1. this is a real question as I dont know but I do think it has a lot more to do with hockey than other sports.
2. I ve seen so much bad coaching this year w/ diff teams it makes me sick. ex why dont they play the best playrs anymore? why do they mixup lineups every other game? what is it they see that every1 else doesnt are they all trying to be lemaire or what??? any insight this is real no particular coach just a random assetment that i see that som kids who dont seem to be that good get a lot playing time on varsity rosters!
Coaching how tough is it?
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midwesthockeyscout
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The answers are becoming easier by the minute, the more you read this forum.
Every single parent that has a kid playing hich school hockey thinks their kid is good enough to play D1 and get drafted then spend 10 years in the NHL.
If HOCKEY SCOUT cares to put his two cents in, he will attest a bit.
The administrative aspect of coaching with parents in their ears constantly about playing time, roles, etc, has become so overwhelming dominant in the focus of hockey, that many coaches I DO happen to talk to, basically feel obligated to "play" kids, and sacrifice winning.
The biggest factor is the $$$$. Some HS programs still cost players $800+ to play, and with a 25-game schedule, and if your kid is playing three shifts a game, you're gonna get pissed off parents.
My coaching philosophy is to tell the 3rd, 4th line kids/parents UP FRONT - "This is your role. You want to play HS hockey, you need to be willing to accept this role, or there will be a player with close enough talent to yours that would gladly fill your spot. Do you want this role?"
I am positive I would not want to be a HS hockey coach to save my soul.... I like my role as the way it is...
Every single parent that has a kid playing hich school hockey thinks their kid is good enough to play D1 and get drafted then spend 10 years in the NHL.
If HOCKEY SCOUT cares to put his two cents in, he will attest a bit.
The administrative aspect of coaching with parents in their ears constantly about playing time, roles, etc, has become so overwhelming dominant in the focus of hockey, that many coaches I DO happen to talk to, basically feel obligated to "play" kids, and sacrifice winning.
The biggest factor is the $$$$. Some HS programs still cost players $800+ to play, and with a 25-game schedule, and if your kid is playing three shifts a game, you're gonna get pissed off parents.
My coaching philosophy is to tell the 3rd, 4th line kids/parents UP FRONT - "This is your role. You want to play HS hockey, you need to be willing to accept this role, or there will be a player with close enough talent to yours that would gladly fill your spot. Do you want this role?"
I am positive I would not want to be a HS hockey coach to save my soul.... I like my role as the way it is...
From what I see , the game has become so over coached . I feel teams work so much on systems that the kids are not in good hockey shape. Some teams that have little talent could be doing better if the coach would give up his ego and go back to basics and condition the team more. Hard hats and lunch pale hockey.....OLD TIME HOCKEY.....You dont need a team of d-1 players to be succesfull.
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seek & destroy
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To add to this problem (and your right on with your assessment) parents believe everything that they hear from "off season" trainers. These trainers try to convince them that they can make their kid into a D1 prospect if you just give them enough money to do it. They are primarily out for one thing, to make a profit, and the easiest way to do that is skulk around any local rink and follow these simple steps:midwesthockeyscout wrote:Every single parent that has a kid playing hich school hockey thinks their kid is good enough to play D1 and get drafted then spend 10 years in the NHL.
1) tell some parent how great their kid is playing
2) convince them that they need to get special training to go to the next level
3) make it sound like their program is the only program that will give that kid a chance at the next level
4) tell them it is an 'exclusive' club that not just any player can get into
5) tell them that their fee is a small price to pay for a chance to get their special training with a chance for a college scholarship.
Parents are left dreaming of what D1 school their kid should go to and they eat it all up as they write the check!! The kids think they are 'all that' because their parents check cleared and they are now part of the exclusive club.
Five months later in November, after spending $1000's of dollars and hours of time getting their kids to this special training, the parents of those players EXPECT the H.S. coach to play their kid...after all he's a D1 prospect according to the off season coach. If the H.S. coach doesn't play him on the 1st line PP etc. then the coach is a 'bad' coach and the complaining starts.
I'm all in favor of some sort of off season training but some of these guys have become like vultures around the rink just waiting for their next victim. The crap that they feed some of the parents creates a whole other set of problems for the H.S. coaches to deal with because some of these players just aren't that good. You'll find that some of these players end up enjoying the off season coaching more than the regular season because the off season coaches tell them how good they are...of course they are well paid to say it.
