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2011 AA Seeds

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:36 pm
by O-townClown
1. Eden Prairie
2. Duluth East
3. Edina
4. Eagan

White Bear Lake
Moorhead
Blaine
Lakeville North

Does this look right?

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:37 pm
by karl(east)
Give Edina the #2 over East. They beat the Hounds head-to-head.

Otherwise, I agree.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:38 pm
by PoNd HocKey ChAmP67
Yeah i bet those will be it, the only possible change would be flipping Edina and Duluth East

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:38 pm
by jonandrews13
I'd probably switch Duluth East and Edina. Other than that, I think you might have it. Just thought about it myself.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:38 pm
by Duluth 4
karl(east) wrote:Give Edina the #2 over East. They beat the Hounds head-to-head.

Otherwise, I agree.
The 2 and 3 seeds are flipped and flopped, doesn't matter either way really.

Re: 2011 AA Seeds

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:39 pm
by FREDFLINTSTONE
O-townClown wrote:1. Eden Prairie
2. Duluth East
3. Edina
4. Eagan

White Bear Lake
Moorhead
Blaine
Lakeville North

Does this look right?
EDINA will be ahead of East

aa seeds

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:48 pm
by rudy
Is this a factor?

Edina beats EP two out of three (including 3-0 at EP), and its loss to EP was by 1 goal without Everson.

Re: aa seeds

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:50 pm
by Duluth 4
rudy wrote:Is this a factor?

Edina beats EP two out of three (including 3-0 at EP), and its loss to EP was by 1 goal without Everson.
Well then East beat EP too, so send EP to the 3 seed. it just seems unlikely.

Re: aa seeds

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:50 pm
by FREDFLINTSTONE
rudy wrote:Is this a factor?

Edina beats EP two out of three (including 3-0 at EP), and its loss to EP was by 1 goal without Everson.
they were 3rd in the lake.....

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:52 pm
by FREDFLINTSTONE
Edina couldn't beat Wayzata.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:53 pm
by east hockey
Am I seeing double? Two topics devoted to the seedings right on top of each other? Which one was started first?

Lee

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:55 pm
by HShockeywatcher
karl(east) wrote:Give Edina the #2 over East. They beat the Hounds head-to-head.

Otherwise, I agree.
Eden Prairie is 1-4 against Edina, Eagan and Duluth East.

When you just look at these specific three and their head to head match ups, it COULD look something like this:

1. Edina
2. Duluth East
3. Eagan
4. Eden Prairie

Blaine also beat East, beat WBL and tied Edina. Putting these 5 in an order when you look at their head to head match ups is very difficult, imo.
east hockey wrote:Am I seeing double? Two topics devoted to the seedings right on top of each other? Which one was started first?

Lee
You are not. The one that was started first was started before a couple of the finals were complete, so it was speculation and was discussion of what might happen.

This one was started after all section tournaments had been complete and is discussion of the teams that actually made it.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:58 pm
by goldy313
North beat Eagan and were up on EP after 2. I say they get the #4 seed :wink:

Actually when you look at it this may be the most balanced state tourney in a while. It's not very often these teams have played each other and beat each other this much.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:59 pm
by FREDFLINTSTONE
East lost to Wayzata, Maple Grove, Apple Valley, Edina, and the win over EP was a home game for East--in OT. Ep beat every one of those teams.

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:01 am
by FREDFLINTSTONE
HShockeywatcher wrote:
karl(east) wrote:Give Edina the #2 over East. They beat the Hounds head-to-head.

Otherwise, I agree.
Eden Prairie is 1-4 against Edina, Eagan and Duluth East.

When you just look at these specific three and their head to head match ups, it COULD look something like this:

1. Edina
2. Duluth East
3. Eagan
4. Eden Prairie

Blaine also beat East, beat WBL and tied Edina. Putting these 5 in an order when you look at their head to head match ups is very difficult, imo.
east hockey wrote:Am I seeing double? Two topics devoted to the seedings right on top of each other? Which one was started first?

Lee
You are not. The one that was started first was started before a couple of the finals were complete, so it was speculation and was discussion of what might happen.

This one was started after all section tournaments had been complete and is discussion of the teams that actually made it.
But it is the loses of the teams you have ranked 1,2,3. EP beat all of those teams

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:01 am
by EHSHack
FREDFLINTSTONE wrote:East lost to Wayzata, Maple Grove, Apple Valley, Edina, and the win over EP was a home game for East--in OT. Ep beat every one of those teams.
Well East lost by 1 to Edina with the backup goalie in a home game for Edina, so there goes your logic.

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:02 am
by FREDFLINTSTONE
EHSHack wrote:
FREDFLINTSTONE wrote:East lost to Wayzata, Maple Grove, Apple Valley, Edina, and the win over EP was a home game for East--in OT. Ep beat every one of those teams.
Well East lost by 1 to Edina with the backup goalie in a home game for Edina, so there goes your logic.
can you elaborate or are you playin with weinie

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:03 am
by HShockeywatcher
goldy313 wrote:North beat Eagan and were up on EP after 2. I say they get the #4 seed :wink:

Actually when you look at it this may be the most balanced state tourney in a while. It's not very often these teams have played each other and beat each other this much.
I think it would be a disappointment if Edina is not the top seed.
Beyond that, arguments could be made for 15 different orders and justified.

One of Blaine and Eagan won't get seeded.

