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NWSC dominance ????
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:47 pm
by crocket
With a NWSC or private school team winning the AA state title every year since 2000, with the exception of Roseau once, show that the NWSC is the best conference in the state?????
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:30 pm
by karl(east)
From 1998-2004, perhaps. In the past four years all they've mustered is one 3rd-place finish by Blaine, though.
And seeing as the privates that have competed for the AA championship in recent years are in conferences too, I don't see why that would preclude their conferences from consideration (though looking at them, they're not the strongest conferences in the state).
While the NWSC is certainly a strong conference with some excellent contenders this year, led by Centennial, it can't quite match the depth the Lake has had in the past few years, and the Classic Lake would give it a serious run too.
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:02 pm
by King of the Pond
I dont know about dominance but definitely one of the elite conferences in the state. Down a little lately with Elk River not putting out its regularly good teams and Anoka is also down this year, but there has been emerging teams like Maple Grove and Osseo.
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:02 pm
by MrBoDangles
NWSC is the best for sure, look for Elk River to be real good in a couple years with the talent they have coming up from association hockey.
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:08 pm
by gophermadman
MrBoDangles wrote:NWSC is the best for sure, look for Elk River to be real good in a couple years with the talent they have coming up from association hockey.
not true, as for now if we are looking back over the past decade, its the lake, however the lake (minus the jags and the prarie dogs) would take some tough beats against most NWSC teams this year.
as for the future, its also the lake if you look at the new proposals. As its looking right now this is a potential for one of the two new lake conferences:
Jefferson
Edina
Eden Prarie
Wayzata
Kennedy
Chaska
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:10 pm
by King of the Pond
gophermadman wrote:MrBoDangles wrote:NWSC is the best for sure, look for Elk River to be real good in a couple years with the talent they have coming up from association hockey.
not true, as for now if we are looking back over the past decade, its the lake, however the lake (minus the jags and the prarie dogs) would take some tough beats against most NWSC teams this year.
as for the future, its also the lake if you look at the new proposals. As its looking right now this is a potential for one of the two new lake conferences:
Jefferson
Edina
Eden Prarie
Wayzata
Kennedy
Chaska
How is it all lake over the past decade. How many titles have they won in that span?
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:15 pm
by MrBoDangles
Who has the list since 2000?
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:21 pm
by King of the Pond
MrBoDangles wrote:Who has the list since 2000?
I just looked and there hasnt even been a Lake team in the State Championship since 1996!
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:23 pm
by MrBoDangles
Proof positive!
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:24 pm
by karl(east)
No conference has really been dominant in recent years, or at least not since Elk River fell off and the NWSC came down a bit. I appears to be on the rebound now. The only one that could give it a run this year is probably the Classic Lake, with Edina, Minnetonka, and Wayzata. But that conference is folding, so the dispute will end shortly.
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:22 pm
by gophermadman
King of the Pond wrote:MrBoDangles wrote:Who has the list since 2000?
I just looked and there hasnt even been a Lake team in the State Championship since 1996![/quote/]
titles only a small factor that only tells us the conference is capable of producing one great team. If we followed this idea the Missota would look like a top conference, to determine the best conference you must look at the average level of play. The lake is consistantly producing the top caliber hockey, this year being the only exception I can think of this decade(although they do have #1 Jefferson and #4 EP which is not bad). Also, if you look at the 90s its lake domination.
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:23 pm
by HShockeywatcher
I would say that NWSC or Mariucci is the one in AA. And in A it would be Mariucci or Lake Superior.
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:37 pm
by talkofthetown17
gophermadman wrote:King of the Pond wrote:MrBoDangles wrote:Who has the list since 2000?
I just looked and there hasnt even been a Lake team in the State Championship since 1996![/quote/]
titles only a small factor that only tells us the conference is capable of producing one great team. If we followed this idea the Missota would look like a top conference, to determine the best conference you must look at the average level of play. The lake is consistantly producing the top caliber hockey, this year being the only exception I can think of this decade(although they do have #1 Jefferson and #4 EP which is not bad). Also, if you look at the 90s its lake domination.
