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How far away are we from having an all-Parochial high school sports league in Minnesota?

We have our Districts and this would be one by itself..Hill Murray-Cretin-St Thomas-Breck-Blake-Shattuck St Mary's-St C C-Providence-Benilde, etc...

Any chance that ever happens?

Been there done that.

Give it a rest

It is amazing how some people can come up with what they think are "new" ideas, when the same ideas have failed in the not so distant past.

We had two leagues before 1975, but only "mythical" champions.

In fact, the Pioneer Press used to call the #1 rated team, "Mythical State Hockey Champions."

#1 rated Hill would bounce #2 rated Edina in a "secret scrimmage" in the Seventies right before the Hornets would go on to win a no-Catholics-allowed MSHSL tourney. Duluth Cathedral would do much the same to the northern MSHSL champs of the Sixties.

By the early Seventies, scouts and sportswriters were applying the word "mythical" to the MSHSL tourney, too. The MSHSL had no choice but to give Hill-Murray its own section to keep up the tourney's credibility and prevent upsetting folks in the already more established sections (prior to Hill-Murray, section #3 had been used only for giving northern runners-up another chance to get in).

Try to get rid of the Catholics and again the public tourney will be labeled "mythical."

pistol wrote:It is amazing how some people can come up with what they think are "new" ideas, when the same ideas have failed in the not so distant past.

We had two leagues before 1975, but only "mythical" champions.

In fact, the Pioneer Press used to call the #1 rated team, "Mythical State Hockey Champions."

#1 rated Hill would bounce #2 rated Edina in a "secret scrimmage" in the Seventies right before the Hornets would go on to win a no-Catholics-allowed MSHSL tourney. Duluth Cathedral would do much the same to the northern MSHSL champs of the Sixties.

By the early Seventies, scouts and sportswriters were applying the word "mythical" to the MSHSL tourney, too. The MSHSL had no choice but to give Hill-Murray its own section to keep up the tourney's credibility and prevent upsetting folks in the already more established sections (prior to Hill-Murray, section #3 had been used only for giving northern runners-up another chance to get in).

Try to get rid of the Catholics and again the public tourney will be labeled "mythical."

Or "refreshing". Take your pick.

Lee

or just plain real deal holyfield...sorry you've caught me hammered on Jack...truth comes out..

Are you serious Pistol, 1975???? ....1975 was a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. Sometimes looking to the past and developing a fresh perspective to correlate to current times with some retooling = success

In todays high school sports market, a parochial league makes sense..today, as in 2008, not waaaaaay back in 1975 when lets face it, life was a whole lot different.

jancze5 wrote:In todays high school sports market, a parochial league makes sense..today, as in 2008, not waaaaaay back in 1975 when lets face it, life was a whole lot different.

Why do you think having a separate league would make more sense now than it did in 1975?

jancze5 wrote:How far away are we from having an all-Parochial high school sports league in Minnesota?

We have our Districts and this would be one by itself..Hill Murray-Cretin-St Thomas-Breck-Blake-Shattuck St Mary's-St C C-Providence-Benilde, etc...

Any chance that ever happens?

I would love to see an all-Parochial Conference. What a great confernce schedule that would be. WOW!

When conference play is complete, place them in thier approiate sections for state tounament play offs.

pistol wrote:It is amazing how some people can come up with what they think are "new" ideas, when the same ideas have failed in the not so distant past.

We had two leagues before 1975, but only "mythical" champions.

In fact, the Pioneer Press used to call the #1 rated team, "Mythical State Hockey Champions."

#1 rated Hill would bounce #2 rated Edina in a "secret scrimmage" in the Seventies right before the Hornets would go on to win a no-Catholics-allowed MSHSL tourney. Duluth Cathedral would do much the same to the northern MSHSL champs of the Sixties.

By the early Seventies, scouts and sportswriters were applying the word "mythical" to the MSHSL tourney, too. The MSHSL had no choice but to give Hill-Murray its own section to keep up the tourney's credibility and prevent upsetting folks in the already more established sections (prior to Hill-Murray, section #3 had been used only for giving northern runners-up another chance to get in).

Try to get rid of the Catholics and again the public tourney will be labeled "mythical."

But could then be termed "Ethical"...

Pistol, a piece of "humble pie" may be in order... We have all heard enough of the "mythical" Catholic Hockey History, time to move on... yawn...

jancze5: I don't think reverting to an old idea, especially this idea would fly today either. Parochial schools are entrenched in today's MSHSL very fiber, and they add a very valuable piece educationally and atheletically for our young scholar/athletes...

