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We all agree Tartan will Beat Duluth East but by how much?

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:13 am
by titanzdman
What will the final score be when Tartan finishes beating Duluth East today? My guess is 11 to 1 8)

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:27 am
by wblhockeyfan8
So young, so naive. :roll:

Team without a city-0 Team with a city-4

Jenetta with a SO.

Re: We all agree Tartan will Beat Duluth East but by how muc

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:28 am
by wbmd
titanzdman wrote:What will the final score be when Tartan finishes beating Duluth East today? My guess is 11 to 1 8)
Do we all agree? I certainly don't.

You might have the score correct, however, I sure don't see Duluth East losing this game.

Re: We all agree Tartan will Beat Duluth East but by how muc

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:17 pm
by karl(east)
titanzdman wrote:What will the final score be when Tartan finishes beating Duluth East today? My guess is 11 to 1 8)
Are you perhaps confusing Duluth East with Duluth Marshall?

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:31 pm
by codyy33
Are you perhaps confusing Duluth East with Duluth Marshall?


hahahahaha

Tartan - Duluth East

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:03 pm
by stpaul
Has Tartan scored 11 goals all season?

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:49 pm
by MNHockey75
Prediction:

Tartan - 1
East - 3

Re: Tartan - Duluth East

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:59 pm
by Pioneerprideguy
stpaul wrote:Has Tartan scored 11 goals all season?
Are you including the zero they scored in two games against the Pioneers?

Re: We all agree Tartan will Beat Duluth East but by how muc

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:56 pm
by east hockey
titanzdman wrote:What will the final score be when Tartan finishes beating Duluth East today? My guess is 11 to 1 8)
Cool, you're back! Don't recall seeing you post since that little Johnson upset last season. Welcome. :mrgreen:

East by two. Good luck....errr....better luck in the playoffs this season.

Lee

Re: We all agree Tartan will Beat Duluth East but by how muc

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:59 pm
by MNHockey75
east hockey wrote:
titanzdman wrote:What will the final score be when Tartan finishes beating Duluth East today? My guess is 11 to 1 8)
Cool, you're back! Don't recall seeing you post since that little Johnson upset last season. Welcome. :mrgreen:

East by two. Good luck....errr....better luck in the playoffs this season.

Lee
:lol: :-({|=

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:35 pm
by brandy38
good work with the usual Tartan overconfidence =D>

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:27 pm
by EHSHack
East 2-1 OT. Brazerol with 2.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:48 pm
by east hockey
EHSHack wrote:East 2-1 OT. Brazerol with 2.
Whew! Was wondering which condiment would make the crow go down a little easier.

Hold the crow...pass the cake. :mrgreen:

Lee

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:31 pm
by karl(east)
east hockey wrote:
EHSHack wrote:East 2-1 OT. Brazerol with 2.
Whew! Was wondering which condiment would make the crow go down a little easier.

Hold the crow...pass the cake. :mrgreen:

Lee
:lol:

I thought they'd figured out the scoring issue. Dare I even ask what the shots were?

On to sections. Should be an interesting ride, to say the least. If they can't put the puck in the net, it will be a very short postseason no matter who they end up playing. But they've shown they can run with anyone. We'll see which team shows up.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:38 pm
by east hockey
Shots were 41-23 in favor of East. Each team had nine shots in the first, eight shots in the second. East stepped it up, outshooting Tartan 18-5 in the third and 6-1 in OT.

Lee

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:40 pm
by Goldfishdude
I have been waiting for Tartan's Alex Gierke to steal a big game. He almost did. For us 4AA folk, I have been defending Tartan as a legit #3 seed, and if they beat East a slim chance at #2.

Right now, if Tartan does get the #3 seed, I look for them to beat WBL.