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southernmnscout
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Re: Coaching how tough is it?
I think tgeagles should pay more attention in English class and not worry so much about the coaching????????tgeagles wrote:1. this is a real question as I dont know but I do think it has a lot more to do with hockey than other sports.
2. I ve seen so much bad coaching this year w/ diff teams it makes me sick. ex why dont they play the best playrs anymore? why do they mixup lineups every other game? what is it they see that every1 else doesnt are they all trying to be lemaire or what??? any insight this is real no particular coach just a random assetment that i see that som kids who dont seem to be that good get a lot playing time on varsity rosters!
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Indians forever
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northwoods oldtimer
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Amen
oldguy39 hit the nail on head.
Indians forever is indeed correctFrom what I see , the game has become so over coached . I feel teams work so much on systems that the kids are not in good hockey shape. Some teams that have little talent could be doing better if the coach would give up his ego and go back to basics and condition the team more. Hard hats and lunch pale hockey.....OLD TIME HOCKEY.....You dont need a team of d-1 players to be succesfull.
Get back to the basics, hammer the fundementals and believe in what you are doing.It is extremely tough in all levels of hockey!!
In my earlier days I have coached the following:
1. Bantam boys ice hockey (we won a state championship)
2. Co-ed soccer (we won a state championship)
3. Girls volleyball (we won two state championships)
In all cases, the expectations of the parents were very low, since all programs were fairly new and the particular teams had never accomplished anything close to winning state tourneys.
If I had remained in the Midwest, I probably could have become a coach in one of the programs there. But I do know that the expectations of the parents would have been much higher.
So, yeah, parental expectations might be the hardest to manage around. Basically young adults are similar in their desire to learn a sport and achieve success. But parent groups differ greatly in what they expect for their own child, and also for the program.
1. Bantam boys ice hockey (we won a state championship)
2. Co-ed soccer (we won a state championship)
3. Girls volleyball (we won two state championships)
In all cases, the expectations of the parents were very low, since all programs were fairly new and the particular teams had never accomplished anything close to winning state tourneys.
If I had remained in the Midwest, I probably could have become a coach in one of the programs there. But I do know that the expectations of the parents would have been much higher.
So, yeah, parental expectations might be the hardest to manage around. Basically young adults are similar in their desire to learn a sport and achieve success. But parent groups differ greatly in what they expect for their own child, and also for the program.
Coaching is easy and fun if:
1. You (assuming you are allowed to) let ALL know at the beginning of the year what you will tolerate.
2. Don't tolerate anything.
3. Work hard, communicate with players, and respect everyone.
I know of HS boards, supers, AD's that have given such poor direction and support to a coach one wonders how they get the next person to coach.
Parents, unless the coach is physically or verbally abusing your kid, it is none of your business what line, pp OR pk, or number of shifts your kid gets.
The AD (hopefully with independent help) should be the evaluator of the coach in deciding if he(she) does not have what it takes to be a leader within the school.
1. You (assuming you are allowed to) let ALL know at the beginning of the year what you will tolerate.
2. Don't tolerate anything.
3. Work hard, communicate with players, and respect everyone.
I know of HS boards, supers, AD's that have given such poor direction and support to a coach one wonders how they get the next person to coach.
Parents, unless the coach is physically or verbally abusing your kid, it is none of your business what line, pp OR pk, or number of shifts your kid gets.
The AD (hopefully with independent help) should be the evaluator of the coach in deciding if he(she) does not have what it takes to be a leader within the school.
ok i figured it was going this way my hs kid didnt even make varsity... but i have 3 other kids 2 in bantams and 1 stepson playing varsity.....and again this is a real question not related to my kids at all... Im a realist none of my kids will be that good... but watching in some of the games some kids I see get a ton of playing time are not that good....I can see if that is the case above they are told they are going to be on 4th line at beg of season! I guess I was just wondering if there were any other variables such as johnnie cant handle 4th line so we will play him 2 line and bob who is just as good may be a little better in somethings will play 4th line because he thinks he deserves to play 2nd line and wont complain and will just work harder while johnnie just shows up because hes a complainer keeps B8tc9ing.....elliott70 wrote:Coaching is easy and fun if:
1. You (assuming you are allowed to) let ALL know at the beginning of the year what you will tolerate.
2. Don't tolerate anything.
3. Work hard, communicate with players, and respect everyone.
I know of HS boards, supers, AD's that have given such poor direction and support to a coach one wonders how they get the next person to coach.