The problem is and always will be the flawed contention that the High School League's primary focus is to even out competitive sports. In fact, the prime directive is to allow kids to participate in sports. You guys worry too much about who wins and who loses. What matters is kids play, stay out of trouble and maybe learn something along the way. The league won't ever mandate all the private schools in one conference because it doesn't accomplish anything other than quieting the fringe critics. Conferences are primarily based on geography first and school size second. This won't be changing any time soon. So while it is fun to speculate on what you think would be a great overhaul of conferences and sections, this doesn't lead to anything applicable in the real world. You may go back to pretending now...

jancze5 wrote:Are you serious Pistol, 1975???? ....1975 was a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. Sometimes looking to the past and developing a fresh perspective to correlate to current times with some retooling = success

In todays high school sports market, a parochial league makes sense..today, as in 2008, not waaaaaay back in 1975 when lets face it, life was a whole lot different.

HS Sports market? Hmmm.................

Definition: The concept of a market is any structure that allows buyers and sellers to exchange any goods, services and information.

High School sports doesn't quite fit into that definition. Maybe thats the problem, to many people think it does.

With regards to private schools, there are those that believe, "If ya can't beat em, boot em." There are those that believe, "If you can't beat em, join em." Then there are those that believe, "If you can't beat em, try harder." I just enjoy the fact that private schools evoke so many different thoughts & feelings from so many people.

Pioneerprideguy wrote:With regards to private schools, there are those that believe, "If ya can't beat em, boot em." There are those that believe, "If you can't beat em, join em." Then there are those that believe, "If you can't beat em, try harder." I just enjoy the fact that private schools evoke so many different thoughts & feelings from so many people.

Like this one " Who Cares"

I am just happy the private schools lower themselves to play the public schools. With their high standards academically and extracurricularly it probably has a negative effect on their development to play a public school.

[quote="ACTUALFORMERPLAYER"]I am just happy the private schools lower themselves to play the public schools. With their high standards academically and extracurricularly it probably has a negative effect on their development to play a public school. [/quote]

sideways wrote:

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:I am just happy the private schools lower themselves to play the public schools. With their high standards academically and extracurricularly it probably has a negative effect on their development to play a public school.

Someone else recently said that too

Can't Never Tried wrote:

sideways wrote:

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:I am just happy the private schools lower themselves to play the public schools. With their high standards academically and extracurricularly it probably has a negative effect on their development to play a public school.

Someone else recently said that too

You can say that again.

1974

You really want to go back to the way things were in 1974?

Two high school leagues; energy crisis; long gas lines; inflation; people wanting change so badly that they were willing to try any stupid idea... "Hey, I'm tired of getting my refreshments from the fridge. Let's try what's in those bottles under the sink for a change."

You want 1974? Here's what it was really like:

Edina went undefeated, winning the MSHSL tourney, never having faced the three best players in the state.

Why?

Because the the top scouting prospects were all playing in the State Independent Hockey Tournament:

1. Rob Larson of STA
2. Kevin Nugent of Hill-Murray
3. Dan Hoene of Duluth Cathedral

My eye in the sky tells me you don't know anything about hockey or the Seventies. Where do you get your information? From Ankles Pierre, Jr.?

My eye in the sky checked all the MSHSL records and Ross Bernstein's books, and there is no record of any Rob Larson.

Who said Rob Larson was the best Minnesota high school hockey prospect in 1974?

Herb Brooks

pistol wrote:Herb Brooks

And then there was silence!

Don Riley wrote:My eye in the sky tells me you don't know anything about hockey or the Seventies. Where do you get your information? From Ankles Pierre, Jr.?

My eye in the sky checked all the MSHSL records and Ross Bernstein's books, and there is no record of any Rob Larson.

Who said Rob Larson was the best Minnesota high school hockey prospect in 1974?

Being that they were not members of the MSHSL at the time, no surprise that there was no record of them there.

Don Riley wrote:My eye in the sky tells me you don't know anything about hockey or the Seventies. Where do you get your information? From Ankles Pierre, Jr.?

My eye in the sky checked all the MSHSL records and Ross Bernstein's books, and there is no record of any Rob Larson.

Who said Rob Larson was the best Minnesota high school hockey prospect in 1974?

This was smooth pistol. Well done.