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The Part Where I Swear About St. Thomas I've been debating whether or not to say this, but I'll go ahead: those kids from St. Thomas should have been embarrassed to skate up and take their Class A medals. It's maybe not fair because it's not necessarily their decision to compete against >10,000 population towns, but it's an absolute joke that they do. And even worse that they'll be back playing in Class A next year. Saying your school was really bad at hockey three state titles ago doesn't really cut it as an excuse. I guess the powers-that-be at STA want the publicity for their school, but the only message it sends is that they may teach kids to dress pretty, but have absolutely nothing in the way of honor

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johnnyquest wrote:The Part Where I Swear About St. Thomas I've been debating whether or not to say this, but I'll go ahead: those kids from St. Thomas should have been embarrassed to skate up and take their Class A medals. It's maybe not fair because it's not necessarily their decision to compete against >10,000 population towns, but it's an absolute joke that they do. And even worse that they'll be back playing in Class A next year. Saying your school was really bad at hockey three state titles ago doesn't really cut it as an excuse. I guess the powers-that-be at STA want the publicity for their school, but the only message it sends is that they may teach kids to dress pretty, but have absolutely nothing in the way of honor

It would be interesting to hear from someone in the MSHSL with some actual say on changing rules and what the conversation is.

It is really poor taste and somewhat disgusting to say the kids should be embarrassed to win a state title because it's class A. Those kids put a lot of work, dedication, and effort into their season. If this clown or anyone else wants to rip on the administration, athletic director, or the board of directors, have at it. Leave the kids out of it. This is, after all, just high school hockey. Who the hell does this guy think he is?

deacon wrote:Who the hell does this guy think he is?

He's nothing more than another internet blogger who won't attach his real name to his opinions. You have the "clown" part right. Those STA kids have nothing to be embarrased about. That final with Hermantown was a great game that could have gone either way. Both teams played their hearts out. They earned their championship on the ice, as it should be.

This whole discussion has gone off the deap end. Yes STA should opt up to play in AA but it is the school's decision not to. They don't have to justify not doing something.

The MSHSL is not going to start picking out individual schools or even individual sports to change the rules. What they do in hockey they will do in all of the sports. What you all would like them to do with STA hockey also has to be done with, for instance Sleepy Eye St. Mary's volleyball. Those of you who would wish for all private schools to be in one section would then require all private school volleyball or cross country teams to be in one section and thus send some teams 200 miles to play a section game. Thank God the MSHSL has more common sense than the posters on this board.

I am getting sick of the phrase "kids."

They are 15-18 year olds, not little kids. These kids have been told how great they are since probabaly squirts, a little criticism doesnt hurt anyone.

The thing about STA is, the "kids" probably know they belong in AA, but the Vanelli's and the admins keep wanting to win these fraudulent state championships.

In a society of trophies for everyone, these "kids" need to learn how the real world works, and legitimate criticism is real world!

I'm just impressed it took 3 whole days for another STA thread to pop up.

HockeyGuy81 wrote:I'm just impressed it took 3 whole days for another STA thread to pop up.

Not only that, but a reply that bashes STA within 2 minutes.

This blogger got it right, STA and other metro privates have ruined class A.

Do what BSM and Ken Pauly did, and play to your skill level.
"After a while, it is nothing more than trophy chasing."

deacon wrote:It is really poor taste and somewhat disgusting to say the kids should be embarrassed to win a state title because it's class A. Those kids put a lot of work, dedication, and effort into their season. If this clown or anyone else wants to rip on the administration, athletic director, or the board of directors, have at it. Leave the kids out of it. This is, after all, just high school hockey. Who the hell does this guy think he is?

Couldn't agree more/took the words right out of my mouth. Not like the kids make these decisions. The OP was pretty much classless. For anyone that dislikes St. Thomas, may I remind you that they were not a good hockey team 10 years ago. What did they win in 2004...7 games? And to argue that they can compete with most AA teams doesn't make sense to me. Hermantown took EP to OT and beat a very good Grand Rapids team, so does that mean Hermantown should move up as well? No. Sometimes teams are up and down, and just because St. Thomas has been a good hockey club the past few seasons, doesn't necessarily mean they will be good 10 years from now. It would be very interesting to see how they would compete in a AA tournament, but I still respect them as the best team in class A. The whole St. Thomas/AA argument is redundant and pointless.

mnpuckster wrote:This blogger got it right, STA and other metro privates have ruined class A.

Do what BSM and Ken Pauly did, and play to your skill level.
"After a while, it is nothing more than trophy chasing."

How many times will people keep posting the same damn thing over and over in different threads? Are you five years old?

Yes, you got it almighty one, I am 5 years old.

BTW, Bubble hockey is a great game!

Some people have never liked St. Thomas due to its perceived hubris and reputation. The hatred has little to do with hockey and everything to do with the fact that most of the students come from privileged backgrounds.

Before it was hockey it was basketball, or football or even swimming. They'll never be happy if STA teams are successful, because it just isn't fair that the rich kids are beating the folksy, underdog, America's Teams that are the public schools.

It's like they're trapped in a Mighty Ducks movie.

bubblehockey27 wrote:

deacon wrote:It is really poor taste and somewhat disgusting to say the kids should be embarrassed to win a state title because it's class A. Those kids put a lot of work, dedication, and effort into their season. If this clown or anyone else wants to rip on the administration, athletic director, or the board of directors, have at it. Leave the kids out of it. This is, after all, just high school hockey. Who the hell does this guy think he is?

