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Lets see if Size of the association played in this year.

District 8

Bantam A = Rochester 1 and Eagan
Bantam B = Woodbury and Eagan
Peewee A = Woodbury and Eagan
Peewee B = Eagan and Lakeville South Gold

Sure looks like size matters as these are the 4 biggest in D8. I think if Lakevilles bantam teams hadn't lost so many players to St Thomas they would have another team or 2 in A-B bantams.

District 12
Bantam A- Virginia, I Falls, Grand Rapids
Bantam B- I Falls, Grand Rapids, Ely
Pee-Wee A- Grand Rapids, I Falls, Hibbing
Pee-Wee B- Grand Rapids, Hibbing, Greenway

District 2
Bantam A -White Bear Lake, Stillwater and Roseville
Bantam B - White Bear Black,White Bear Orange and Stillwater
Peewee A - North ST Paul, White Bear Lake and Roseville
Peewee B- White Bear Orange, White Bear Black and Stillwater

D1 had 6 Bantam A teams playing for 3 spots in Regionals
D8 had 14 bantam A teams teams playing for 2

D1 had 9 bantam B for 3 spots
D8 had 17 for 2 spots

D1 had 6 peewee A for 3 spots
D8 had 15 for 2

D1 had 7 peewee B for 3 spots
D8 had 17 for 2 spots


MN Hockey get it right, make the Districts roughly the same size. End this nonsense. Some of the other Districts are messed up too D4 getting 3 spots is just as big of a joke.

D1 had 6 Bantam A teams playing for 3 spots in Regionals
D8 had 14 bantam A teams teams playing for 2

D1 had 9 bantam B for 3 spots
D8 had 17 for 2 spots

D1 had 6 peewee A for 3 spots
D8 had 15 for 2

D1 had 7 peewee B for 3 spots
D8 had 17 for 2 spots

Wow.

D1 had 6 Bantam A teams playing for 3 spots in Regionals
D8 had 14 bantam A teams teams playing for 2

D1 had 9 bantam B for 3 spots
D8 had 17 for 2 spots (including STA)

D1 had 6 peewee A for 3 spots
D8 had 15 for 2

D1 had 7 peewee B for 3 spots
D8 had 17 for 2 spots

netminder.net wrote:D1 had 6 Bantam A teams playing for 3 spots in Regionals
D8 had 14 bantam A teams teams playing for 2

D1 had 9 bantam B for 3 spots
D8 had 17 for 2 spots (including STA)

D1 had 6 peewee A for 3 spots
D8 had 15 for 2

D1 had 7 peewee B for 3 spots
D8 had 17 for 2 spots

Good point.

The 3 spots rotate to different districts each year. What I am hearing here is that maybe district 8 should put some of there teams in district 1 since they have so many , but everyone knows Rankness does not want any part of that. Up until this year district 1 gave one of there spots away but than some people bit-hed about that to saying they never get an easy bracket.

They just started rotating last year. D1 gets 50% of it's A bantam teams in yet they wouldn't even be top 10 in D8. Even out the districts so coming regionals and tourney time the best are playing the best. There shouldn't be any easy games from here on out. And having 3 D1 teams and 3 D4 teams means there will be and I am not even mentioning the northern teams.

Basically you are saying that if you aren't from D6, 8, or 10, why bother playing.

If you can't beat them in Districts you probably aren't going to beat them in Regions, you just saved yourself 2 weeks of inevitability by stoping after districts.

I just noticed that I wasted my 100th post yelling at you pucknutz. I'm sure you feel special.

egf hockey1 wrote:Basically you are saying that if you aren't from D6, 8, or 10, why bother playing.

If you can't beat them in Districts you probably aren't going to beat them in Regions, you just saved yourself 2 weeks of inevitability by stoping after districts.

I guess we will wait a couple weeks and see.

egf hockey1 wrote:Basically you are saying that if you aren't from D6, 8, or 10, why bother playing.

If you can't beat them in Districts you probably aren't going to beat them in Regions, you just saved yourself 2 weeks of inevitability by stoping after districts.

I think the best way to pick Regional teams would be with the MN Hockey Rankings and take the top 32 teams.

That way you ensure you get top teams not ones that got in because they play in a weak district but smoked by everyone outside.

You have some top teams (Apple Valley, etc) sitting home while teams ranked 50+ (not even debatable that far from the cutoff of 32) are playing.

