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There have been a number of threads here dealing with the issue of phantom points scored. For the first time, I witnessed it happening. Score tied in the 3rd period 1-1, Welinski takes shot from point, Lutzka gathers rebound shoots, goalie saves and Nolan Meyer pops in the rebound for the GWG. Scorer announces Meyer as goal scorer, with assists to Welinski and Lutzka. Great play - great goal.

Check this mornings Duluth paper DE vs FL game summary, and find Welinski's name has disappeared, and Peewee Randolph magically appears to get the second assist on Meyers goal. Wait a minute, Peewee wasn't even on the ice! How can this be? There's no way the scorer or the ref's mixed up Welinski and Randolph - one is 6' 1", the other is 5'6".

Phantom points? Alive and well at DE, FYI.

The ref could have misread the number, or there could have been another mistake. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it was a phantom.

When is something an assist and where is the line drawn?

In some way, everyone who touches the puck and does everything from the time the puck is dropped until it goes in assists in it getting to that point. From the sounds of it, here two individual players simply shot on their own, missed and someone else got the puck and scored, not two players passing making a play and getting it to the goal scorer. The fact that assists were given at all seems mysterious to me.

But that goes back to my original question. What is the intent of assists as a stat? Is it to give stats to the last person, or two, who touched the puck, or is it to give credit to people who were actually involved in a play that created a goal?

Thanks

HShockeywatcher wrote:When is something an assist and where is the line drawn?

In some way, everyone who touches the puck and does everything from the time the puck is dropped until it goes in assists in it getting to that point. From the sounds of it, here two individual players simply shot on their own, missed and someone else got the puck and scored, not two players passing making a play and getting it to the goal scorer. The fact that assists were given at all seems mysterious to me.

But that goes back to my original question. What is the intent of assists as a stat? Is it to give stats to the last person, or two, who touched the puck, or is it to give credit to people who were actually involved in a play that created a goal?

Thanks

Assists are just as important as goals. Obviously without them there would be very few goals in a game. One part of a player's game I look at is their play-making ability. A lot of players can score, out of those, how many can be consistent play makers as well?

This is terrible! Boys, get the torches and pitchforks. Something must be done here and now!!!

Lee

starmvp wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote:When is something an assist and where is the line drawn?

In some way, everyone who touches the puck and does everything from the time the puck is dropped until it goes in assists in it getting to that point. From the sounds of it, here two individual players simply shot on their own, missed and someone else got the puck and scored, not two players passing making a play and getting it to the goal scorer. The fact that assists were given at all seems mysterious to me.

But that goes back to my original question. What is the intent of assists as a stat? Is it to give stats to the last person, or two, who touched the puck, or is it to give credit to people who were actually involved in a play that created a goal?

Thanks

Assists are just as important as goals. Obviously without them there would be very few goals in a game. One part of a player's game I look at is their play-making ability. A lot of players can score, out of those, how many can be consistent play makers as well?

I completely agree that assists are just as important as goals, in many cases they're more important.

That being said, there is a huge difference between player 1 who's a play maker, who gets their teammates involved, sets them up for goals and passes them the puck and player2 who simply shoots for themselves a lot, misses and gets assists because someone else got their rebound and scored.

And there is a long line, with a slippery slope between player 1 and player 2.

I have received comments via PM from one person which are helpful, just curious what others have to say.

Nonamer,
I was amazed at the amount of ice the "sophomore" logs for east. Nice to have someone looking out for you! I know a couple years ago at bantams "that kid" did not get all the special teams play he currently logs. Oh yes, he must have developed ahead of the juniors and senior group (right)!

east hockey wrote:This is terrible! Boys, get the torches and pitchforks. Something must be done here and now!!!

Lee

Actually, according to the game sheet, both you and the paper are wrong.

GWG: 13:15 Duluth East - Nolan Meyer
Assists: Kyle Lutzka , Jayce Paulseth

Looks like the paper messed up. Definitely worth creating a topic for!

And the announcer had a third opinion - WHAT, is all I can say. Nice cover to those of you offering your opinions...

I was at the game, I watched the play.

I don't really care who gets the assist, except that I find it odd for a player to score a point when he's on the bench. I find it particularly odd that the coach's son is the one getting the point, while he's sitting on the bench.

I guess at the end of the day, we are all "hockey dads"

True, although it's tougher to be a hockey dad some days than others.

Whatever...the beat goes on.

I don't really care who gets the assist, except that I find it odd for a player to score a point when he's on the bench. ...


And what I'm saying is that no player is awarded a point just because their local paper mistakingly prints their name. Refer to the official game sheet if you're concerned about stats. They are all posted on the internet and the only way for a player to receive a point.

Thanks for the clarification, Rudy. Any idea where the newspaper would've found their information? Apparently they didn't check the game sheet either.

Would hope the bigger picture is part of your perspective regarding this matter, in any case.

Would hope the bigger picture is part of your perspective regarding this matter, in any case.[/quote]

nonamer- you're all over it.

Here is information I received regarding the posting of scoring, etc.

Home teams are responsible for entering the game summary into the MN Hockey Hub website. Once the game has been posted, the media and everyone else can view the score sheet. All high school teams have a rep. with access to the site to edit the game sheet once it has been posted. In the case of last night’s game, the Forest Lake rep had both of our goals wrong…they gave an assist to Zac Schendel on the first goal when it was Kevin Brazerol who made the pass to Jay Amato who passed to Troy Olson. On our second goal, they gave one assist to Andy Welinski when it should have been Jayce Paulseth. The Duluth News Tribune got the score sheet from MN Hockey Hub before I made my changes (I didn’t enter the changes until after 12:30 AM).

This matter is closed. As for the Peewee Randolph crap, Nonamer, you crossed the line...again. I'm not surprised by this. Figured it was just a matter of time before you found you couldn't resist attacking someone from the East squad, be it a coach or a player. Grow up.

Lee