For the East faithful, my favorite northern team has got to be one of the most snake-bitten teams around. I don't know if there is any team in the state right now that gets as many SOG with such little scoring as East does. It seems as though the team scoring percentage is like 5%. One would like about 10%-15%.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:00 pm
by east hockey
Goldfishdude wrote:I have been waiting for Tartan's Alex Gierke to steal a big game. He almost did. For us 4AA folk, I have been defending Tartan as a legit #3 seed, and if they beat East a slim chance at #2.

Right now, if Tartan does get the #3 seed, I look for them to beat WBL.

For the East faithful, my favorite northern team has got to be one of the most snake-bitten teams around. I don't know if there is any team in the state right now that gets as many SOG with such little scoring as East does. It seems as though the team scoring percentage is like 5%. One would like about 10%-15%.
Last time I updated the team stats (three games ago), they were scoring on 10.5% of their shots, exactly the same percentage as their opponents. They were outshooting their opponents by a 3:2 margin on the season, so their scoring was the same 3:2 margin. I don't know what the past three games did to those percentages...if I get the chance to update tonight, I will.

Lee

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:12 pm
by karl(east)
east hockey wrote:
Goldfishdude wrote:I have been waiting for Tartan's Alex Gierke to steal a big game. He almost did. For us 4AA folk, I have been defending Tartan as a legit #3 seed, and if they beat East a slim chance at #2.

Right now, if Tartan does get the #3 seed, I look for them to beat WBL.

For the East faithful, my favorite northern team has got to be one of the most snake-bitten teams around. I don't know if there is any team in the state right now that gets as many SOG with such little scoring as East does. It seems as though the team scoring percentage is like 5%. One would like about 10%-15%.
Last time I updated the team stats (three games ago), they were scoring on 10.5% of their shots, exactly the same percentage as their opponents. They were outshooting their opponents by a 3:2 margin on the season, so their scoring was the same 3:2 margin. I don't know what the past three games did to those percentages...if I get the chance to update tonight, I will.

Lee
Interesting...I'd be curious to see how that compares to past years.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:17 pm
by east hockey
karl(east) wrote:
east hockey wrote:
Goldfishdude wrote:I have been waiting for Tartan's Alex Gierke to steal a big game. He almost did. For us 4AA folk, I have been defending Tartan as a legit #3 seed, and if they beat East a slim chance at #2.

Right now, if Tartan does get the #3 seed, I look for them to beat WBL.

For the East faithful, my favorite northern team has got to be one of the most snake-bitten teams around. I don't know if there is any team in the state right now that gets as many SOG with such little scoring as East does. It seems as though the team scoring percentage is like 5%. One would like about 10%-15%.
Last time I updated the team stats (three games ago), they were scoring on 10.5% of their shots, exactly the same percentage as their opponents. They were outshooting their opponents by a 3:2 margin on the season, so their scoring was the same 3:2 margin. I don't know what the past three games did to those percentages...if I get the chance to update tonight, I will.

Lee
Interesting...I'd be curious to see how that compares to past years.
Gonna make me work tonight, aren't ya? :mrgreen:

Lee

East scoring %; past years

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:25 pm
by east hockey
First number is East's scoring %, second is their opponents:

2009-10: 10.6/10.8 (updated through today)
2008-09: 12.0/10.3
2007-08: 10.8/9.7
2006-07: 11.8/7.4 (Ben Leis senior year)
2005-06: 13.1/8.8
2004-05: don't have shot totals
2003-04: don't have shot totals
2002-03: don't have shot totals
2001-02: 12.4/12.4 (incomplete SOG for that season)
2000-01: 13.5/10.0

Just for comparison, in their last two championship seasons:

1994-95: 19.5/11.8
1997-98: 17.4/9.0

Lee

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:27 pm
by Goldfishdude
east hockey wrote:
Goldfishdude wrote:I have been waiting for Tartan's Alex Gierke to steal a big game. He almost did. For us 4AA folk, I have been defending Tartan as a legit #3 seed, and if they beat East a slim chance at #2.

Right now, if Tartan does get the #3 seed, I look for them to beat WBL.