Parents, unless the coach is physically or verbally abusing your kid, it is none of your business what line, pp OR pk, or number of shifts your kid gets.
The AD (hopefully with independent help) should be the evaluator of the coach in deciding if he(she) does not have what it takes to be a leader within the school.
Coaching is pretty simple when you look at it, It can be pretty much broken down into these 3 things...
1. EARN respect from your players, players parents, and the community.
Players: Be open and honest with them, help them to get better. Learn your players, figure out what they respond to best.
Parents: Be outgoing, but not buddy buddy. This is what really gets the parents talking...
Community: Pretty simple, train your players to be good people, not just good athletes.(This is something that many coaches do not do)
2. STRESS the fundamentals. DON'T ASSUME that the players know what they are doing.
There is nothing like having a coach who does nothing but work on specific things with players that don't even understand the basics. Teach the players the game, and the tools they need to get started, then work from there.
3. Remember... IT'S JUST A GAME!!
Self-Explanatory
From my limited coaching experience, when you do these 3 things, the rest just falls into place. But when you fail to do any 1 of these things, it becomes difficult to be successful.
1. EARN respect from your players, players parents, and the community.
Players: Be open and honest with them, help them to get better. Learn your players, figure out what they respond to best.
Parents: Be outgoing, but not buddy buddy. This is what really gets the parents talking...
Community: Pretty simple, train your players to be good people, not just good athletes.(This is something that many coaches do not do)
2. STRESS the fundamentals. DON'T ASSUME that the players know what they are doing.
There is nothing like having a coach who does nothing but work on specific things with players that don't even understand the basics. Teach the players the game, and the tools they need to get started, then work from there.
3. Remember... IT'S JUST A GAME!!
Self-Explanatory
From my limited coaching experience, when you do these 3 things, the rest just falls into place. But when you fail to do any 1 of these things, it becomes difficult to be successful.
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HOCKEY SCOUT
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Should be listed as one of the worst jobs out there.
I love all the posts that say, "the varsity coaches lied to this or that kid, they told him one thing and then did another." People figure it out please. If you were not there for the conversation I would tend to believe the Coach over your son or daughter especially when it involves some bad news for your son or daughter such as playing time, or he told me I would be on the 2nd line then put me on the 4th line. Th elist goes on and on.
Everyone knows your team better than you do.
Another great one, usually a parent, but as we have seen it can even be coaches in your youth program. I wonder if these people are at the practices everyday, or are they getting the info 2nd and 3rd hand from a player.We all know the game when you say a phrase and have 10 kids pass the phrase on. By the end of the 10 kids the phrase is completely different than what was actually said.
I could go on and on but you get the message.
The problem is, it is happening at the div. I college level. I talked with a prominant coach last week and he told me that he fielded 3-5 calls this year from irate parents complaining about playing time and the line their kid was on.
Crazy hockey parents are ruining this sport.
I love all the posts that say, "the varsity coaches lied to this or that kid, they told him one thing and then did another." People figure it out please. If you were not there for the conversation I would tend to believe the Coach over your son or daughter especially when it involves some bad news for your son or daughter such as playing time, or he told me I would be on the 2nd line then put me on the 4th line. Th elist goes on and on.
Everyone knows your team better than you do.
Another great one, usually a parent, but as we have seen it can even be coaches in your youth program. I wonder if these people are at the practices everyday, or are they getting the info 2nd and 3rd hand from a player.We all know the game when you say a phrase and have 10 kids pass the phrase on. By the end of the 10 kids the phrase is completely different than what was actually said.
I could go on and on but you get the message.
The problem is, it is happening at the div. I college level. I talked with a prominant coach last week and he told me that he fielded 3-5 calls this year from irate parents complaining about playing time and the line their kid was on.
Crazy hockey parents are ruining this sport.
