery from their program. When the league first announced the new sections, New Prague/Montgomery-Lonsdale had been placed in Class AA.

School population (9-12) of 1360 or more is AA hockey program plus those that opt up.
All others are A.

opt ups
Duluth East 1222 pop.
Grand Rapids 1049
Benilde 873
AHA 862
Hill 861
Cloquet 632 co-oped at 1208 with Esko and Carlton, thus, CEC.
Roseau 410.

I believe these are the 7 opt uppers.

Add Cretin at 1308.

Bemidji is 1255 but not the largest single A.

elliott70 wrote:Bemidji is 1255 but not the largest single A.

There's a pre-emptive post if I ever saw one!

Neutron 14 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:Bemidji is 1255 but not the largest single A.

There's a pre-emptive post if I ever saw one!

C.Y.A.

I also have Cretin at 1319 which would make 8 opt ups.

???

BIAFP wrote:

Neutron 14 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:Bemidji is 1255 but not the largest single A.

There's a pre-emptive post if I ever saw one!

C.Y.A.

Alex is at 1278, so they are a lot bigger!

Only one more year after this one.

You guys are good and fast. Thank you very much!

elliott70 wrote:opt ups
Duluth East 1222 pop.
Grand Rapids 1049
Benilde 873
AHA 862
Hill 861
Cloquet 632
Roseau 410.

I believe these are the 7 opt uppers.

CDH 984

RoseauWarrior wrote:You guys are good and fast.

We might be fast but...

Neutron 14 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:opt ups
Duluth East 1222 pop.
Grand Rapids 1049
Benilde 873
AHA 862
Hill 861
Cloquet 632
Roseau 410.

I believe these are the 7 opt uppers.

CDH 984

The MSHSL site shows 9-12 pop. at 1300+.
But either way thats 8 opt ups.
Where is the count off?????

Cretin-Derham Hall High School 1319

I had 05 numbers....

Hockey, Boys
AA 3099-1360
A 1359-1

hockeydad wrote:A school that opts up must commit to the higher class for a minimum of four years.

Are you sure about that? I thought I remember a post about Bemidji deciding to play A hockey for the next two years. During that time, they were going to reasses where the program was and possibly opt up again.

Elliott, whats the story?

Is there a link to a list of the schools and their number of students?

RLStars wrote:

hockeydad wrote:A school that opts up must commit to the higher class for a minimum of four years.

Are you sure about that? I thought I remember a post about Bemidji deciding to play A hockey for the next two years. During that time, they were going to reasses where the program was and possibly opt up again.

Elliott, whats the story?

I also thought it was only a two year commitment.

RLStars wrote:

hockeydad wrote:A school that opts up must commit to the higher class for a minimum of four years.

Are you sure about that? I thought I remember a post about Bemidji deciding to play A hockey for the next two years. During that time, they were going to reasses where the program was and possibly opt up again.

Elliott, whats the story?

Bemidji decided not to opt up but to stay put.
In two years the MSHSL will reevaluate everything (including section alignments). At that time Bemidji school population (based on curretn #'s) may push them to AA. If not it is the feeling of those involved that thye would opt up to AA. Opting up I believe is a four year committment.

Edit:
I double checked my rule book. It is a four year opt up.
Every two years, a recalculation.

elliott70 wrote:opt ups
Duluth East 1222 pop.
Grand Rapids 1049
Benilde 873
AHA 862
Hill 861
Cloquet 632
Roseau 410.

I believe these are the 7 opt uppers.

not to be a stickler but it is Cloquet 632, Esko 369, Carlton 207 for a total enrollment of 1208 in 9-12
I know it is still an opt up, but far from David vs Goliath