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What are everyone's thoughts on seniors not being played, even for a few shifts, during state tourney games - just for the sake of winning?

hockeycrazy wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on seniors not being played, even for a few shifts, during state tourney games - just for the sake of winning?

This is just my opinion and I will probably get a lot of crap from people on here for saying this but the State tournament is not a time to make sure that every kid gets on the ice. State tournament should be to put the best team on the ice for the oppurtunity to win it. Maybe the blow-out games during the year is a good time to make sure everyone gets some icetime but if/when you make it to State you better put the team you think will give you the best chance to win! Just my opinion.

hockeycrazy wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on seniors not being played, even for a few shifts, during state tourney games - just for the sake of winning?

Isn't that what Senior Night is for? The object in the tournament is to win, not to make the seniors feel good about themselves.

hockeycrazy wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on seniors not being played, even for a few shifts, during state tourney games - just for the sake of winning?

The State tourney is not the place to make sure that seniors get playing time BUT I do think that it should be possible for every coach to get kids on for at least one shift so they can say they played.

If a kid isn't good enough to skate 30 seconds without causing a problem the coach shouldn't have taken him on the team in the first place.

[quote="seek & destroy"][quote="hockeycrazy"]What are everyone's thoughts on seniors not being played, even for a few shifts, during state tourney games - just for the sake of winning? [/quote]

The State tourney is not the place to make sure that seniors get playing time BUT I do think that it should be possible for every coach to get kids on for at least one shift so they can say they played.

If a kid isn't good enough to skate 30 seconds without causing a problem the coach shouldn't have taken him on the team in the first place.[/quote]

You are there to win. Not to worry about egos. Coach plays who he thinks will get him there.

Enjoy having the best seat and be happy you are not in the fan section.

Welcome to life my friend.

I have had the pleasure (in days of yore) of sitting on the bench the entire game while my team lost in the championship game.

Thanks for bringing up the memory.

hockeycrazy wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on seniors not being played, even for a few shifts, during state tourney games - just for the sake of winning?

I'll bet New Ulm's senior boys got on the ice.

Coaching decision, plain and simple.

My opinion is if a senior does not make the top 3 lines he should be cut. Why put him on the 4th line when you could develop an underclassman that will help you in the furture..

[quote="ssppuck"]My opinion is if a senior does not make the top 3 lines he should be cut. Why put him on the 4th line when you could develop an underclassman that will help you in the furture..[/quote]

maybe because the senior is better than the underclassman, it should be the best kids someone shouldn't get cut or get played because of their grade.

this is the state tournament, thousands of people including scouts are watching. It's not time to make sure that little johnny gets his playing time. if a senior doesn't play it's because he's not good enough.

. I watched this happen before. 2 seniors sat during the state tournement. Then the following year there were 3 seniors cut. And I believe it made the team better that year and the year after.

slapshot445 wrote:

ssppuck wrote:My opinion is if a senior does not make the top 3 lines he should be cut. Why put him on the 4th line when you could develop an underclassman that will help you in the furture..

maybe because the senior is better than the underclassman, it should be the best kids someone shouldn't get cut or get played because of their grade.

this is the state tournament, thousands of people including scouts are watching. It's not time to make sure that little johnny gets his playing time. if a senior doesn't play it's because he's not good enough.

[quote="ssppuck"]. I watched this happen before. 2 seniors sat during the state tournement. Then the following year there were 3 seniors cut. And I believe it made the team better that year and the year after.

[quote="slapshot445"][quote="ssppuck"]My opinion is if a senior does not make the top 3 lines he should be cut. Why put him on the 4th line when you could develop an underclassman that will help you in the furture..[/quote]

maybe because the senior is better than the underclassman, it should be the best kids someone shouldn't get cut or get played because of their grade.

this is the state tournament, thousands of people including scouts are watching. It's not time to make sure that little johnny gets his playing time. if a senior doesn't play it's because he's not good enough.[/quote][/quote]



well then shame on that coach he did a disservice to those kids who earned their spot

Why did he do a disservice to those kids. If the underclassmen are just as good as the seniors why not get them up to gain some expeirence. It is all about winning when you get to that level. Don't keep a kid around just because he earned it. If he gets outplayed during tryouts so be it.