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hockeycoach66
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Having 2 high school - high profile players (1 went to state did very well and one is being watched by more than 1 D1 school) the expections I have from the coaches are: (I have to beleive that most parents would agree)
TEACH HOCKEY - demonstrate and explain the difference between smart hockey and not so smart hockey (if a player makes a mistake on the ice tell them what they did wrong and don't just sit them with them not knowing what they did wrong)
RAISE THE LEVEL OF PLAY - for all players (push them to play to their ability, avoiding playing down to the other teams level)
DEVELOP THE PROGRAM - grow the younger players from ponies to horses, if you have a 5-7 point lead let the younger players play and don't pound the crap out of the other team just because you can or just to build up stats for your own kid or a group of kids
MAINTAIN CONTROL AND MAINTAIN DISCIPLINE - kids will be kids, they all pick on each other some worse than others, some take the spirit out of others, it all can detract from building a team
DEVELOP BOTH INDIVIDUAL AND TEAM SKILLS - condition the players to be prepared, practice individual skill development and team play
DON'T FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE - get the lines formed, tweak them at the beginning of the season and LEAVE THEM ALONE - how can a coach expect to get performance out of a line if they keep changing the dynamics of that line... they can't. If you're going to mess with 1 or 2 lines mess with all of them.
HAVE COURAGE AND DON'T COACH IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING
In our case we have what I would call a 4th line high school player coaching a group of highly individually skilled players who can't do any of the above. After spending $$$$$ on my boys all to wiz it away with a coach that would be better off leading a boy scout troup, long before coaching hockey, nice guy or not.
We've seen him destroy spirited and talented players, force the high end players to leave or go to a private school before they get to our school, our program is dying and we can't do anything about it.
MANY parents have talked to the atheletic director without anything coming out of it. Our coaching absolutely blows and nothing can be done about it and they're hurting the players and the program.
Despite the money and time I've spent on my kids to grow in a game they love and despite all the hard work they've put in to growing, it's the coaching that's failing the players.
All I want for ALL of the players is what's list above. The players deserve it and the coaches can't deliver it. If you can't deliver it, put your ego aside and listen to the parents (we've seen a game or two). . . . it's time to get out!!!!
Way to go Rochester!!!
TEACH HOCKEY - demonstrate and explain the difference between smart hockey and not so smart hockey (if a player makes a mistake on the ice tell them what they did wrong and don't just sit them with them not knowing what they did wrong)
RAISE THE LEVEL OF PLAY - for all players (push them to play to their ability, avoiding playing down to the other teams level)
DEVELOP THE PROGRAM - grow the younger players from ponies to horses, if you have a 5-7 point lead let the younger players play and don't pound the crap out of the other team just because you can or just to build up stats for your own kid or a group of kids
MAINTAIN CONTROL AND MAINTAIN DISCIPLINE - kids will be kids, they all pick on each other some worse than others, some take the spirit out of others, it all can detract from building a team
DEVELOP BOTH INDIVIDUAL AND TEAM SKILLS - condition the players to be prepared, practice individual skill development and team play
DON'T FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE - get the lines formed, tweak them at the beginning of the season and LEAVE THEM ALONE - how can a coach expect to get performance out of a line if they keep changing the dynamics of that line... they can't. If you're going to mess with 1 or 2 lines mess with all of them.
HAVE COURAGE AND DON'T COACH IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING
In our case we have what I would call a 4th line high school player coaching a group of highly individually skilled players who can't do any of the above. After spending $$$$$ on my boys all to wiz it away with a coach that would be better off leading a boy scout troup, long before coaching hockey, nice guy or not.
We've seen him destroy spirited and talented players, force the high end players to leave or go to a private school before they get to our school, our program is dying and we can't do anything about it.
MANY parents have talked to the atheletic director without anything coming out of it. Our coaching absolutely blows and nothing can be done about it and they're hurting the players and the program.
Despite the money and time I've spent on my kids to grow in a game they love and despite all the hard work they've put in to growing, it's the coaching that's failing the players.
All I want for ALL of the players is what's list above. The players deserve it and the coaches can't deliver it. If you can't deliver it, put your ego aside and listen to the parents (we've seen a game or two). . . . it's time to get out!!!!
Way to go Rochester!!!
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midwesthockeyscout
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Let me further addd to Coach66.