Bronc wrote:

egf hockey1 wrote:Basically you are saying that if you aren't from D6, 8, or 10, why bother playing.

If you can't beat them in Districts you probably aren't going to beat them in Regions, you just saved yourself 2 weeks of inevitability by stoping after districts.

I think the best way to pick Regional teams would be with the MN Hockey Rankings and take the top 32 teams.

That way you ensure you get top teams not ones that got in because they play in a weak district but smoked by everyone outside.

You have some top teams (Apple Valley, etc) sitting home while teams ranked 50+ (not even debatable that far from the cutoff of 32) are playing.

MN Hockey has rankings?? Where are they? Are the accurate?

past 10 years

Peewee A
D6 - 6 winners
D3- 1
D11 - 1
D10 - 1
D2 - 2

Peewee B has only been around for 3 years so I put winners and runnerup.
D3- 3 (all Wayzata)
D6 - makes up the other 3

Past 10 years
Bantam A
D6 - 4 winners
D10 - 2
D2 - 1
D3 - 1
D15 - 1
D8 - 1

So I guess yes you are right. Also funny how they are all the big associations. Edina, WBL, EP, Wayzata, Centennial and Bloomington Jefferson.

Bronc wrote:

egf hockey1 wrote:Basically you are saying that if you aren't from D6, 8, or 10, why bother playing.

If you can't beat them in Districts you probably aren't going to beat them in Regions, you just saved yourself 2 weeks of inevitability by stoping after districts.

I think the best way to pick Regional teams would be with the MN Hockey Rankings and take the top 32 teams.

That way you ensure you get top teams not ones that got in because they play in a weak district but smoked by everyone outside.

You have some top teams (Apple Valley, etc) sitting home while teams ranked 50+ (not even debatable that far from the cutoff of 32) are playing.

And ah how do you suppose you are going to pick the top 32 in the state? It's not the easiest thing to do.

Mac15 wrote:

Bronc wrote:

egf hockey1 wrote:Basically you are saying that if you aren't from D6, 8, or 10, why bother playing.

If you can't beat them in Districts you probably aren't going to beat them in Regions, you just saved yourself 2 weeks of inevitability by stoping after districts.

I think the best way to pick Regional teams would be with the MN Hockey Rankings and take the top 32 teams.

That way you ensure you get top teams not ones that got in because they play in a weak district but smoked by everyone outside.

You have some top teams (Apple Valley, etc) sitting home while teams ranked 50+ (not even debatable that far from the cutoff of 32) are playing.

MN Hockey has rankings?? Where are they? Are the accurate?

It is not run by Minnesota Hockey (don't think so), but a pretty good web site for A PW & A Bant with a nice mathematical formula MNhockeyrankings.com.

cajones18 wrote:

Bronc wrote:

egf hockey1 wrote:Basically you are saying that if you aren't from D6, 8, or 10, why bother playing.

If you can't beat them in Districts you probably aren't going to beat them in Regions, you just saved yourself 2 weeks of inevitability by stoping after districts.

I think the best way to pick Regional teams would be with the MN Hockey Rankings and take the top 32 teams.

That way you ensure you get top teams not ones that got in because they play in a weak district but smoked by everyone outside.

You have some top teams (Apple Valley, etc) sitting home while teams ranked 50+ (not even debatable that far from the cutoff of 32) are playing.

And ah how do you suppose you are going to pick the top 32 in the state? It's not the easiest thing to do.

I agree it would be difficult. The algorythm that mnhockeyrankings.com uses is pretty close. I would think that and a smell test from LHP Rankings would be a good chk as well, but realize it won't be that easy.

But without a doubt the top teams play each other or like opponents throughout the year and with the equaltion in place it appears to me they have them picked pretty close.

I would still have a District tournament and maybe give your tournament winner an auto bid (I would be willing to guess 99% of the time will be ranked in the top 32) and then fill it from there with the rankings.

There isn't 1 team from D1 or D4 ranked in the top 20 for Peewee B. Yet they have 6 teams representing them in Regionals. As a matter of fact I don't either has a team ranked in Bantam A-B or Peewee A-B levels. It is a gigger joke that D1 has 6 teams and half get to go.

Pucknutz69 wrote:There isn't 1 team from D1 or D4 ranked in the top 20 for Peewee B. Yet they have 6 teams representing them in Regionals. As a matter of fact I don't either has a team ranked in Bantam A-B or Peewee A-B levels. It is a gigger joke that D1 has 6 teams and half get to go.