The NWSC has The #3 team cenntenial( just beat glorified Edian team), #5 Blaine, #13 Maple Grove and #20 Elk river thats according to lets play hockey. I would Say thats a pretty solid conference
As for saying Elk Rivers Youth is good is maybe and an understatment The A Peewee team is 28-2-1 WITh a couple of out standing players. Also the a bantam team is not bad with a 17-9-3 record
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:01 pm
by gophermadman
talkofthetown17 wrote:gophermadman wrote:King of the Pond wrote:
I just looked and there hasnt even been a Lake team in the State Championship since 1996![/quote/]
titles only a small factor that only tells us the conference is capable of producing one great team. If we followed this idea the Missota would look like a top conference, to determine the best conference you must look at the average level of play. The lake is consistantly producing the top caliber hockey, this year being the only exception I can think of this decade(although they do have #1 Jefferson and #4 EP which is not bad). Also, if you look at the 90s its lake domination.
The NWSC has The #3 team cenntenial( just beat glorified Edian team), #5 Blaine, #13 Maple Grove and #20 Elk river thats according to lets play hockey. I would Say thats a pretty solid conference
As for saying Elk Rivers Youth is good is maybe and an understatment The A Peewee team is 28-2-1 WITh a couple of out standing players. Also the a bantam team is not bad with a 17-9-3 record
Im not saying its not a solid conference. It is among the elite year in and year out, but this thread calls for "dominance"....dominance is a strong word and the NWSC does very well for itself, but 'dominate' the state of hockey it does not.
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:06 pm
by talkofthetown17
gophermadman wrote:talkofthetown17 wrote:gophermadman wrote:
The NWSC has The #3 team cenntenial( just beat glorified Edian team), #5 Blaine, #13 Maple Grove and #20 Elk river thats according to lets play hockey. I would Say thats a pretty solid conference
As for saying Elk Rivers Youth is good is maybe and an understatment The A Peewee team is 28-2-1 WITh a couple of out standing players. Also the a bantam team is not bad with a 17-9-3 record
Im not saying its not a solid conference. It is among the elite year in and year out, but this thread calls for "dominance"....dominance is a strong word and the NWSC does very well for itself, but 'dominate' the state of hockey it does not.
i agree not dominant but i really dont know how anyone could say its not number one or two
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:06 pm
by The51
where is the information on the possible new lake conference?
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:31 pm
by HShockeywatcher
The question was phrased in a way to suggest that making it to state, or doing well at state, is what would qualify a team for "being dominant." If it is simply the all around best teams:
AA: Classic Lake, NWS, Lake
A: Classic Suburban, Wright Country, Mariucci
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:47 pm
by MrBoDangles
Yes, I do agree the lake conference's do have great REGULAR season team's.
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:28 pm
by MrBoDangles
Elk River is showing up earlier then expected.
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:40 pm
by scoreboard33
The51 wrote:where is the information on the possible new lake conference?
It is all just rumors, so far.
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:30 pm
by HShockeywatcher
The lake has 11 teams and the classic lake 5. If the lake were to simply "give" three of its teams, which ever geographically make sense, to the classic lake, that would be great for both, in my opinion.
If they did that, though, Eden Prairie would probably be one of the three, which would change the Lake dramatically. The classic lake would then be flat out amazing in football.
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:14 pm
by BIGSEXY
It's dominating the top ten right now....
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:00 am
by MrBoDangles
Possibly 2 teams representing the NWSC this year in the tournament?
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:35 am
by Roseauverrated
karl(east) wrote: The only one that could give it a run this year is probably the Classic Lake, with Edina, Minnetonka, and Wayzata. But that conference is folding, so the dispute will end shortly.
Could you give me more info about that? All I really know is the Classic Lake isn't going to exist anymore. Is this the last season? where are the teams in it going to go?
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:56 am
by karl(east)
Roseauverrated wrote:karl(east) wrote: The only one that could give it a run this year is probably the Classic Lake, with Edina, Minnetonka, and Wayzata. But that conference is folding, so the dispute will end shortly.
Could you give me more info about that? All I really know is the Classic Lake isn't going to exist anymore. Is this the last season? where are the teams in it going to go?
Eeh, other people know more than I do about this.
I'm pretty sure that it will exist for one more year, but that may be wrong. I know Armstrong's moving into the North Suburban, while the others are still without destinations. From what I've read on here, the most likely result is some sort of split-up of the Lake into 2 conferences that will include the rest of the current Classic Lake. Someone else tell me what I'm missing, though.
As for this topic, the NWSC certainly does look great right now; so great that the top 4 are beating up on each other to the point where it's very hard to make much out of it.
I wouldn't hand them 2 Tourney berths yet, though...my alma mater may have something to say about that.
