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That time of year again. Please post your model camp rosters here if you have them.

Must be top secret this year

Team #10 Model Camp

Alex Ach
Brandon Anderson
Justin Brown
Ryan Bullock
Donald Chute
Chase Cvancara
Anders Franke
Alexander Glockner
Ryan Jaremko
Tyler Jokinen
Jake Larson
Reed Mandel
Keegan O'Connor
George Ordway
Nicolas Oxton
Parker Reno
Jared Thomas
Nick Turbitt

flatontheice wrote:That time of year again. Please post your model camp rosters here if you have them.

Opted not to register this year. Cost vs Value Ratio is lopsided.

The Value vs Cost was not there. Definitely showed last year....

It was much better two years ago with stronger players. It has become watered down

Just my two cents.

As of this posting, the link below shows last year's rosters. It looks like a pretty generic URL though, so I imagine they might recycle it...

http://www.luciacamps.com/rosters.php

CrashDaNET wrote:

flatontheice wrote:That time of year again. Please post your model camp rosters here if you have them.

Opted not to register this year. Cost vs Value Ratio is lopsided.

The Value vs Cost was not there. Definitely showed last year....

It was much better two years ago with stronger players. It has become watered down

Just my two cents.

Like it seems with all good things, the temptation to 'water' down is done more often then not by the people who come up with great ideas and then give in to adding more players. Two big factors contribute to that.

1) greed of people running things (the more kids we get signed up the more money we make)

2) parents need/desire to have their player feel like they are on their way to the NHL by being included in an 'elite' camp or with the top players.

Put those factors together and you have the recipe for watered down programs and Minnesota has a lot of them. It seems that the more we want every kid to be included and 'get the trophy' the more things have become diluted.

Some of these big training programs started out with the best of the best players but then management, seeing huge demand from crazed parents who wanted their player included in the 'good' group, started letting everyone in that had a check that would clear the bank. More people are happy now because their kid is "in" but the overall program is weaker because they lowered their standards (but the owners are very happy !!). Marketing the program has become more important then what they actually do on the ice. The big carrot is dangling out there and we are all chasing it.

Junior hockey tryouts, AAA programs, Elite league tryouts, FHIT, Model Camp and many other programs have become more fundraisers and money makers then anything else. Parents are willing to write the checks so you can't fault the programs for wanting to take the money but it has diluted what is actually happening on the ice.

Xposure should have no more than 6-8 teams with 15 skaters per team. Model Camp should go back to the old days: a showcase for just the top players - not 12 teams loaded with 16-18 skaters who had the money to pay. But, they won't make as much money doing that so it will probably add more teams before they take some away.

seek & destroy wrote:Model Camp should go back to the old days

When were these "old days" that you seem fond of?

Gopher Blog wrote:

seek & destroy wrote:Model Camp should go back to the old days

When were these "old days" that you seem fond of?

Your "Mr. Gopher" so you should know but my understanding is that back when the Model Camps were first started (perhaps under a different name) they did not include quite so many players in the camp.

If my information is wrong, I apologize but I still stand by my initial premise that too many of these programs have been diluted by trying to allow more and more people to attend rather than limiting it to only the top players.

seek & destroy wrote:

Gopher Blog wrote:

seek & destroy wrote:Model Camp should go back to the old days

When were these "old days" that you seem fond of?

Your "Mr. Gopher" so you should know but my understanding is that back when the Model Camps were first started (perhaps under a different name) they did not include quite so many players in the camp.

If my information is wrong, I apologize but I still stand by my initial premise that too many of these programs have been diluted by trying to allow more and more people to attend rather than limiting it to only the top players.

Well, I didn't attend the camp in the very, very early days but I have gone to the camp for well over the last 10+ years and the size has pretty much stayed status quo. It's not like they shifted from 100 kids to 200+ kids a few years ago. It has been that way for a while and the quality (for summer scrimmage hockey mind you) has generally been very good over that time.

Someone directly involved said you send in the form and you're in.

you have to send in your information and stats and stuff like that at the end of your season and then they determine if they want to accept you basically. Thats how you get to go to model camp, its the same with the exposure tourney. thats how most of these types of camps are run nowdays.

rudy wrote:Someone directly involved said you send in the form and you're in.

