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Slip of the Privates (schools)

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:14 pm
by HSH1212
There has been much talk about the private schools recent dominance in years, and accusations of recruiting. This seems to be the first year in a while, that the private schools (collectively) have taken a hit for returning to state.

Fallen perennial's

*St. Thomas Academy (ends 4 consecutive state tournament run, 2 1st places, 1 3rd place, 1 4th place)
*Duluth Marshall (ends 4 consecutive state tournament run, 3 2nd places, 1 3rd place)
*Blake (ends 3 consecutive state tournament run)
*Benilde-St.Margaret (ends 1 year consecutive at state, 3rd place)

Marshall and STA are the two big falls, since the two have essentially dominated A hockey the last 4-5 years. However, it seemed inevitable that Marshall would lose this year, and STA losing wasn't completely a ridiculous statement.

However, the privates are not falling so quick
Additions this year
Rochester Lourdes
Breck

So this year, 3/8 single a teams with be private...down from 4/8 last year
And, 1/7 AA teams will be private** (1 game still left)...(2/8 last year)


Seems like less of a strangehold this year for the privates. It really is good to see some new teams there this year.

Thoughts? Comments... :?:

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:19 pm
by east hockey
Just a prediction...this topic will not go well.

Over/under on the lock? Image

Lee

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:21 pm
by deacon
So there is 1 less private school at state, possibly two? I wouldn't really call that slipping. There are just different private schools in state that you are not used to seeing.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:22 pm
by elliott70
Everything goes in cycles.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:23 pm
by elliott70
east hockey wrote:Just a prediction...this topic will not go well.

Over/under on the lock? Image

Lee
Lee, Noon tomorrow.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:24 pm
by HSH1212
deacon wrote:So there is 1 less private school at state, possibly two? I wouldn't really call that slipping. There are just different private schools in state that you are not used to seeing.
My point is that there really are no really strong favorites for private schools. Yeah, Lourdes entered, and Hill-Murray might enter, but do they really have much of a chance?

I'm not neccessarly aganist the private schools. It's just a thought.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:28 pm
by stmartin123
Just wait. Next year, the Privates will be back. It is just like the northern teams. The past few years the really have not had a lot of talented teams. But I guarantee they will come back. Like elliot70 said, everything goes in cycles.

Re: Slip of the Privates (schools)

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:09 pm
by defense
HSH1212 wrote:There has been much talk about the private schools recent dominance in years, and accusations of recruiting. This seems to be the first year in a while, that the private schools (collectively) have taken a hit for returning to state.

Fallen perennial's

*St. Thomas Academy (ends 4 consecutive state tournament run, 2 1st places, 1 3rd place, 1 4th place)
*Duluth Marshall (ends 4 consecutive state tournament run, 3 2nd places, 1 3rd place)
*Blake (ends 3 consecutive state tournament run)
*Benilde-St.Margaret (ends 1 year consecutive at state, 3rd place)

Marshall and STA are the two big falls, since the two have essentially dominated A hockey the last 4-5 years. However, it seemed inevitable that Marshall would lose this year, and STA losing wasn't completely a ridiculous statement.

However, the privates are not falling so quick
Additions this year
Rochester Lourdes
Breck

So this year, 3/8 single a teams with be private...down from 4/8 last year
And, 1/7 AA teams will be private** (1 game still left)...(2/8 last year)


Seems like less of a strangehold this year for the privates. It really is good to see some new teams there this year.

Thoughts? Comments... :?:
You got three of them in the state tournement, and Cretin-DH and Hill Murray in the Metro tournement, slip??? possibly, not really though. It is interesting how Hill and Cretin aren't seeded. Breck and Cathedral are seeded in the state tournement though, were the private schools have really taken a foothold. Doing the math, there is ONE less private school playing in the X in March.

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:14 pm
by Goldy23
I for one hate when my privates slip :shock:

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:35 pm
by Rossbury21
I don't think the Private schools are slipping, I just think the communities are sick of losing to them. The only problem with privates is the fact that they lose alot more players to USHL or USNDTP. However I see this year ending with two Public State Champions.

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:54 pm
by SCC2009
SCC
Lourdes
Breck

37.5% of class A is still private, so we are missing good old marshall and STA....thats still pretty impressive, but 62.5% of the teams being private schools would have really made a statement i guess....Cathedral doesn't recruit, they just offer a superior academic experience compared to the public schools in st. cloud. not sure about lourdes...as for breck, that school is just for rich kids whoes parents want to ship them off to boarding school and not see them for a few years isn't it? haha

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:08 pm
by marchmadness
SCC2009 wrote:SCC
Lourdes
Breck

37.5% of class A is still private, so we are missing good old marshall and STA....thats still pretty impressive, but 62.5% of the teams being private schools would have really made a statement i guess....Cathedral doesn't recruit, they just offer a superior academic experience compared to the public schools in st. cloud. not sure about lourdes...as for breck, that school is just for rich kids whoes parents want to ship them off to boarding school and not see them for a few years isn't it? haha
let me guess...from cathedral?
almost every private school's argument is offering a better academic experience.

