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What happens if...
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:57 pm
by gopherhockey21
What happens if a player goes in on a breakaway and the goalie pushes off the net and it goes off? The Albert Lea goalie last night kept pushing off the net when Mayo got close to a scoring chance and I was wondering what would happen if he did that on a breakaway.
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:13 pm
by pipes3030
Probably just a delay of game penalty.
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:01 pm
by Goldy Gopher
Penalty shot.
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:06 pm
by Roseauverrated
I would guess that if the player is on a clean breakaway when it happens, a penalty shot would be called.
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:21 pm
by lugnutguy21
What if it happens again on the penalty shot???
Re: What happens if...
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:23 pm
by TCQQL
gopherhockey21 wrote:What happens if a player goes in on a breakaway and the goalie pushes off the net and it goes off? The Albert Lea goalie last night kept pushing off the net when Mayo got close to a scoring chance and I was wondering what would happen if he did that on a breakaway.
I have seen Tonkas goalie do the same thing. This must be normal for goalies to try to pull off.
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:29 pm
by HShockeywatcher
Are things like this ever an automatic goal?
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:18 am
by thorhockey
I would imagine an automatic goal - same as if a player was tripped (or similar penalty) on his way to scoring on an empty netter.
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:29 am
by ref101
HShockeywatcher wrote:Are things like this ever an automatic goal?
SECTION 9 DELAYING THE GAME
ART. 1 . . . No player or goalkeeper shall deliberately shoot or bat the puck outside the playing area during play or stoppage of play.
PENALTY: MINOR.
ART. 2 . . . No player shall deliberately hold (freeze) the puck against the
boards, cage or ice with a stick, skate, foot or any other part of the body for the purpose of delaying the game.
PENALTY: MINOR. If goalkeeper out of the privileged area, MINOR.
ART. 3 . . . No player shall deliberately displace a cage.
NOTE: If this illegal act prevents an obvious and imminent goal, AWARD GOAL.
PENALTY: MINOR. If it occurred with less than two minutes remaining in regulation or anytime during overtime, PENALTY SHOT. If this prevented an obvious and imminent goal,
AWARD GOAL.
ART. 4 . . . No players shall delay the game by unnecessarily celebrating after goals, conferring with coaches, players or others, or committing any act for the obvious purpose of “stalling.”
PENALTY: After a team has once been warned for delay, subsequent violations call for a MINOR PENALTY (If more than one player, captain’s choice of players).
ART. 5 . . . No player shall deliberately remove his helmet and/or face mask during play.
PENALTY: MINOR and Misconduct. If during a breakaway, or during the last two minutes of play or anytime during overtime, PENALTY SHOT and
Misconduct.
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:44 am
by lugnutguy21
Off subject but about the helmet thing...... If they are under a certain age don't they have to wear a helmet on the bench???? I have seen many a goalie on the bench while play is going on with their helmets up or off.
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:02 am
by ref101
lugnutguy21 wrote:Off subject but about the helmet thing...... If they are under a certain age don't they have to wear a helmet on the bench???? I have seen many a goalie on the bench while play is going on with their helmets up or off.
ART. 8 . . . All players are required to wear helmets while in the players’ or penalty box.
PENALTY: MISCONDUCT.
also...
ART. 3 . . . All students occupying any exposed bench area shall be required to wear a helmet with a face mask meeting HECC/ASTM standards.
PENALTY: MINOR (captain’s choice of players on ice at time of infraction) after warning to team.
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:20 am
by MNHockeyFan
ref101, thanks for the info, very instructive.
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:07 pm
by SPUDNUT
ref101 wrote:HShockeywatcher wrote:Are things like this ever an automatic goal?
ART. 3 . . . No player shall deliberately displace a cage.
NOTE: If this illegal act prevents an obvious and imminent goal, AWARD GOAL.
PENALTY: MINOR. If it occurred with less than two minutes remaining in regulation or anytime during overtime, PENALTY SHOT. If this prevented an obvious and imminent goal,
AWARD GOAL.
Didn't sound like the one in question was "an obvious and imminent goal", so its just 2:00 for a DELAY ?
Whats the definition of BOARDING these days ? Isn't it just basically CHARGING that occurs against the boards ? Don't see it called very much any more. Are Refs just calling it as CHARGING (or checking from behind) ?
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:25 pm
by ref101
Didn't sound like the one in question was "an obvious and imminent goal", so its just 2:00 for a DELAY ?
Would agree.....
Whats the definition of BOARDING these days ? Isn't it just basically CHARGING that occurs against the boards ? Don't see it called very much any more. Are Refs just calling it as CHARGING (or checking from behind) ?[/quote]
definition....
SECTION 4 BOARD CHECKING
ART. 1 . . . No player shall check, cross-check, elbow, charge or trip an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently into the boards.
PENALTY: MINOR. If flagrant, MAJOR.
ART. 2 . . . If the check causes the player to crash headfirst into the boards, a MAJOR or GAME DISQUALIFICATION penalty must be assessed.
The boarding call is unique because it (initial contact) has to occur away from the boards, but the player has to end up "violently into the boards".
A good solid check could be a Boarding penalty.
As an official, I like the Boarding call only when it's truly a Boarding penalty (somewhat of a rare call). Otherwise, I'll use something else that applies to the infraction.
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:06 pm
by SPUDNUT
ref101 wrote:Didn't sound like the one in question was "an obvious and imminent goal", so its just 2:00 for a DELAY ?
Would agree.....
Whats the definition of BOARDING these days ? Isn't it just basically CHARGING that occurs against the boards ? Don't see it called very much any more. Are Refs just calling it as CHARGING (or checking from behind) ?
definition....
SECTION 4 BOARD CHECKING
ART. 1 . . . No player shall check, cross-check, elbow, charge or trip an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently into the boards.
PENALTY: MINOR. If flagrant, MAJOR.
ART. 2 . . . If the check causes the player to crash headfirst into the boards, a MAJOR or GAME DISQUALIFICATION penalty must be assessed.
The boarding call is unique because it (initial contact) has to occur away from the boards, but the player has to end up "violently into the boards".
A good solid check could be a Boarding penalty.
As an official, I like the Boarding call only when it's truly a Boarding penalty (somewhat of a rare call). Otherwise, I'll use something else that applies to the infraction.[/quote]
Thanx much. Like your attitude - calling something else if its not an obvious board - thats fair. Know a few that would call a major for a trip if they could.