Also heard Lucia makes $60,000 , and pays no rent at Mariucci now you know why he won't leave the U.

Has anybody else noticed that no matter what the event, camp, league, tournament, some body thinks the talent is "watered down". I certainly haven't seen that to be the case. What I see is less and less players seperating themselves because everyone is getting better. Has anyone noticed it is getting harder to get into the NAHL, USHL, college, etc. While they may let more players into these events, camps, etc. maybe just maybe, it is because more players are qualified???? One thing I do know is that there are tryout camps coming up and not everyone is "invited". In fact they limit the number of skaters. Funny, but I have yet to hear that the NAHL or USHL coaches think the talent is watered down. Go figure.

Ufeelshame wrote:Has anybody else noticed that no matter what the event, camp, league, tournament, some body thinks the talent is "watered down". I certainly haven't seen that to be the case. What I see is less and less players seperating themselves because everyone is getting better. Has anyone noticed it is getting harder to get into the NAHL, USHL, college, etc. While they may let more players into these events, camps, etc. maybe just maybe, it is because more players are qualified???? One thing I do know is that there are tryout camps coming up and not everyone is "invited". In fact they limit the number of skaters. Funny, but I have yet to hear that the NAHL or USHL coaches think the talent is watered down. Go figure.

What is a model camp, and what do I need to do if I don't want to do this?

Ufeelshame wrote:Has anybody else noticed that no matter what the event, camp, league, tournament, some body thinks the talent is "watered down". I certainly haven't seen that to be the case. What I see is less and less players seperating themselves because everyone is getting better. Has anyone noticed it is getting harder to get into the NAHL, USHL, college, etc. While they may let more players into these events, camps, etc. maybe just maybe, it is because more players are qualified???? One thing I do know is that there are tryout camps coming up and not everyone is "invited". In fact they limit the number of skaters. Funny, but I have yet to hear that the NAHL or USHL coaches think the talent is watered down. Go figure.

The NAHL has for each of the past seasons gained 2+ teams each season. This season I believe they are adding in the ballpark of 6-8 new teams for next season. As it is in the NA only a small handful of players move on the D-1 from each team and even less on the bottom of the pack teams. There is no question that the talent is getting diluted and the NAHL is turning into a D-III feeder, not D-1. IMO this is a large problem because now kids who used to chose D-III because they could go right to college without juniors can no longer do this. In addition to the watered down talent many teams have 4+ tryout camps as a fundraiser. Simply stupid. Many D-III coaches will not take players straight from high school hockey anymore, but no matter I hear the Gophers will take them

I do agree that the players as a whole are getting better. This is evident with the depth of the NHL draft and how these 18 year old kids are able to step right into the NHL game and be stars at such a young age. Even D-III has many good players and just this season a player from Oswego State College in New York signed a contract with the Florida Panthers after completing his Sophomore season. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3799 ... s-pro-deal

seek & destroy wrote:

Gopher Blog wrote:

seek & destroy wrote:Model Camp should go back to the old days

When were these "old days" that you seem fond of?

Your "Mr. Gopher" so you should know but my understanding is that back when the Model Camps were first started (perhaps under a different name) they did not include quite so many players in the camp.

If my information is wrong, I apologize but I still stand by my initial premise that too many of these programs have been diluted by trying to allow more and more people to attend rather than limiting it to only the top players.

Thats when it became a recruiting NCAA issue. The U can't turn kids away.

I agree that DIII hockey is taking more and more players with NAHL or USHL experience. Fortunately or unfortunately, the USHL is becoming increasingly difficult for a MN HS hockey player to go right into. Accordingly, the NAHL is creating more and more spots so that the kids can get seasoned to either go USHL or DIII with a few going to DI. I have been to a few NAHL games and what I see is good hockey. Generally, these kids are motivated hockey players that are trying to keep going. This is not hockey for your HS star on a .500 HS hockey team. These are good players that have game above the HS level. Now whether they have game above this level is another question. Only time will tell. But you should see the pride that some of these kids have pulling on a jersey AFTER High School. You can tell it means a lot to them.