For PW A 13 of the 32 teams in Regions are outside of the top 32 by mnhockeyrankings.com (40%). Even if you said Fairbault and Hopkins are close enough (38 & 36 respectively) still 33% in there or another way to look at it is Regions only represents 66% of our states best teams.

Even if the district is weak they need a rep but you are right. I am from D10 and we can send only 2 in PeeWee B1 and all others. I would put our 4th and 5th place teams up against any from D1 or D4 and they would do well I think.

Bronc wrote:

Pucknutz69 wrote:There isn't 1 team from D1 or D4 ranked in the top 20 for Peewee B. Yet they have 6 teams representing them in Regionals. As a matter of fact I don't either has a team ranked in Bantam A-B or Peewee A-B levels. It is a gigger joke that D1 has 6 teams and half get to go.

For PW A 13 of the 32 teams in Regions are outside of the top 32 by mnhockeyrankings.com (40%). Even if you said Fairbault and Hopkins are close enough (38 & 36 respectively) still 33% in there or another way to look at it is Regions only represents 66% of our states best teams.

And who can you trust to rank the teams. Right now it is some what of a joke. I have seen teams in the top 20 that flat out should not be any where close B1 Peewee mostly.

Bronc wrote:

cajones18 wrote:

Bronc wrote: I think the best way to pick Regional teams would be with the MN Hockey Rankings and take the top 32 teams.

That way you ensure you get top teams not ones that got in because they play in a weak district but smoked by everyone outside.

You have some top teams (Apple Valley, etc) sitting home while teams ranked 50+ (not even debatable that far from the cutoff of 32) are playing.

And ah how do you suppose you are going to pick the top 32 in the state? It's not the easiest thing to do.

I agree it would be difficult. The algorythm that mnhockeyrankings.com uses is pretty close. I would think that and a smell test from LHP Rankings would be a good chk as well, but realize it won't be that easy.

But without a doubt the top teams play each other or like opponents throughout the year and with the equaltion in place it appears to me they have them picked pretty close.

I would still have a District tournament and maybe give your tournament winner an auto bid (I would be willing to guess 99% of the time will be ranked in the top 32) and then fill it from there with the rankings.

I think you just take District 2, District 3, District 6 and District 10 and let them have there own tournament since they are all better than everyone else. It was not always like that before everyone had to move to the suburbs to keep up with the Jones's. Even today I get home from work in the city in 5 minutes no stress and am cooking on the grill by my pool while people in the Burb's are still entering our excellent highway system. If people don't want certain districts involved that's fine just don't think you will collect any monies from them. Minnesota Hockey and USA Hockey will have to collect more from the people in the burbs which already complain about cost. In final let beautiful people stay with the beautiful people and let the slugs stay with the slugs. Ain't America great.

tunavichy wrote:I think you just take District 2, District 3, District 6 and District 10 and let them have there own tournament since they are all better than everyone else. It was not always like that before everyone had to move to the suburbs to keep up with the Jones's. Even today I get home from work in the city in 5 minutes no stress and am cooking on the grill by my pool while people in the Burb's are still entering our excellent highway system. If people don't want certain districts involved that's fine just don't think you will collect any monies from them. Minnesota Hockey and USA Hockey will have to collect more from the people in the burbs which already complain about cost. In final let beautiful people stay with the beautiful people and let the slugs stay with the slugs. Ain't America great.

Last I looked Little Falls, Roseau, East Grand Forks, Cloquet weren't in the middle of the metro and have very good teams and seem to accomplish it often. As do many other teams and towns to numerous to mention and it goes in cycles even in the metro.

The state tournament to me is about two things:

1) Representation of the entire state - Winner of each District Tournament (the regular season win gets the #1 seed in their tournament to get the well deserved easier path).

2) The best teams competing for the top prize.

No more no less.

I think if you have as many as 8-10 teams at a level the state or district should require you to field multiple A teams. And if you have three or more teams inhouse included you should have an A team. To many cities skate their teams at the B1 level as to make the parents happy, but it is not good for the kids in the long run. Look at the strength of the Wayzata Edina Maple Grove Etc teams dont tell me it wouldnt be better to have more of their B1 teams skating at the A level. Most of those teams are second year players anyway. Hoe is this for a can of worms Two Tiers for youth hockey?