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Does anyone know the rules for transfering schools. A player from Prior Lake tried out for Holy Angels and did not make the team. Know he is transfering back to Prior Lake HS and was at the meeting tonight. PL has already had try outs and picked the team, But our new coach Joe Pankratzs is letting him on the team.

Checkerboard wrote:Does anyone know the rules for transfering schools. A player from Prior Lake tried out for Holy Angels and did not make the team. Know he is transfering back to Prior Lake HS and was at the meeting tonight. PL has already had try outs and picked the team, But our new coach Joe Pankratzs is letting him on the team.

JV or varsity?

He tried out for Holy Angels Varsity, not sure if he will play JV or Varsity for PL.

Almost positive he will have to play JV this year and he lost a year of varsity by transferring.

hockeyjunkie2 wrote:Almost positive he will have to play JV this year and he lost a year of varsity by transferring.

If he transfers back then he can play JV without losing anything. Bad attitude though. Because you got cut then you leave. He was not good enough. Try again next year. Remember AHA has over 60 kids trying out for 40 spots.
Saves mom and dad a lot of money though.....

Zamman wrote:

hockeyjunkie2 wrote:Almost positive he will have to play JV this year and he lost a year of varsity by transferring.

If he transfers back then he can play JV without losing anything. Bad attitude though. Because you got cut then you leave. He was not good enough. Try again next year. Remember AHA has over 60 kids trying out for 40 spots.
Saves mom and dad a lot of money though.....

Bad attitude? The kid wants to play the highest level of hockey he can. How is that a bad attitude?

What frustrates me is that he did not participate in PL's tryouts and he is being let on the team.

Checkerboard wrote:What frustrates me is that he did not participate in PL's tryouts and he is being let on the team.

I would say that is more the coaches fault than the kids...

Zamman wrote:

hockeyjunkie2 wrote:Almost positive he will have to play JV this year and he lost a year of varsity by transferring.

If he transfers back then he can play JV without losing anything. Bad attitude though. Because you got cut then you leave. He was not good enough. Try again next year. Remember AHA has over 60 kids trying out for 40 spots.
Saves mom and dad a lot of money though.....

Bad attitude?? is it ok for a coach to cut kids that are clearly talented? what about put seniors on 4th line and never play them when they clearly are good enough and starred the year before??

Bad Attitude is something given for something received.

Coaches have power to play or cut but the kid has no grievance? Coaches are geniuses not to be second guessed?

HS Coaches play more mind games than any i've witnessed, perhaps a kid doesn't fit in, they why not let them move on where they are wanted and accepted.

Stay tuned for further flaws in the MSHSL transfer rules. Transfer rules were set in place to discourage transfering for ATHLETIC reasons. The MSHSL is about to open a huge can of worms in a soon-to-be-decision.

It's cases like this Prior Lake situation that need to be badly addressed. How can a kid start a school year at Holy Angels, get cut, and then enroll immediately at Prior lake and be eligible? Yes, if there is room on the JV, he should be allowed to, if accepted by the coach. But not varsity. But, I also feel the system is flawed that a player can show up in November as a transfer and start playing hockey.

But what happens if you try to transfer as a senior????

Stay tuned..

Goldfishdude wrote:Stay tuned for further flaws in the MSHSL transfer rules. Transfer rules were set in place to discourage transfering for ATHLETIC reasons. The MSHSL is about to open a huge can of worms in a soon-to-be-decision.

It's cases like this Prior Lake situation that need to be badly addressed. How can a kid start a school year at Holy Angels, get cut, and then enroll immediately at Prior lake and be eligible? Yes, if there is room on the JV, he should be allowed to, if accepted by the coach. But not varsity. But, I also feel the system is flawed that a player can show up in November as a transfer and start playing hockey.

But what happens if you try to transfer as a senior????

Stay tuned..

Its all about basketball. Any decision to make a kid ineligible has to have loopholes the size of mount everest to prevent them from being racist, to allow the inner city kids the ability to commit alleged crimes and move next door to play after being kicked out of previous school, especially if its a Mr BBall candidate.

So a bunch of wasp hockey players figure it out and use it big deal, the MSHSL can't close these holes, they would probably violate all sorts of race and gender rules and laws if applied equally.

Senior? Junior? who cares, why discriminate against class year?

Eligibility: 2007-2008 after the big law, 58% of ineligibles win appeals.