To me, it doesn't matter what sport, but we as a sociey have pussified youth athletics. We, as coaches, are not permitted to be harsh to the student/athlete... "Don't dare yell at my son", as kids then become afraid to make a mistake, thus play the game, in fear of getting "yelled at".
Too many coaches let the players come back to the bench without a single word, or worse yet, leave them on the ice or court or field without sitting their butt down. BUT, it's not just for a coach to explain what was wrong, but MORESO, a coach, who is worth a snot, would take it one step further...
ASK the player....
"What could you have done differently to avoid the mistake?" "What did you see on the ice?" "Was it a physical mistake or mental mistake?"
If a coach puts the player in a position in which he actually has to THINK about the answer, verbally creates an answer, you are engaging in dialogue in a posiitve manner. When the player creates a response, the message and the thought process of the player increases, versus the potential of going in one ear and out the other.
If the player doesn't realize or understand what he did incorrectly, then the coach can explain in a constructive method.
To me, it doesn't matter what sport, but we as a sociey have pussified youth athletics. We, as coaches, are not permitted to be harsh to the student/athlete... "Don't dare yell at my son", as kids then become afraid to make a mistake, thus play the game, in fear of getting "yelled at".
Too many coaches let the players come back to the bench without a single word, or worse yet, leave them on the ice or court or field without sitting their butt down. BUT, it's not just for a coach to explain what was wrong, but MORESO, a coach, who is worth a snot, would take it one step further...
ASK the player....
"What could you have done differently to avoid the mistake?" "What did you see on the ice?" "Was it a physical mistake or mental mistake?"
If a coach puts the player in a position in which he actually has to THINK about the answer, verbally creates an answer, you are engaging in dialogue in a posiitve manner. When the player creates a response, the message and the thought process of the player increases, versus the potential of going in one ear and out the other.
If the player doesn't realize or understand what he did incorrectly, then the coach can explain in a constructive method.
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HOCKEY SCOUT
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Midwest, you hit it on the head. Parents have made coaches cowards today. they can't win, they are to tough on the kid or not tough enough etc, etc. No matter what they do they are always wrong. The problem that you are going to see happening is the good coaches leaving or in some cases being run out. The up and coming coaches don't want any part of it because of headaches they see on the horizon. We are missing out on a lot of good coaching candidates because of this. My prediction is that in the next few years we will start to see school officials start to stand up to parents again and let the coaches coach and kids play like it should be. I don't know what has happened over the last twenty years but the trend is scary. the youth of today are not learning to be men and women, they are learning that mom and dad will take care of their problems for them.
The biggest complaint I hear is that there are no more good leaders coming up through the ranks. Why is that????? Because kids are not taking care of their own problems anymore mommy and daddy are.
The biggest complaint I hear is that there are no more good leaders coming up through the ranks. Why is that????? Because kids are not taking care of their own problems anymore mommy and daddy are.
Hockey Scout you are right on. Also, a lot of the good young guys who want to coach are going to the Junior ranks because of less Headaches. It seemed like twenty years ago people who became Administrators taught for a good number of years and worked on their Adm. degree and then became Ad's or Principals. Now it seems many administrators are only in the classroom a couple of years, and haven't dealt with the real problems that you need to become a good administrator. Their experience is out of a book or graduate class. Hopefully things will turn around so we don't continue to loose good young coaches.
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hockeycoach66
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Midwest, great point.
My boys have had million$ coaching in the years before the emotionless and clueless coaching they have now in high school.
I know some parents that are demanding because the came from the old school, not the new one today where they have to talk about everything, avoid conflict and avoid the "in your face" approach.
I know some parents that are demanding because of the investment (time and money) they've put into getting their kids to go up to the door and knock on it for the opportunity, only to see their kid back peddle or go flat because of poor coaching.
I also know some parents who are in both categories, like myself.
Coaches: earn the respect you want, give it back to the players as they deserve, push them to do their best, yell at them if needed, be fair, have a plan, communicate expectations to the players, communicate what happens if the expectations are not met, and treat all of the players equal.
Oh yeah QUIT if you can't do this, afterall you're ineffective.
My boys have had million$ coaching in the years before the emotionless and clueless coaching they have now in high school.
I know some parents that are demanding because the came from the old school, not the new one today where they have to talk about everything, avoid conflict and avoid the "in your face" approach.
