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Posting this interesting article for anyone who didn't happen to see it in the latest edition of Let's Play Hockey:

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/957russo.html

Are there even that many minnesotans playin in the Major Jr. Ranks?

The only league Minnesotans can get drafted to is the WHL. There are very few Sotan's though that leave to the WHL so I don't think they even concentrate heavily in the area. There is a WHL local scout in the state.

You can look at last years WHL Bantam Draft and I think the AMBROZ kid was the only Minnesotan selected.

MNHockeyFan wrote:Posting this interesting article for anyone who didn't happen to see it in the latest edition of Let's Play Hockey:

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/957russo.html

Does anyone know where Mr. Russo got these stats? I checked the Hockey Commissioners Association web site and did not find them. I do have some questions about them.

Comparisons (on an average team)

NCAA CHL

Number of Roster Players 28 25

Number making NHL .5 1

Graduate from College 23.5 4

Do not graduate College 4 20

I think tradition is a large part of why Minnesotans don't play MJ, but in addition to that it's just a harder sell here. The kids aren't as accustomed to leaving home to play hockey like they are in every other state (with the possible exceptions of MI and MA). Michigan stills sends a lot of players to the OHL, but many of them are already very close to suburban Toronto where many of the teams are based.

Many of the hard core debates are over players from non-traditional areas who have a choice to make between money now or education later. If the kid seriously believes that money now is the better option, he's probably correct, because committing to an advanced education isn't something a person should waffle on. Again, these players have always traveled long distances to play hockey.

Other debates involve the Michiganders, where the moving aspect of the decision becomes non-issue for the opposite reason, because everything is so close.

On the occasion that a Minnesotan does play MJ, it's often because of issues regarding academic eligibility (Mueller) or playing time (O'Brien). Let's face it, the Gophers bench will always be deep with talented players, so if you're looking for icetime as a 17yo or 18yo and you're not there for the education, you're better off in the WHL.

That's why it's a hard sell for MJ programs in MN, and an equally hard sell for college programs trying to land WHL caliber Canadian recruits. Hense, the debate will continue to rage on.

Tenoverpar wrote:The only league Minnesotans can get drafted to is the WHL. There are very few Sotan's though that leave to the WHL so I don't think they even concentrate heavily in the area. There is a WHL local scout in the state.

You can look at last years WHL Bantam Draft and I think the AMBROZ kid was the only Minnesotan selected.

The WHL/Minnesota thing may be true now days but Jamie Langenbrunner and Patrick Finnegan played in the OHL for the Peterborough Petes and the Windsor Spitfires back in the 90's

edinalover1 wrote:Are there even that many minnesotans playin in the Major Jr. Ranks?

Congratulations to Brainerd's Joey Frazer http://www.tigershockey.com/players/pro ... oey_frazer
for making the Medicine Hat Tigers roster... this brings the total of four Minnesota players on the 2008/2009 roster.... with 2nd year John Stampohar from Hibbing along with Tristin King (Elk River, traded from Portland) and Tyler Kieffer (Stillwater, aquired from Everett)

Hockey2112 wrote:

edinalover1 wrote:Are there even that many minnesotans playin in the Major Jr. Ranks?

Congratulations to Brainerd's Joey Frazer http://www.tigershockey.com/players/pro ... oey_frazer
for making the Medicine Hat Tigers roster... this brings the total of four Minnesota players on the 2008/2009 roster.... with 2nd year John Stampohar from Hibbing along with Tristin King (Elk River, traded from Portland) and Tyler Kieffer (Stillwater, aquired from Everett)

Yep, there'll always be some Minnesotans in the WHL, likely for one of the reasons I mentioned above. Good luck with your careers boys!

from what i hea5rd joey frazer will get 7 yrs of college. here's another profile link for joey http://whl.ca/en/stats/player.php?id=25300

the minny connection is impressive up in the hat. great opportunity for them boys......

shooter57 wrote:from what i hea5rd joey frazer will get 7 yrs of college. here's another profile link for joey http://whl.ca/en/stats/player.php?id=25300

the minny connection is impressive up in the hat. great opportunity for them boys......

Actually shooter57, I think you partially correct. For each year a players is in the WHL, he receives 1 yr. paid education. If you enter the league as a 17 year old and play till your 21, that would be 5 years total. Don't think there is a way he could get 7 years. But this is not garuenteed, as it is year by year, as a player can't get cut and released at any time.

Little known in the Joey Frazer situation, he just happened to be at Minnesota Hockey Camps in Nisswa when Medicine Hat came in with their futures for a week. He basically earned his way to their roster over his peers that were actually in their futures program. Good for him, but he did have a spot at Neb-Omaha waiting for him, so it brings in the debate of choosing US College or Canadian Juniors.

High Flyer wrote:

shooter57 wrote:from what i hea5rd joey frazer will get 7 yrs of college. here's another profile link for joey http://whl.ca/en/stats/player.php?id=25300

the minny connection is impressive up in the hat. great opportunity for them boys......

Actually shooter57, I think you partially correct. For each year a players is in the WHL, he receives 1 yr. paid education. If you enter the league as a 17 year old and play till your 21, that would be 5 years total. Don't think there is a way he could get 7 years. But this is not garuenteed, as it is year by year, as a player can't get cut and released at any time.

I believe you are correct on the one for one deal.

What happens to a kid that my have been offered a partial scholarship and decides to play Major Jr.? Does the Jr. team pick up the missing percentage?

Partial scholarships are offered all of the time at the college level. It's not like football; I believe there are only 18 hockey scholarships available. If the Jr. teams supplement the scholarship, it would theoretically give them a marketing advantage over American Jr. (USHL, NAHL, etc.).

breakout wrote:

High Flyer wrote:

shooter57 wrote:from what i hea5rd joey frazer will get 7 yrs of college. here's another profile link for joey http://whl.ca/en/stats/player.php?id=25300

the minny connection is impressive up in the hat. great opportunity for them boys......

Actually shooter57, I think you partially correct. For each year a players is in the WHL, he receives 1 yr. paid education. If you enter the league as a 17 year old and play till your 21, that would be 5 years total. Don't think there is a way he could get 7 years. But this is not garuenteed, as it is year by year, as a player can't get cut and released at any time.

I believe you are correct on the one for one deal.

What happens to a kid that my have been offered a partial scholarship and decides to play Major Jr.? Does the Jr. team pick up the missing percentage?

Partial scholarships are offered all of the time at the college level. It's not like football; I believe there are only 18 hockey scholarships available. If the Jr. teams supplement the scholarship, it would theoretically give them a marketing advantage over American Jr. (USHL, NAHL, etc.).

Once a player takes the MJ route, he will lose his partial college schoolarship and alll ncaa elgibility.

Through MJ, he will get 1 full year paid education only if the player completes a full season of MJ

High Flyer wrote:Actually shooter57, I think you partially correct. For each year a players is in the WHL, he receives 1 yr. paid education. If you enter the league as a 17 year old and play till your 21, that would be 5 years total. Don't think there is a way he could get 7 years. But this is not garuenteed, as it is year by year, as a player can't get cut and released at any time.

I believe that the player loses any potential financial help for education from the CHL team if he makes the pros... and I don't mean simply the NHL. I am talking some of the minor league systems too.

Maybe that has changed now (not sure) but I know it had been that way for years.