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Univ of Wisconsin recruits 14 Yr old from Chicago Mission

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:32 pm
by crossovers8
Came across this in a Wisconsin paper. I thought it was a joke at first.

14-year-old Jordan Schmaltz, a defenseman from Verona WI who plays for the Chicago Mission AAA program has committed to the Badgers. He is believed to be the youngest recruit in WCHA history. Wow :shock:


Link:

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/column/baggot/301799


Has anyone watched this kid play?

Re: Univ of Wisconsin recruits 14 Yr old from Chicago Missio

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:59 pm
by tomASS
crossovers8 wrote:Came across this in a Wisconsin paper. I thought it was a joke at first.

14-year-old Jordan Schmaltz, a defenseman from Verona WI who plays for the Chicago Mission AAA program has committed to the Badgers. He is believed to be the youngest recruit in WCHA history. Wow :shock:


Link:

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/column/baggot/301799


Has anyone watched this kid play?

I didn't think they still had papers in WI since hardly anyone can read :wink:

Wasn't Peter Mueller in 8th grade when he committed to the U of M, chose a different path though, but he would have been around the same age eh?

Re: Univ of Wisconsin recruits 14 Yr old from Chicago Missio

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:02 pm
by muckandgrind
tomASS wrote:
crossovers8 wrote:Came across this in a Wisconsin paper. I thought it was a joke at first.

14-year-old Jordan Schmaltz, a defenseman from Verona WI who plays for the Chicago Mission AAA program has committed to the Badgers. He is believed to be the youngest recruit in WCHA history. Wow :shock:


Link:

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/column/baggot/301799


Has anyone watched this kid play?

I didn't think they still had papers in WI since hardly anyone can read :wink:

Wasn't Peter Mueller in 8th grade when he committed to the U of M, chose a different path though, but he would have been around the same age eh?
I don't think Mueller was that young.

I've heard rumors that colleges usually start building dossiers on players at 14 and start narrowing their list of possible recruiting targets at 15-16. Actually offering a 14 year old kid a scholarship is awfully risky I would think. Should be interesting to see how he turns out.

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:50 am
by tomASS
I could be wrong about Mueller, but thought that was the grade he was in when he originally committed to the U, I stand by my faulty memory.

I'm not about to read through the NCAA rules and possible violations, but they have a lot sillier rules they require coaches and players to follow then allowing colleges to offer 14 year old scholarships. I find it hard to believe coaches could offer scholarships to players that young and the NCAA would be ok with it.

I would like to think that it is one thing to verbally commit to a college at this age then actually be offered a scholarship.

But the "Onion" is out of Wisconsin so maybe this is a competing, satirical news rag. Article is poorly written "de-committed" :roll:

Machine

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:22 am
by Tenoverpar
So when are we going to see our first Machine 96 commitment media outing at Minnesota Made with Bernie flanked on one side and proud parents on the left...you think we get a commitment in 7th grade??

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:39 am
by JoltDelivered
Yo Ten, that's funny stuff right there. I don't care who you are.

My question is will it be an Edina or White Bear family next to the Bernster at the big press conference?

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:07 pm
by GoldenBear
Neither, kids need to grow a foot and don't know if its in the genes. Hope it works out for these two though they are fun to watch. I would say there are a few 95's same grade as these two who are more than capable however, Bernie probably won't be at the press conference.

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:25 pm
by muckandgrind
GoldenBear wrote:Neither, kids need to grow a foot and don't know if its in the genes. Hope it works out for these two though they are fun to watch. I would say there are a few 95's same grade as these two who are more than capable however, Bernie probably won't be at the press conference.
Are the initials TN and JW?

Re: Univ of Wisconsin recruits 14 Yr old from Chicago Missio

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:46 pm
by hockeychick
crossovers8 wrote:Came across this in a Wisconsin paper. I thought it was a joke at first.