Goldfishdude wrote:Stay tuned for further flaws in the MSHSL transfer rules. Transfer rules were set in place to discourage transfering for ATHLETIC reasons. The MSHSL is about to open a huge can of worms in a soon-to-be-decision.

It's cases like this Prior Lake situation that need to be badly addressed. How can a kid start a school year at Holy Angels, get cut, and then enroll immediately at Prior lake and be eligible? Yes, if there is room on the JV, he should be allowed to, if accepted by the coach. But not varsity. But, I also feel the system is flawed that a player can show up in November as a transfer and start playing hockey.

But what happens if you try to transfer as a senior????

Stay tuned..

What decision?

Juniors can transfer and be eligible to play JV, then come back and try out for varsity senior year.

Senior transfers apparently can transfer without penalty.

hockey99vs87 wrote:

Goldfishdude wrote:Stay tuned for further flaws in the MSHSL transfer rules. Transfer rules were set in place to discourage transfering for ATHLETIC reasons. The MSHSL is about to open a huge can of worms in a soon-to-be-decision.

It's cases like this Prior Lake situation that need to be badly addressed. How can a kid start a school year at Holy Angels, get cut, and then enroll immediately at Prior lake and be eligible? Yes, if there is room on the JV, he should be allowed to, if accepted by the coach. But not varsity. But, I also feel the system is flawed that a player can show up in November as a transfer and start playing hockey.

But what happens if you try to transfer as a senior????

Stay tuned..

What decision?

The ruling has not come down even as of today on this would-be-transfer.

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Goldfishdude wrote:

hockey99vs87 wrote:

Goldfishdude wrote:Stay tuned for further flaws in the MSHSL transfer rules. Transfer rules were set in place to discourage transfering for ATHLETIC reasons. The MSHSL is about to open a huge can of worms in a soon-to-be-decision.

It's cases like this Prior Lake situation that need to be badly addressed. How can a kid start a school year at Holy Angels, get cut, and then enroll immediately at Prior lake and be eligible? Yes, if there is room on the JV, he should be allowed to, if accepted by the coach. But not varsity. But, I also feel the system is flawed that a player can show up in November as a transfer and start playing hockey.

But what happens if you try to transfer as a senior????

Stay tuned..

What decision?

The ruling has not come down even as of today on this would-be-transfer.

Goldfish, being a fellow WBL fan, several WB Footballers transferred and were immediately eligible, correct? They didn't all just happen to move?

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PowerForward25 wrote:

Zamman wrote:

hockeyjunkie2 wrote:Almost positive he will have to play JV this year and he lost a year of varsity by transferring.

If he transfers back then he can play JV without losing anything. Bad attitude though. Because you got cut then you leave. He was not good enough. Try again next year. Remember AHA has over 60 kids trying out for 40 spots.
Saves mom and dad a lot of money though.....

Bad attitude? The kid wants to play the highest level of hockey he can. How is that a bad attitude?

My bad, I should have explained more or used better choice of words. I am sure the player does not have a bad attitude. Look at this from a different point of view. Not necessarily the kids.... You get cut from one team then go back to another. Why would you expect to be able to go back and play at a different school. I guess I would have tried to get on a bantam team then try again next year. I know the bantams are all picked, but I also think you can still get on a team.
I apologize to the player cut, what I said was terrible. I usually say something stupid once a year.... I wish him good luck and to not look down on the AHA program and coaches. I can say that I know he is a better player than I ever was and I know I would not have made the team.

Faceguard79 wrote:

Zamman wrote:

hockeyjunkie2 wrote:Almost positive he will have to play JV this year and he lost a year of varsity by transferring.

If he transfers back then he can play JV without losing anything. Bad attitude though. Because you got cut then you leave. He was not good enough. Try again next year. Remember AHA has over 60 kids trying out for 40 spots.
Saves mom and dad a lot of money though.....

This is the new society, never face the fact that your kid was beat out by better kids and actually allow him to learn something. No, screw some other kid who worked hard to make the team he wanted to make out of icetime by weaseling your kid onto another team.

Hockey is such a BS political cesspool of aholes. Sorry, kind of bitter right now.

Yes it is, but so are other sports and many coaches play a big part, so does MSHSL, they promote the Grand Stage. Want fair, go to Cuba. Is it fair then for a kid to play varsity of a year or two and then get cut as a senior, simply one coaches decision, that affects the kids life.