I know some parents that are demanding because of the investment (time and money) they've put into getting their kids to go up to the door and knock on it for the opportunity, only to see their kid back peddle or go flat because of poor coaching.
I also know some parents who are in both categories, like myself.
Coaches: earn the respect you want, give it back to the players as they deserve, push them to do their best, yell at them if needed, be fair, have a plan, communicate expectations to the players, communicate what happens if the expectations are not met, and treat all of the players equal.
Oh yeah QUIT if you can't do this, afterall you're ineffective.
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The last few years High Schools have been hiring hockey coaches who as players, whether it be in college or in the NHL, were very successful. For most of these coaches playing hockey was so natural and effortless they themselves did not have to struggle through learning and developing skills as a player. As coaches they have a hard time teaching these skills and developing good players to be better players because they can not transfer what was natual ability and raw talent in themselves to the average high school player. Most of your best coaches were back ups and second stringers who are students of the game and not the natural super star.
1-Parents overvalue their kids talent and their teams talent while undervalueing their opponents talent. Step back and take a look a few years later and you'll be much more objective.
2-Kids are taught that losing is OK
3-Kids have to deal with their parents a heck of a lot more than their coach, who are they going to listen too? I can remember a game a couple of years ago where during a time out a kid was looking at his dad not his coach.
4-Youth hockey in many places does a terrible job of preparring kids for high school hockey. Individualism is rewarded team play is non existant, when kids have no idea about basic concepts of team play by the time they get to high school you can't blame the high school coach.
5-Kids are kids, they may be able to tell you what they should do but doing it is another thing entirely, the old axiom of put kids in a place where they'll suceed is fine but even more important is to put a kid in a place where he'll do the least damage.
6-If you spent all this money on a kid in a team sport and expect success and blame the coach you're an idiot. There are 3 perennial successful teams in the state and 2 revolve around individuals; Apple Valley wrestling and Edina tennis, the 3rd is Eden Prairie football where they have such a huge numbers advantage thatit would be hard to lose.
2-Kids are taught that losing is OK
3-Kids have to deal with their parents a heck of a lot more than their coach, who are they going to listen too? I can remember a game a couple of years ago where during a time out a kid was looking at his dad not his coach.
4-Youth hockey in many places does a terrible job of preparring kids for high school hockey. Individualism is rewarded team play is non existant, when kids have no idea about basic concepts of team play by the time they get to high school you can't blame the high school coach.
5-Kids are kids, they may be able to tell you what they should do but doing it is another thing entirely, the old axiom of put kids in a place where they'll suceed is fine but even more important is to put a kid in a place where he'll do the least damage.
6-If you spent all this money on a kid in a team sport and expect success and blame the coach you're an idiot. There are 3 perennial successful teams in the state and 2 revolve around individuals; Apple Valley wrestling and Edina tennis, the 3rd is Eden Prairie football where they have such a huge numbers advantage thatit would be hard to lose.
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keepmeoutofit
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my wife and i had kids older than most and we are both in our mid 50s. we see a huge difference between what we feel is appropriate behavior for parents and what is being done by most/many of the other parents.
we believe that our kids should take their issues up with their coaches. they can then either go along with the coaches direction or they have the right to quit and try something else.
so many parents have no shame in what they will do to further their own interests. Consequently many of the kids are growing up with no pride.
Years ago i played second string behind a kid that i was never going to beat out. he was bigger, faster and stronger. He's still my best friend.
If my parents got involved (they could have made the argument that i worked harder, because I did) or that i'd been playing longer. But they didn't
i don't think our friendship would be the same if they had.
we believe that our kids should take their issues up with their coaches. they can then either go along with the coaches direction or they have the right to quit and try something else.
so many parents have no shame in what they will do to further their own interests. Consequently many of the kids are growing up with no pride.
Years ago i played second string behind a kid that i was never going to beat out. he was bigger, faster and stronger. He's still my best friend.
If my parents got involved (they could have made the argument that i worked harder, because I did) or that i'd been playing longer. But they didn't
i don't think our friendship would be the same if they had.
It's all about choices...
Coaching, for the coach anyway, is about as difficult as he/she wants to make it. Major time commitment, low pay, thankless critics, all can add up. It's up to the coach how much they want to realistically produce.
Difficult? Beyond words.
Difficult? Beyond words.