14-year-old Jordan Schmaltz, a defenseman from Verona WI who plays for the Chicago Mission AAA program has committed to the Badgers. He is believed to be the youngest recruit in WCHA history. Wow :shock:


Link:

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/column/baggot/301799


Has anyone watched this kid play?
I have seen his younger brother (96 level) play and he is talented too!!!

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:49 pm
by Toomuchtoosoon
I think GB is talking about JS.

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:07 pm
by GoldenBear
TMTS, no but maybe if he grows too, I was thinking of a ZH, CH.

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:20 pm
by O-townClown
GoldenBear wrote:TMTS, no but maybe if he grows too, I was thinking of a ZH, CH.
Since you're talking about kids that are only about 9 or 10 years old isn't it a given they'll grow?

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:55 pm
by tomASS
GoldenBear wrote:TMTS, no but maybe if he grows too, I was thinking of a ZH, CH.



[size=0]BINGO![/size]

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:04 pm
by tomASS
O-townClown wrote:
GoldenBear wrote:TMTS, no but maybe if he grows too, I was thinking of a ZH, CH.
Since you're talking about kids that are only about 9 or 10 years old isn't it a given they'll grow?

Parents just dreaming through their kids, O-town they will never go away.

Tom

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:02 am
by O-townClown
tomASS wrote:Parents just dreaming through their kids, O-town they will never go away.
Tom, I don't have a problem with people liking youth sports or getting excited about their kid. As long as it is realistic. No problem here if people want to talk about the best at young ages.

However, it doesn't make sense to say "if he grows" unless we're talking about kids age 14-17 where there's actually some question. Kids grow. That's a fact.

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:59 am
by Toomuchtoosoon
I think he was referring to some 12 year olds that are short, have short parents, but are extremely skilled. They may be great now, but if they do not beat the DNA code for size, they may not have the stature to be big time prospects.

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:29 am
by Lowstickside
Star Tribune on 8/27 in sports section; basically the Gopher Woman's Basketball team coach has a standing verball offer of a full scholarship to Taylor Hill from Minneapolis South H.S., which was offered to her when she was in 8th grade. She is now a senior, so the point is that kids are being offered scholarships at an early age, and have been for some time, even by our own state schools.

Re: Tom

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:33 am
by tomASS
O-townClown wrote:Tom, I don't have a problem with people liking youth sports or getting excited about their kid. As long as it is realistic. No problem here if people want to talk about the best at young ages.
O-town, liking sports or getting excited their kids is one thing. To post evaluations of their future prospect or puff their chest about games or tourneys at this age is a logic chip problem IMO. If it is all about fun and development, then winning or future prospects of players or teams do not matter or should not be posted unless their is a need by the insecure daddy doing so. Typically it is parents with their first born in a sport they loved and didn't achieve the success they wanted for themselves who has to do this type of posting

You seem to be excited about what your kid does but never once do you post unrealistic expectations about his future. You seem to get it.

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:36 am
by tomASS
Lowstickside wrote:Star Tribune on 8/27 in sports section; basically the Gopher Woman's Basketball team coach has a standing verball offer of a full scholarship to Taylor Hill from Minneapolis South H.S., which was offered to her when she was in 8th grade. She is now a senior, so the point is that kids are being offered scholarships at an early age, and have been for some time, even by our own state schools.
sounds more like desperation than being able to sell the sport's program.
Insecure coaches make offers they might not be able to keep.

Re: Tom

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:39 am
by hiptzech
tomASS wrote:
O-townClown wrote:Tom, I don't have a problem with people liking youth sports or getting excited about their kid. As long as it is realistic. No problem here if people want to talk about the best at young ages.
O-town, liking sports or getting excited their kids is one thing.....

You seem to be excited about what your kid does but never once do you post unrealistic expectations about his future. You seem to get it.
Get a room :lol:

Re: Tom

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:49 am
by tomASS
hiptzech wrote:
tomASS wrote:
O-townClown wrote:Tom, I don't have a problem with people liking youth sports or getting excited about their kid. As long as it is realistic. No problem here if people want to talk about the best at young ages.
O-town, liking sports or getting excited their kids is one thing.....