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:04 am
by FREDFLINTSTONE
EHSHack wrote:
FREDFLINTSTONE wrote:East lost to Wayzata, Maple Grove, Apple Valley, Edina, and the win over EP was a home game for East--in OT. Ep beat every one of those teams.
Well East lost by 1 to Edina with the backup goalie in a home game for Edina, so there goes your logic.
Well when EP lost to Edina, thers was a missing water bottle

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:07 am
by karl(east)
Easy, Fred.

EP will get the top seed.

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:09 am
by HShockeywatcher
FREDFLINTSTONE wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:
karl(east) wrote:Give Edina the #2 over East. They beat the Hounds head-to-head.

Otherwise, I agree.
Eden Prairie is 1-4 against Edina, Eagan and Duluth East.

When you just look at these specific three and their head to head match ups, it COULD look something like this:

1. Edina
2. Duluth East
3. Eagan
4. Eden Prairie

Blaine also beat East, beat WBL and tied Edina. Putting these 5 in an order when you look at their head to head match ups is very difficult, imo.
east hockey wrote:Am I seeing double? Two topics devoted to the seedings right on top of each other? Which one was started first?

Lee
You are not. The one that was started first was started before a couple of the finals were complete, so it was speculation and was discussion of what might happen.

This one was started after all section tournaments had been complete and is discussion of the teams that actually made it.
But it is the loses of the teams you have ranked 1,2,3. EP beat all of those teams
All of what teams. They played Edina 3 times and lost two of them. They played Eagan once and lost. They played East once and lost. Hence 1-4 against those teams.

They did beat Moorhead and North, for what it's worth though.
When you look at EP's wins this season, with teams like Burnsville, Hill Murray, and Maple Grove not making it, imo, they don't stand up to at least two of the other teams they lost to.
karl(east) wrote:Easy, Fred.

EP will get the top seed.
They probably will. But should they? With who is not here and who is that beat them, do they deserve it? You know my opinion, what's yours?

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:19 am
by FREDFLINTSTONE
HShockeywatcher wrote:
FREDFLINTSTONE wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote: Eden Prairie is 1-4 against Edina, Eagan and Duluth East.

When you just look at these specific three and their head to head match ups, it COULD look something like this:

1. Edina
2. Duluth East
3. Eagan
4. Eden Prairie

Blaine also beat East, beat WBL and tied Edina. Putting these 5 in an order when you look at their head to head match ups is very difficult, imo.
You are not. The one that was started first was started before a couple of the finals were complete, so it was speculation and was discussion of what might happen.

This one was started after all section tournaments had been complete and is discussion of the teams that actually made it.
But it is the loses of the teams you have ranked 1,2,3. EP beat all of those teams
All of what teams. They played Edina 3 times and lost two of them. They played Eagan once and lost. They played East once and lost. Hence 1-4 against those teams.

They did beat Moorhead and North, for what it's worth though.
When you look at EP's wins this season, with teams like Burnsville, Hill Murray, and Maple Grove not making it, imo, they don't stand up to at least two of the other teams they lost to.
karl(east) wrote:Easy, Fred.

EP will get the top seed.
They probably will. But should they? With who is not here and who is that beat them, do they deserve it? You know my opinion, what's yours?
I stand corrected. Edina ended up 4th in the Lake.. not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4. 4th.......4th out of Tonka,Wayzata,EP.

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:27 am
by cadetbooster
HShockeywatcher wrote:
FREDFLINTSTONE wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote: Eden Prairie is 1-4 against Edina, Eagan and Duluth East.

When you just look at these specific three and their head to head match ups, it COULD look something like this:

1. Edina
2. Duluth East
3. Eagan
4. Eden Prairie

Blaine also beat East, beat WBL and tied Edina. Putting these 5 in an order when you look at their head to head match ups is very difficult, imo.
You are not. The one that was started first was started before a couple of the finals were complete, so it was speculation and was discussion of what might happen.

This one was started after all section tournaments had been complete and is discussion of the teams that actually made it.
But it is the loses of the teams you have ranked 1,2,3. EP beat all of those teams
All of what teams. They played Edina 3 times and lost two of them. They played Eagan once and lost. They played East once and lost. Hence 1-4 against those teams.

They did beat Moorhead and North, for what it's worth though.
When you look at EP's wins this season, with teams like Burnsville, Hill Murray, and Maple Grove not making it, imo, they don't stand up to at least two of the other teams they lost to.
karl(east) wrote:Easy, Fred.

EP will get the top seed.
They probably will. But should they? With who is not here and who is that beat them, do they deserve it? You know my opinion, what's yours?
head to head criteria is what they like to look at and will play a big factor in the seeding decisons. If there is some kind of tie or 3 way, they will then look at common opponents.

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:42 am
by Oldtimehockeyguy23
I think the head to head match-ups and results aren't as important as some are making them out to be. Most of these games we are comparing are coming early in the season in non conference (with exception of EP and Edina). Tell me things haven't changed since then... Now I feel like whatever team came out of 6AA would get the number one seed just because getting through that section means you are the best team in the state in my opinion.

EP
Edina
East
Eagan

East and eagan can be flip flopped i guess.

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:47 am
by rudy
EHSHack wrote:
FREDFLINTSTONE wrote:East lost to Wayzata, Maple Grove, Apple Valley, Edina, and the win over EP was a home game for East--in OT. Ep beat every one of those teams.
Well East lost by 1 to Edina with the backup goalie in a home game for Edina, so there goes your logic.
Edina also played its backup, and the game was on neutral ice.