Rosters are posted, www.luciacamps.com

bananastick wrote:Rosters are posted, www.luciacamps.com

Here they are sorted by school representation (looks like Wayzata leads the way with 14)

Andover Tyler Jokinen F 2012
Anoka Tony Niederhaus F 2011
Apple Valley Jordan Ocel F 2012
Apple Valley Vince Pedrie D 2012
Armstrong Matthew Ripka D 2012
Blake Ryan Hayes G 2011
Blake Donald Chute F 2011
Blake Zachary Doerring F 2012
Blake E.J. Faust F 2011
Blake George Ordway F 2011
Blake Ryan Bullock D 2011
Blake Reed Mandel D 2011
Blake David Tearse D 2011
Bloomington Jefferson Eric Freschi F 2011
Bloomington Jefferson Johnny Roisum F 2011
Breck Conor Andrle F 2012
Breck Wesley Iverson F 2012
Breck Grant Opperman F 2012
Breck Nate Traina F 2012
Breck David Zosel F 2011
Breck Keegan O'Connor D 2012
Breck Austin Rudnick D 2012
BSM W.Grant Besse F 2013
BSM Christian Horn F 2012
BSM Nick Lauth F 2012
BSM Patrick Steinhauser F 2011
BSM Alec Anderson D 2012
BSM Patrick Daly D 2011
BSM Jake Horton D 2012
BSM Ryan Minkoff D 2011
Buffalo Blake Schmidt G 2012
Buffalo Nick Jones F 2011
Buffalo Max Willard F 2012
Buffalo Tyler Burg D 2012
Buffalo Sam Klein D 2012
Buffalo Reid Trousdale D 2011
Burnsville Bodhi Engum G 2011
Burnsville Mike Dockry F 2011
Burnsville Eddie Wittchow D 2011
Cardinal O\'Hara Eric Iamurri D 2012
Centennial Riley Colvard F 2011
Champlin Park Alex Ach F 2011
Champlin Park John McDonald F 2011
Champlin Park Alex Borrell D 2011
Chaska Jack Storo F 2011
Cloquet John Scheuer G 2012
Colorado Rampage Kevin Patterson D 2011
Conn Rapids Jeff Nordvall D 2011
Crookston Ryan Bittner D 2013
Crookston Mark Bittner D 2011
Detroit Lakes Tanner Lane F 2011
Detroit Lakes Andy Schupp F 2011
Detroit Lakes Ethan Brekke D 2012
Dodge County Tanner Keller D 2011
Dodge County Wildcats Dustin Stevens G 2011
Dodge County Wildcats Drew Wohlfiel F 2011
Duluth Central Ben Wrazidlo F 2011
Duluth East Varsity Jacob Randolph F 2012
Duluth Marshall Jacob Bushey D 2012
Eagan High School Tommy Bodeker G 2011
Eagan High School Michael Zajac F 2012
East Ridge Grant Swansson D 2011
Eastview Max Smith F 2011
Eden Prairie Luc Gerdes F 2011
Eden Prairie Nicholas Seeler D 2011
Edina Steven Fogarty F 2011
Edina Louis Nanne F 2013
Edina Jake Sampson F 2011
Edina Michael Sit F 2011
Edina Ben Walker F 2012
Edina Andrew Capra D 2011
Edina Max Everson D 2011
Edina Ben Ostlie D 2011
Elk River Anders Franke G 2012
Elk River Ryan Jaremko D 2011
Faribault Brandon Parker D 2012
Farmington Tyler Grubb F 2011
Fergus Falls Cole Sonstebo D 2011
Forest Lake Paige Skoog G 2012
Hermantown Garrett Skrbich F 2011
Hermantown Jared Thomas F 2012
Hermantown Jake Knowles D 2011
Hermantown Jared Kolquist D 2012
Hill Murray Tim Shaughnessy G 2011
Hill Murray Ben Bahe F 2011
Hill-Murray Andy Faust F 2012
Hill-Murray Zach LaValle F 2013
Hill-Murray Kevin Schulze D 2011
Holy Angels Mario Bianchi F 2013
Holy Angels Cullen Hurley F 2011
Holy Angels Collin Hurley F 0
Holy Angels Nick Sauro F 2011
Holy Angels Matthew Benolkin D 2012
Holy Angels Frankie Mork D 2013
Holy Angels Michael reilly D 2012
Holy Family Matt LaPrade G 2011
Holy Family Brady Riesgraf D 2011
Hopkins Tanner Holmquist F 2012
Hutchinson Logan Hahn D 2011
John Marshall Bryan King G 2011
Lakeville North Charlie Lindgren G 2012
Lakeville North John Domina F 2011
Lakeville South Michael Chuinard F 2012
Lakeville South Justin Kloos F 2012
Lakeville South Kyle Osterberg F 2013
Lakeville South Colton Radtke F 2011
Lakeville South Zack Thielen F 2011
Lakeville South Drew Brevig D 2011
Little Falls High Adam Dougherty F 2011
LOW High School Alex Lyon G 2011
Mahtomedi Sawyer Marshall G 0