I say let it be a free for all and the best player plays where ever he's accepted.

HShockeyz wrote:

Faceguard79 wrote:

Zamman wrote: If he transfers back then he can play JV without losing anything. Bad attitude though. Because you got cut then you leave. He was not good enough. Try again next year. Remember AHA has over 60 kids trying out for 40 spots.
Saves mom and dad a lot of money though.....

This is the new society, never face the fact that your kid was beat out by better kids and actually allow him to learn something. No, screw some other kid who worked hard to make the team he wanted to make out of icetime by weaseling your kid onto another team.

Hockey is such a BS political cesspool of aholes. Sorry, kind of bitter right now.

Yes it is, but so are other sports and many coaches play a big part, so does MSHSL, they promote the Grand Stage. Want fair, go to Cuba. Is it fair then for a kid to play varsity of a year or two and then get cut as a senior, simply one coaches decision, that affects the kids life.

I say let it be a free for all and the best player plays where ever he's accepted.

I'm with you. Hope more kids transfer and win, and push their arrogance down their throats. Isn't this the same group that wants fewer hockey games? and kids are leaving for more? Two elite leagues started to offset their desire to choke the athlete. Sports is big business, many kids are focusing on one sport. Did i mention sports is big business? Apparently they don't realize sports is big business, until they start looking for marketing partners and advertisers for State tourney, then they remember, its business.

HShockeyz wrote:

Goldfishdude wrote:

hockey99vs87 wrote: What decision?

The ruling has not come down even as of today on this would-be-transfer.

Goldfish, being a fellow WBL fan, several WB Footballers transferred and were immediately eligible, correct? They didn't all just happen to move?

Let me get one thing clear. I am a supporter of and parent of my son in good times, and now, difficult times - and I am a financial contributor to the program- only!!! I wouldn't call me a fan, as I could care less if they win or lose.

So, whatever strings the AD, who is also the football coach, pulls, is his business.

Goldfishdude wrote:

HShockeyz wrote:

Goldfishdude wrote: The ruling has not come down even as of today on this would-be-transfer.

Goldfish, being a fellow WBL fan, several WB Footballers transferred and were immediately eligible, correct? They didn't all just happen to move?

Let me get one thing clear. I am a supporter of and parent of my son in good times, and now, difficult times - and I am a financial contributor to the program- only!!! I wouldn't call me a fan, as I could care less if they win or lose.

So, whatever strings the AD, who is also the football coach, pulls, is his business.

Well, now wouldn't it be something if a kid was eligible by all rules and the AD didn't pull strings and it wasn't football??? There are 100+ pages of rules and if a kid is eligible, then so be it. Why the fuss, who cares senior or freshman, does it matter. If a kid is fairly eligible by the current rules that an army of attorneys wrote, who cares, then he should play.

Why doesn't the AD just apply the rules fairly, fball or hockey or anything else, wouldn't that be the right thing to do. If the kid is cleared to play then so be it. What does the AD have to do with it anyway? and why pull strings? I don't care to read the 100+ but wouldn't it be obvious to those applying the rules, AD and league?

hockey99vs87 wrote:

Goldfishdude wrote:

HShockeyz wrote: Goldfish, being a fellow WBL fan, several WB Footballers transferred and were immediately eligible, correct? They didn't all just happen to move?

Let me get one thing clear. I am a supporter of and parent of my son in good times, and now, difficult times - and I am a financial contributor to the program- only!!! I wouldn't call me a fan, as I could care less if they win or lose.

So, whatever strings the AD, who is also the football coach, pulls, is his business.

Well, now wouldn't it be something if a kid was eligible by all rules and the AD didn't pull strings and it wasn't football??? There are 100+ pages of rules and if a kid is eligible, then so be it. Why the fuss, who cares senior or freshman, does it matter. If a kid is fairly eligible by the current rules that an army of attorneys wrote, who cares, then he should play.

Sounds like what your saying is it isn't ok for a kid to transfer, even if legit under the rules, unless its football and doesn't involve your kid? Is it ok for the AD to "pull strings" as long as your kid isn't affected?

Okay.. If someone with logic knows what the INTENT of the transfer rules are designed to benefit and/or discourage, please feel free to offer your knowledge. Why are there rules in place? Like in many legal situations, one has to clearly DEFINE INTENT..... What INTENT did the MSHSL have when transfer rules were put in place.