I will rephrase this question since the OP must be a bleeding heart "there are no losers" type of person. A number of years ago Randolph cut a senior goalie after they made state so an underclassman could gain experience. Peoples thoughts?

That is wrong. A team is made at the beginning of the season. Once on the team your there unless your kicked off for disciplinary reasons.

EHSHack wrote:I will rephrase this question since the OP must be a bleeding heart "there are no losers" type of person. A number of years ago Randolph cut a senior goalie after they made state so an underclassman could gain experience. Peoples thoughts?

seek & destroy wrote:

hockeycrazy wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on seniors not being played, even for a few shifts, during state tourney games - just for the sake of winning?

The State tourney is not the place to make sure that seniors get playing time BUT I do think that it should be possible for every coach to get kids on for at least one shift so they can say they played.

If a kid isn't good enough to skate 30 seconds without causing a problem the coach shouldn't have taken him on the team in the first place.

i definitely agree with your last statement...plus all the coach would need to do is shuffle the 3rd line a bit and throw him on a wing for that 30 seconds...

Or else start him then come off right after the puck drop...HA

ssppuck wrote:That is wrong. A team is made at the beginning of the season. Once on the team your there unless your kicked off for disciplinary reasons.

EHSHack wrote:I will rephrase this question since the OP must be a bleeding heart "there are no losers" type of person. A number of years ago Randolph cut a senior goalie after they made state so an underclassman could gain experience. Peoples thoughts?

That is definitely not wrong.

Goldy Gopher wrote:

ssppuck wrote:That is wrong. A team is made at the beginning of the season. Once on the team your there unless your kicked off for disciplinary reasons.

EHSHack wrote:I will rephrase this question since the OP must be a bleeding heart "there are no losers" type of person. A number of years ago Randolph cut a senior goalie after they made state so an underclassman could gain experience. Peoples thoughts?

That is definitely not wrong.

Not Wrong!

These are 17 year old kids and a lot can develop during their senior year. Some kids get burned out, some stay the same and some can actually be borderline JV progressing to a top player by tourney time.

ssppuck it is not all black and white sometimes a coaching staff will stick with some player because they know/hope they develop during the season. Seniors can help just as much as underclassman and sometimes more when called upon.

[quote="ssppuck"]Why did he do a disservice to those kids. If the underclassmen are just as good as the seniors why not get them up to gain some expeirence. It is all about winning when you get to that level. Don't keep a kid around just because he earned it. If he gets outplayed during tryouts so be it.[/quote]

dont keep a kid around even if he earned it???? EVEN IF HE EARNED IT???? ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!! if the kid earns a roster spot talent wise then he should be on the team no matter what

[quote="ssppuck"]That is wrong. A team is made at the beginning of the season. Once on the team your there unless your kicked off for disciplinary reasons.

[quote="EHSHack"]I will rephrase this question since the OP must be a bleeding heart "there are no losers" type of person. A number of years ago Randolph cut a senior goalie after they made state so an underclassman could gain experience. Peoples thoughts?[/quote][/quote]


that's not even close to correct, this isn't peewees. in high school kids get moved up and down from jv to varsity all the time, and not just for disciplinary reasons.

ssppuck wrote:My opinion is if a senior does not make the top 3 lines he should be cut. Why put him on the 4th line when you could develop an underclassman that will help you in the furture..

seek & destroy wrote:If a kid isn't good enough to skate 30 seconds without causing a problem the coach shouldn't have taken him on the team in the first place.

Agree 100% with these coments. Basically a senior on a state tourny caliber team should be able to make the top 3 lines. If he can't he shouldn't be on the team. Also if said senior is on the team he SHOULD ABSOLUTELY get ONE DAMN SHIFT on state tourny ice because he HAS EARNED IT!