Mahtomedi Tanner Jordan F 2012
Mahtomedi Johno May F 2012
Mahtomedi Ben Marshall D 2011
Minneapolis East Jack Kelly F 2011
Minneapolis West Newton Fuller F 2012
Minnetonka Alexander Glockner G 2011
Minnetonka Erik Baskin F 2012
Minnetonka Max Coatta F 2013
Minnetonka Michael Helmer F 2011
Minnetonka Chase Lindsay F 2012
Minnetonka Jess Norman F 2011
Minnetonka Sam Rothstein F 2012
Minnetonka Connor Ryan F 2011
Minnetonka Thomas Schutt F 2011
Minnetonka Andrew Benson D 2011
Minnetonka Steven Johnson D 2012
Minnetonka Michael Prochno D 2012
Minnetonka Joe Schuldt D 2012
Monticello Evan Hesse F 2011
Monticello Stars Aaron Boros G 2012
Moorhead Brendan Johnson F 2011
Moorhead Nicolas Oxton D 2011
Mound Westonka Matthew Pearson D 2011
Mounds View Morgan Puncochar F 2012
NAHL Kenai River/USHL TriCity Storm Branden Fisher D 2011
New Ulm Blake Burgau G 2011
Orono Guy Danielson F 2011
Orono Ross Luedtke F 2011
Providence Academy Brandon Wildung G 2012
Providence Academy Patrick Pulles D 2011
Providence Academy Marshall Tema D 2013
Red Lake Falls Garrett Schmitz D 2012
Richland Alexander Herman F 2011
Robbinsdale Armstrong Jack Goihl D 2011
Roch. Century Brock Kautz G 2012
Roch. Century Cameron Sellnow G 2011
Rochester John Marshall Zack Johnson F 2011
Rochester John Marshall Ryan Yetzer F 2011
Rochester Lourdes Nick Heimer G 2011
Rochester Lourdes Landon Farrell F 2012
Rochester Lourdes Alex Funk F 2013
Rochester Lourdes Ryan Nicolay F 2012
Rochester Lourdes Brian Wasz F 2011
Rochester Lourdes Samuel Slightam D 2011
Rochester Lourdes Rory Vesel D 2011
Rogers Brandon Bistodeau F 2012
Rogers Philip Ballard D 2011
Rogers Zach Svoboda D 2011
Roseville Connor Brausen D 2011
Russell Stover AAA Matt Hansen F 2011
Russell Stover Tier 1 Nicholas Anderson F 2012
Russell Stover Tier 1 Elite Logan Nelson F 2012
Russell Stover U18 Dylan Dailey D 2012
Saint Louis Park Tyler Brodersen F 2012
Saint Louis Park Justin Brown F 2012
Saint Thomas Academy Andrew Commers F 2012
Saint Thomas Academy Peter Krieger F 2012
Saint Thomas Academy Matt Kroska F 2011
Saint Thomas Academy Zach Schroeder F 2011
Saint Thomas Academy Taylor Fleming D 2011
Sauk Rapids-Rice Ethan Prow D 2011
Shattuck St. Mary Kenneth Gillespie F 2011
Shattuck St. Mary Jacob Montgomery F 2012
Shattuck St. Mary Tyler Vesel F 2013
South Saint Paul Adam Wilcox G 2011
South Saint Paul Jesse Poznikowich F 2011
South Saint Paul Austyn Young F 2012
South Saint Paul Matt Pilot D 2012
Spring Lake Park Jorde Ranum F 2011
Spring Lake Park Nick Turbitt F 2011
Spring Lake Park Nick Auman D 2012
St. Cloud Tech Ryan Heaton F 2011
St. Cloud Tech Brandon Reinholz F 2011
St. Michael-Albertville Jake Larson F 2012
St.Cloud Tech Brandon Anderson F 2011
St.Cloud Tech Jobe Peterson F 2011
St.Cloud Tech Mitchell Hall D 2011
St.Cloud Tech Jake Peterson D 2013
St.Francis T.J. Belisle F 2011
Stillwater Gordy Defiel G 2011
TG/Centennial Cole Salewski F 2011
Thief River Falls Matthew Audette D 2011
Thief River Falls Ryan Crosson D 2011
VIK Vasteras Mikael Frycklund F 2012
VIK Vasteras Viktor Sallhag F 2012
Waseca Blake Malecha F 2011
Waseca Patrick O'Neil F 2011
Wayzata Andrew McIntyre G 2011
Wayzata Tony Cameranesi F 2011
Wayzata Blake Hallenberg F 2012
Wayzata Tanner Jensen F 2011
Wayzata Tyler Klein F 2011
Wayzata Mario Lucia F 2012
Wayzata Sam Majka F 2012
Wayzata Bryan Tabery F 2011
Wayzata Kage Tiller F 2012
Wayzata Miles Death D 2012
Wayzata Matt Halverson D 2012
Wayzata DJ Jones D 2011
Wayzata Kyle Olson D 2013
Wayzata Marc Richards D 2011
WBL Max Birkinbine F 2011
West Anchorage Alec Butcher F 2012
Woodbury Evan Erickson F 2012
Chase Cvancara F 2011

$$$$$$ talks.

Here they are sorted by school representation (looks like Wayzata leads the way with 14)

Add the five private school kids from Wayzata and you have 19.

sorno82 wrote:

Here they are sorted by school representation (looks like Wayzata leads the way with 14)

Add the five private school kids from Wayzata and you have 19.

there are actually 6 private school kids from wyha

what scouts come to the model camp?[/b]

[quote="Moose Jaw, SK"][quote="Ufeelshame"]Has anybody else noticed that no matter what the event, camp, league, tournament, some body thinks the talent is "watered down". I certainly haven't seen that to be the case. What I see is less and less players seperating themselves because everyone is getting better. Has anyone noticed it is getting harder to get into the NAHL, USHL, college, etc. While they may let more players into these events, camps, etc. maybe just maybe, it is because more players are qualified???? One thing I do know is that there are tryout camps coming up and not everyone is "invited". In fact they limit the number of skaters. Funny, but I have yet to hear that the NAHL or USHL coaches think the talent is watered down. Go figure.[/quote]

The NAHL has for each of the past seasons gained 2+ teams each season. This season I believe they are adding in the ballpark of 6-8 new teams for next season. As it is in the NA only a small handful of players move on the D-1 from each team and even less on the bottom of the pack teams. There is no question that the talent is getting diluted and the NAHL is turning into a D-III feeder, not D-1. IMO this is a large problem because now kids who used to chose D-III because they could go right to college without juniors can no longer do this. In addition to the watered down talent many teams have 4+ tryout camps as a fundraiser. Simply stupid. Many D-III coaches will not take players straight from high school hockey anymore, but no matter I hear the Gophers will take them

I do agree that the players as a whole are getting better. This is evident with the depth of the NHL draft and how these 18 year old kids are able to step right into the NHL game and be stars at such a young age. Even D-III has many good players and just this season a player from Oswego State College in New York signed a contract with the Florida Panthers after completing his Sophomore season. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3799 ... s-pro-deal[/quote]
On average 7 NAHL players per team commit to D1 schools each year. So i would say that league is still a good D1 feeder

"On average 7 NAHL players per team commit to D1 schools each year. So i would say that league is still a good D1 feeder[/quote]

Yeah, if you count NTDP. . . what's the true number without our national program involved?