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:11 pm
by wbmd
Goldy23 wrote:I for one hate when my privates slip :shock:
:lol:

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:14 pm
by pipes3030
SCC2009 wrote:SCC
Lourdes
Breck

37.5% of class A is still private, so we are missing good old marshall and STA....thats still pretty impressive, but 62.5% of the teams being private schools would have really made a statement i guess....Cathedral doesn't recruit, they just offer a superior academic experience compared to the public schools in st. cloud. not sure about lourdes...as for breck, that school is just for rich kids whoes parents want to ship them off to boarding school and not see them for a few years isn't it? haha
Umm Breck is a day school like every other school in the metro. And if you don't think they recruit i have two words: Blake Wheeler

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:31 pm
by Zamman
Why not worry so much if the teams are public or private and reward the teams with some professionalism and good sportsmanship? Let's just have a great tournament. Congratulations to all 16 teams, wherever you come from.

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:18 pm
by Goldy23
SCC2009 wrote:SCC
Lourdes
Breck

37.5% of class A is still private, so we are missing good old marshall and STA....thats still pretty impressive, but 62.5% of the teams being private schools would have really made a statement i guess....Cathedral doesn't recruit, they just offer a superior academic experience compared to the public schools in st. cloud. not sure about lourdes...as for breck, that school is just for rich kids whoes parents want to ship them off to boarding school and not see them for a few years isn't it? haha
Actually, Breck is a very diverse school with kids from all sorts of backgrounds. Not just "rich kids" as more than 30% recieve some sort of financial aid. And no there are NO school athletic scholarships. Great education, great athletics. Go Mustangs and good luck to all!

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:30 pm
by GopherPuck15
Daddy's Money < Taxpayer's money. :o

Go Public Schools. :!:

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:02 am
by bluelineenvy
SCC2009 wrote:SCC
Lourdes
Breck

37.5% of class A is still private, so we are missing good old marshall and STA....thats still pretty impressive, but 62.5% of the teams being private schools would have really made a statement i guess....Cathedral doesn't recruit, they just offer a superior academic experience compared to the public schools in st. cloud. not sure about lourdes...as for breck, that school is just for rich kids whoes parents want to ship them off to boarding school and not see them for a few years isn't it? haha
I'm not pointing fingers or saying names, but I would guess if your a block-head at a public school, and transferred to a {superior academic private school}, you'd still be a block-head.

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:04 am
by DieHardWildFan2
SCC2009 wrote:SCC
Lourdes
Breck

37.5% of class A is still private, so we are missing good old marshall and STA....thats still pretty impressive, but 62.5% of the teams being private schools would have really made a statement i guess....Cathedral doesn't recruit, they just offer a superior academic experience compared to the public schools in st. cloud. not sure about lourdes...as for breck, that school is just for rich kids whoes parents want to ship them off to boarding school and not see them for a few years isn't it? haha
MTV, is a "superior academic experience" compared to St. Cloud Public Schools

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:07 am
by Mistah Hockey
i love chanting against the privates.

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:14 pm
by wbmd
Seems that Breck didn't slip one bit.

Class A

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:42 pm
by stpaul
This makes 8 of the last 11 Class A championships won by private schools. I don't think this is what the small school ADs & coaches had it mind when they pushed for a two class tournament. Congratulations to Breck & Coach Les Larson. A great team.

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:51 pm
by HShockeywatcher
St Thomas misses the tourney and there's still complaining. There's no private school in the AA final and the one that made it to the A final was the #4 seed. Stop complaining they're there and just beat them.

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:56 pm
by wtbearlk1111
Yea let them recruit kids from all over the city, and play in Class A. Privates
belong in their own State Tourney.

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:09 pm
by GopherPuckPlayer
SCC2009 wrote:SCC
Lourdes
Breck

37.5% of class A is still private, so we are missing good old marshall and STA....thats still pretty impressive, but 62.5% of the teams being private schools would have really made a statement i guess....Cathedral doesn't recruit, they just offer a superior academic experience compared to the public schools in st. cloud. not sure about lourdes...as for breck, that school is just for rich kids whoes parents want to ship them off to boarding school and not see them for a few years isn't it? haha

SCC talked to Both Ben H & Jared F when they were younger. So you saying that they don't your are wrong.