You seem to be excited about what your kid does but never once do you post unrealistic expectations about his future. You seem to get it.
Get a room :lol:
I have to try to be nice every once and awhile. I have go out character just to people keep on their toes. :wink:

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:54 am
by Night Train
Today's Star Tribune also reports that Seth Ambroz from New Prague, a 1993 birth year player like Schmaltz, has committed to the Maroon & Gold. Ambroz will play in the USHL for his 10th grade season. I think the paper said 6'2" and 185.

Size

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:02 am
by O-townClown
Toomuchtoosoon wrote:I think he was referring to some 12 year olds that are short, have short parents, but are extremely skilled. They may be great now, but if they do not beat the DNA code for size, they may not have the stature to be big time prospects.
Too too:

Okay. Then the appropriate comment would be something about catching up in size relative to other kids or growing more than you'd expect given the size of their parents.

Believe me, I understand the imporatance of speed, size, and strength when it comes to athletics. Mainly because I didn't ever have size, never was strong, and gained speed much later than some my peers!

Re: Tom

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:24 am
by O-townClown
tomASS wrote:O-town, liking sports or getting excited their kids is one thing. To post evaluations of their future prospect or puff their chest about games or tourneys at this age is a logic chip problem IMO.

If it is all about fun and development, then winning or future prospects of players or teams do not matter or should not be posted unless their is a need by the insecure daddy doing so. Typically it is parents with their first born in a sport they loved and didn't achieve the success they wanted for themselves who has to do this type of posting

You seem to be excited about what your kid does but never once do you post unrealistic expectations about his future. You seem to get it.
Tom:

I think there's a massive difference between saying Whizbang Skatershooter is the best Mite in town and concluding that because he's the best Mite he'll go on to be a star teenager. In this thread you do have some speculating about certain kids holding press conferences.

All kids want to be good at something. Look at how they interact with each other. "I have an iPod." "Well, I have two iPods and a Wii!" I feel sorry for the kids that aren't exposed to activities by their parents because it will be harder for them to find an area where they excel. By good at something I don't mean a world-beater, just good enough to have confidence in themselves.

My sense is that many are quick to assume that a person excited about a summer Squirt age game also thinks their kid is destined for stardom. Maybe they had a talk before their kid signed on for the team about hard work and they feel the win at the end somehow cements the lesson that hard work pays off.

At dinner last night my son asked which team in our state is the best. I told him the Florida Jr. Panthers because they have success at every age level. He said, "I want to play for the Junior Panthers."

It was a wonderful setup to teach him something about life. "What's the fun in that? If they are already the best and you merely go along for the ride you haven't made an impact. Play with your friends and you'll maybe be able to beat them. Imagine how good you'll feel!"

There are many reasons to encourage sports participation. For me, I hope my son has the same positive memories of puttin' on the foil before a big game, giving it your all, and feeling pumped at the end - win OR lose.

You'll find this funny. The program my son is in this season (starts tonight) has at least as many if not more hours of scheduled ice time than Mite Choice at Minnesota Made. I've said it many times. I have no problem with Made, but pity those that think there's something magic to it.

Best of luck with your son's team this season. Is he a Pee Wee now?

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:18 am
by Messier
I have knowledge of this situation.
Jordan Schmaltz contacted the Badgers about playing hockey for them, (a player can contact any school, at any age, in any sport, about playing for them, the school/coaches can not contact the player until end of 10th grade year.) The Badgers did watch him and yes the kid said he would like to play hockey for Bucky and made a verbal commitment to Bucky, but that doesn't mean Bucky will take him or even offer him a scholarship. This happens more and more every year, it has been going on in basketball for years, the next move in basketball will be high school players skipping college to go and play in Europe and then come back to the NBA as free agents and sign with who they want. To me these coaches have to recruit younger and watch the 7th and 8th graders more then the 11th and 12th graders. Parents and Players have gotten smarter and are using the system to benefit there kids college future.