For the East faithful, my favorite northern team has got to be one of the most snake-bitten teams around. I don't know if there is any team in the state right now that gets as many SOG with such little scoring as East does. It seems as though the team scoring percentage is like 5%. One would like about 10%-15%.
Last time I updated the team stats (three games ago), they were scoring on 10.5% of their shots, exactly the same percentage as their opponents. They were outshooting their opponents by a 3:2 margin on the season, so their scoring was the same 3:2 margin. I don't know what the past three games did to those percentages...if I get the chance to update tonight, I will.

Lee
Do you normally follow those stats, Lee, or were you thinking like I was? 10.5% is "ok"!!! I used that as a barometer that a goalie's goal is .900 Save %, and .850 is average, so that computes to 15% scoring.

So a 3/2 margin is pretty significant. To outshoot an opponent a margin like 30-20 every game is borderline dominant.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:32 pm
by east hockey
Goldfishdude wrote:
east hockey wrote:
Goldfishdude wrote:I have been waiting for Tartan's Alex Gierke to steal a big game. He almost did. For us 4AA folk, I have been defending Tartan as a legit #3 seed, and if they beat East a slim chance at #2.

Right now, if Tartan does get the #3 seed, I look for them to beat WBL.

For the East faithful, my favorite northern team has got to be one of the most snake-bitten teams around. I don't know if there is any team in the state right now that gets as many SOG with such little scoring as East does. It seems as though the team scoring percentage is like 5%. One would like about 10%-15%.
Last time I updated the team stats (three games ago), they were scoring on 10.5% of their shots, exactly the same percentage as their opponents. They were outshooting their opponents by a 3:2 margin on the season, so their scoring was the same 3:2 margin. I don't know what the past three games did to those percentages...if I get the chance to update tonight, I will.

Lee
Do you normally follow those stats, Lee, or were you thinking like I was? 10.5% is "ok"!!! I used that as a barometer that a goalie's goal is .900 Save %, and .850 is average, so that computes to 15% scoring.

So a 3/2 margin is pretty significant. To outshoot an opponent a margin like 30-20 every game is borderline dominant.
I've (nearly always) collected the stats, but never put them out there in a format such as this so we could see how the seasons compare. More to it than SOG, of course. In their 94-95 season, a ton of those were breakaways and odd-man rushes thanks to the D feeding Spehar, Locker and whoever was lucky enough to be on their line that particular night. Hence the incredibly high scoring percentage. It's of note that, during that season, their opponents scored on a higher % of shots than this year. Doesn't matter when you're being outshot by a 38.0/18.2 margin. Ledingham struggled that season...until the Jefferson game, that is. :mrgreen:

Lee

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:43 pm
by karl(east)
east hockey wrote:Gonna make me work tonight, aren't ya? :mrgreen:

Lee
Gotta find some way to keep you out of trouble on a Saturday night (says the college kid). :D

Very interesting numbers, though...sure makes you appreciate the scoring ability on those championship teams, and just how good Ben Leis was, too.

Also puts this year's struggles to score into perspective, too, though not in a very positive way.

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:45 pm
by Goldfishdude
That's pretty interesting on how unique and/or simple the game of hockey can be - how the scoring % can be so similar to the point that it just goes to show you the more rubber you can put on goal versus the opponents generally means you will win the game.

The margin difference between East in the championship seasons is outlandish.

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:57 am
by wblhockeyfan8
karl(east) wrote:
east hockey wrote:Gonna make me work tonight, aren't ya? :mrgreen:

Lee
Gotta find some way to keep you out of trouble on a Saturday night (says the college kid). :D

Very interesting numbers, though...sure makes you appreciate the scoring ability on those championship teams, and just how good Ben Leis was, too.

Also puts this year's struggles to score into perspective, too, though not in a very positive way.
Don't kid yourself Karl, catholic school kids stay home on the weekends!

We all know that! :wink: