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So, far - congrats to the following.

Rd 1: 15th overall - Derek Forbert from Duluth by the LA Kings

Rd 1: 19th overall - Nick Bjugstad from Blaine to the hockey hotbed
Florida Panthers

Rd 1: 22nd overall - Jared Tonordi from Burnsville to Montreal

Rd 1: 30th overall - Brock Nelson from Warroad to NY Islanders

4 Minnesotans in Rd 1.. EAT THAT MICHIGAN!!!!

Does anyone know who Jared Tinordi is?? Is that former North Star Mark Tinordi's kid?? YEs.. confirmed it is..

GREAT!!!

Tyler Pitlick from Centennial was selected 1st pick in Rd 2 #31 overall by Edmonton. Tyler is the nephew of Lance Pitlick... Congrats to his dad, John, as I know this has been a dream for him.

PLEASE ADD PLAYERS YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT ARE MINNESOTA KIDS I HAVEN'T MENTIONED.... THEY MAY BE PLAYING COLLEGE. I have tried to look up the USHL and U-18 kids..

and Mark Alt as the 53rd pick and Justin Holl as the 54th pick

In Rd 3:

69th overall - Joe Basaraba RW from Shattucks to Florida (from Ft. France, Ont - outside International Falls)

74th overall - Max Gardiner Minnetonka HS to St. Louis Blues

82nd Overall - Jason Clark from Shattuck (Eden Prairie) to NY Islanders

88th overall - Max Gaede Woodbury HS to San Jose Sharks

In Round 4:

#114 overall - Joe Faust - Bloomington Jefferson HS to New Jersey Devils

#118 overall - James Mullin - Shattuck's to Tampa Bay Lightening (he's from New Jersey??)

In Round 5:

# 142 overall - Caleb Herbert - Boomington Jefferson HS to Washinhton Capitals

In Round 6:

# 160 overall - Tanner Lane - Detroit Lakes HS to Atlanta Thrashers

#165 overall - Zane Gothberg Goalie Thief River Falls HS to Boston Bruins

#180 overall - Nick Mattson - Chanhassen via USHL to Chicago Blackhawks

Round 7:

#201st overall - Ben Marshall - Mahtomedi HS - to Detroit Red Wings

#203 Overall - Christian Isaackson - St. Thomas Academy to Buffalo Sabres


Again, If I missed anyone, please add.

Congratulations to all those who got drafted.

Did Torondi play in Mn, he was listed as born in Mn but a hometown in Maryland and yes his dad played for the north stars.

greybeard58 wrote:Did Torondi play in Mn, he was listed as born in Mn but a hometown in Maryland and yes his dad played for the north stars.

Jarred was born in 1992. Mark and the North Stars left in 93, so I don't think he ever played here. Also Justin Faulk from South St. Paul went #37 overall to Carolina

What about Nate Schmidt? Why hasnt he been talked about, even though he was last year?

JoWar wrote:What about Nate Schmidt? Why hasnt he been talked about, even though he was last year?

Sorry.. I edited the subject line to read 2010 NHL Draft.. I was reporting from what happened on the draft just held June 25-26.

Mn had 17 players drafted not counting Tornordi or the SSM player from New Jersey. Michigan had 10 and Mass. 7. 102 players from Canada, 57 USA and 51 from Europe. These numbers are from where they are from and not where they played. This year Minn had an increase of 2 from last year.

Macmillan Carruth went to Chicago at 191. He is from minnetonka.

greybeard58 wrote:Mn had 17 players drafted not counting Tornordi or the SSM player from New Jersey. Michigan had 10 and Mass. 7. 102 players from Canada, 57 USA and 51 from Europe. These numbers are from where they are from and not where they played. This year Minn had an increase of 2 from last year.

Great info, greybeard - Minnesota equaled Michigan and Mass combined, so those states can continue to kiss our hind ends, eh??

wingmaster wrote:Macmillan Carruth went to Chicago at 191. He is from minnetonka.

Really? When was he in Minnetonka? Because I don't recognize that name.

nikebauer05 wrote:

wingmaster wrote:Macmillan Carruth went to Chicago at 191. He is from minnetonka.

Really? When was he in Minnetonka? Because I don't recognize that name.

I believe he left after 8th grade. Never played high school.

Goldfishdude wrote:

JoWar wrote:What about Nate Schmidt? Why hasnt he been talked about, even though he was last year?

Sorry.. I edited the subject line to read 2010 NHL Draft.. I was reporting from what happened on the draft just held June 25-26.

No, I'm asking why he wasnt talked about during the 2010 draft, but he was talked about last year, the 2009 draft

Nick Mattson vs. Mark Alt

I find this interesting that Mattson was proably one of the top D-prospects out of MN, went to the NTDP and USHL, and was barely drafted. Mark Alt on the other hand, stayed in HS, played football, didn't focus on Hockey. and ended up being drafted much higher.

Is this a case were the natural athlete eventually reaches their peak, but not at fast? Or did Nick peak too soon?

This is interesting-not trying to start a fight. They are still both high end players and things may still change as they go through college Nick is in a better situation for development at UND if recent history has anything to do with it.

Is Alt that elusive 6 month a year hockey player who still develops to an elite level?

Toomuchtoosoon wrote:Nick Mattson vs. Mark Alt

I find this interesting that Mattson was proably one of the top D-prospects out of MN, went to the NTDP and USHL, and was barely drafted. Mark Alt on the other hand, stayed in HS, played football, didn't focus on Hockey. and ended up being drafted much higher.

Is this a case were the natural athlete eventually reaches their peak, but not at fast? Or did Nick peak too soon?

This is interesting-not trying to start a fight. They are still both high end players and things may still change as they go through college Nick is in a better situation for development at UND if recent history has anything to do with it.

Is Alt that elusive 6 month a year hockey player who still develops to an elite level?

Interesting, however other D like Forbort and Faulk left for Ann Arbor and were drafted ahead of Alt. Then other HS players like Bjugstad and Nelson went in the first round. I think you have to look case by case. It would have been too bad if a kid like Alt left home and gave up playing football to focus on one sport at just 16 years old. On the other hand the Ann Arbor guys get to play in international tournaments, have facilities that the HS kids don't have, and know they'll probably get a scholarship and be an NHL draft pick as soon as they graduate HS. It's tough to say any of these guys made the wrong choice.

I just find it intriguing that kids develop regardless of their surroundings. If you have it, they will find you. Athletes will still make it if they put in enough time. No doubt that hard work is required regardless of the path taken, but whether it is at the NTDP or at the local HS as long as it is quality work.

Who knows, if Alt would have focussed on hockey at a younger age, he may have been a first round or top 10 pick. But does it really matter in the end if you are a superb athlete with a good work ethic.

Obviously the NTDP helps many kids, but I have also felt that it could hurt those who need more balance in their life. They also go after the top 15 year olds and a lot can happen between 15 and 18.

DubCHAGuy wrote:

Toomuchtoosoon wrote:Nick Mattson vs. Mark Alt

I find this interesting that Mattson was proably one of the top D-prospects out of MN, went to the NTDP and USHL, and was barely drafted. Mark Alt on the other hand, stayed in HS, played football, didn't focus on Hockey. and ended up being drafted much higher.

Is this a case were the natural athlete eventually reaches their peak, but not at fast? Or did Nick peak too soon?

This is interesting-not trying to start a fight. They are still both high end players and things may still change as they go through college Nick is in a better situation for development at UND if recent history has anything to do with it.

Is Alt that elusive 6 month a year hockey player who still develops to an elite level?

Interesting, however other D like Forbort and Faulk left for Ann Arbor and were drafted ahead of Alt. Then other HS players like Bjugstad and Nelson went in the first round. I think you have to look case by case. It would have been too bad if a kid like Alt left home and gave up playing football to focus on one sport at just 16 years old. On the other hand the Ann Arbor guys get to play in international tournaments, have facilities that the HS kids don't have, and know they'll probably get a scholarship and be an NHL draft pick as soon as they graduate HS. It's tough to say any of these guys made the wrong choice.

Certainly in Alt's case, the scouts are looking at genetics and what he could develop into. He is far from a finished product at this time.

Toomuchtoosoon wrote:I just find it intriguing that kids develop regardless of their surroundings. If you have it, they will find you. Athletes will still make it if they put in enough time. No doubt that hard work is required regardless of the path taken, but whether it is at the NTDP or at the local HS as long as it is quality work.

Who knows, if Alt would have focussed on hockey at a younger age, he may have been a first round or top 10 pick. But does it really matter in the end if you are a superb athlete with a good work ethic.

Obviously the NTDP helps many kids, but I have also felt that it could hurt those who need more balance in their life. They also go after the top 15 year olds and a lot can happen between 15 and 18.

Good point. Although they play different styles, Alt could be another Paul Martin, who was a great 3-sport athlete in HS. He struggled at the beginning of his college career but by his soph. year he was one of the better D in college hockey, and now having a solid pro career.

Toomuchtoosoon wrote:Nick Mattson vs. Mark Alt

I find this interesting that Mattson was proably one of the top D-prospects out of MN, went to the NTDP and USHL, and was barely drafted. Mark Alt on the other hand, stayed in HS, played football, didn't focus on Hockey. and ended up being drafted much higher.

Is this a case were the natural athlete eventually reaches their peak, but not at fast? Or did Nick peak too soon?

This is interesting-not trying to start a fight. They are still both high end players and things may still change as they go through college Nick is in a better situation for development at UND if recent history has anything to do with it.

Is Alt that elusive 6 month a year hockey player who still develops to an elite level?

Mattson was soft in the USHL, had a very average year and that hurt him in the draft. Lets see how Alt does this year before we make any comparisons. My guess is that it is going to e a VERY long year for Mark Alt in the WCHA.

I don't want to compare players as much as routes to achieve ones best. You always here of the success stories of the kids who leave home early and achieve success, but hardly ever of the disappointments. I hope both kids achieve their goals, but they have flipped flopped in the eyes of many as who is the better prospect going forward.

flatontheice wrote: Mattson was soft in the USHL, had a very average year and that hurt him in the draft. Lets see how Alt does this year before we make any comparisons. My guess is that it is going to e a VERY long year for Mark Alt in the WCHA.

Why? Because the Gophers aren't very good? Because their recent history at defense isn't very good? Or Alt isn't that good?

Alt is a tremendous athlete and my guess is he'll fit in quickly, much quicker than many hockey only kids do with the jump up. Alt's athletic ability will overcome a lot at the college level. My personal opinion is he should be at Iowa playing football as I think his future is brighter there but I hope this works out well for him.

goldy313 wrote:

flatontheice wrote: Mattson was soft in the USHL, had a very average year and that hurt him in the draft. Lets see how Alt does this year before we make any comparisons. My guess is that it is going to e a VERY long year for Mark Alt in the WCHA.

Why? Because the Gophers aren't very good? Because their recent history at defense isn't very good? Or Alt isn't that good?

Alt is a tremendous athlete and my guess is he'll fit in quickly, much quicker than many hockey only kids do with the jump up. Alt's athletic ability will overcome a lot at the college level. My personal opinion is he should be at Iowa playing football as I think his future is brighter there but I hope this works out well for him.

Alt's odds of making something of a career is much better in hockey. If for nothing more than the sheer quantity of opportunities beyond just the very highest level (NHL or NFL).

Gopher Blog wrote:
Alt's odds of making something of a career is much better in hockey. If for nothing more than the sheer quantity of opportunities beyond just the very highest level (NHL or NFL).

Why? Because of the sheer numbers of kids playing football vs. hockey? That logic goes both ways, for instance the odds of a kid who QB'ed at Cretin making it to the NFL is higher than any kid who played hockey at Cretin. That's what statistics would tell me anyway. If you're basing this on his hockey ability now or in the future then make that point becuase throwing out statisics based on numbers of kids playing makes no sense at this time.

Because of all the different levels of pro hockey and the number of different leagues in all sorts of countries obviously there is a much better chance to eek out a living for a few years playing hockey than there is in football with no minor league and really only 2 professional leagues. My opinion is based on his talent level in both sports and it's soley my opinion having seen him play both and that's his develoment playing QB at a Big Ten univeristy would prepare him better for the NFL than playing defense at Minnesota will prepare him for the NHL.

I'd like to hear why you think otherwise other than basic statistics which at Alt's level are meaningless.

Since you addressed the point on sheer opportunity (which is clearly the biggest weakness to your argument), I won't delve into that.

In terms of ability, Alt was hardly a widely recruited D1 recruit that a lot of top programs were after. Let's be honest... Iowa's interest had as much to do with his dad as anything else... and even there he was being offered a greyshirt. Did you see a bunch of Big Ten or national powers offering him rides? While not being a QB that was widely recruited by a bunch of D1 powers doesn't preclude a guy from making it in the NFL, it does go to show that he wasn't seen by many of these football talent evaluators as a great prospect (and I suspect these guys have a better eye for ability than either of us).

Then compare that to how he was viewed by hockey people. Drafted in the 2nd round for his current ability/potential as a pro prospect and he could have written his own ticket to many D1 hockey programs. A guy with good size and has abilities that are highly valued in the sport and it was shown by their efforts to get him. A much different picture.

If you have the opinion, that's cool. I just find it very far fetched. He made the wise choice to go for hockey. If for nothing more than he followed his heart (based on HIS comments that is).