Couldn't agree more/took the words right out of my mouth. Not like the kids make these decisions. The OP was pretty much classless. For anyone that dislikes St. Thomas, may I remind you that they were not a good hockey team 10 years ago. What did they win in 2004...7 games? And to argue that they can compete with most AA teams doesn't make sense to me. Hermantown took EP to OT and beat a very good Grand Rapids team, so does that mean Hermantown should move up as well? No. Sometimes teams are up and down, and just because St. Thomas has been a good hockey club the past few seasons, doesn't necessarily mean they will be good 10 years from now. It would be very interesting to see how they would compete in a AA tournament, but I still respect them as the best team in class A. The whole St. Thomas/AA argument is redundant and pointless.

Good thing the MSHSL just cut the opt up period from 4 down to 2 years. Thus, your 10 years later theory is kind of invalid.

STA is afraid that if the move up to AA they will get lost in the crowd.

STA folks will continue to say this team, or that one, might be better to argue that they should be in A.

The ones running the show at STA that are saying they don't want to be known as a Hockey school are full of it. Hockey has changed the landscape of the school... it's been a huge business gain. Rink on campus

They know what they're doing. They don't take the time to think of what they're taking away from others.

I'm sure that if the coaches and players are pushing to move up, they also realize how messed up it is.

They schedule the best AA teams around and then play in the A tournament to collect their trophy

Play Shattuck St. Mary and some well known prep school from New Jersey during the season. And some of you on here argue that A is the right level for them...?

Enrollment size does not matter, obviously, play in the tournament with the competition that you schedule during the regular season.

We all know that you are cowards (this is not directed at the kids). Your program is now established and it's time to earn your respect back....... Staying in A only shows how low class your administration is. It's time to stop the lies.

Totino Grace Football moved up after 6 championships, hopefully it doesnt take STA as long....

MrBoDangles wrote:STA is afraid that if the move up to AA they will get lost in the crowd.

STA folks will continue to say this team, or that one, might be better to argue that they should be in A.

The ones running the show at STA that are saying they don't want to be known as a Hockey school are full of it. Hockey has changed the landscape of the school... it's been a huge business gain. Rink on campus

They know what they're doing. They don't take the time to think of what they're taking away from others.

I'm sure that if the coaches and players are pushing to move up, they also realize how messed up it is.

They schedule the best AA teams around and then play in the A tournament to collect their trophy

Play Shattuck St. Mary and some well known prep school from New Jersey during the season. And some of you on here argue that A is the right level for them...?

Enrollment size does not matter, obviously, play in the tournament with the competition that you schedule during the regular season.

We all know that you are cowards (this is not directed at the kids). Your program is now established and it's time to earn your respect back....... Staying in A only shows how low class your administration is. It's time to stop the lies.

What, exactly, are they taking away from others? No one is guaranteed anything. Not in school, not in athletics, not in life.

deacon wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:STA is afraid that if the move up to AA they will get lost in the crowd.

STA folks will continue to say this team, or that one, might be better to argue that they should be in A.

The ones running the show at STA that are saying they don't want to be known as a Hockey school are full of it. Hockey has changed the landscape of the school... it's been a huge business gain. Rink on campus

They know what they're doing. They don't take the time to think of what they're taking away from others.

I'm sure that if the coaches and players are pushing to move up, they also realize how messed up it is.

They schedule the best AA teams around and then play in the A tournament to collect their trophy

Play Shattuck St. Mary and some well known prep school from New Jersey during the season. And some of you on here argue that A is the right level for them...?

Enrollment size does not matter, obviously, play in the tournament with the competition that you schedule during the regular season.

We all know that you are cowards (this is not directed at the kids). Your program is now established and it's time to earn your respect back....... Staying in A only shows how low class your administration is. It's time to stop the lies.

What, exactly, are they taking away from others? No one is guaranteed anything. Not in school, not in athletics, not in life.

STA sets themselves up so they're GUARANTEED to dominate...

mnpuckster wrote:I am getting sick of the phrase "kids."

They are 15-18 year olds, not little kids. These kids have been told how great they are since probabaly squirts, a little criticism doesnt hurt anyone.

The thing about STA is, the "kids" probably know they belong in AA, but the Vanelli's and the admins keep wanting to win these fraudulent state championships.

In a society of trophies for everyone, these "kids" need to learn how the real world works, and legitimate criticism is real world!

I'm getting sick of terrible posts like this. The players have no control over what class STA plays hockey in. The criticism should never be directed at them, it should be directed at people who have control over where STA plays. The only criticism that the players should receive should pertain to their effort, bad plays, and stupid decisions on the ice and off the ice.

MrBoDangles wrote:

deacon wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:STA is afraid that if the move up to AA they will get lost in the crowd.

STA folks will continue to say this team, or that one, might be better to argue that they should be in A.

The ones running the show at STA that are saying they don't want to be known as a Hockey school are full of it. Hockey has changed the landscape of the school... it's been a huge business gain. Rink on campus

They know what they're doing. They don't take the time to think of what they're taking away from others.

I'm sure that if the coaches and players are pushing to move up, they also realize how messed up it is.

They schedule the best AA teams around and then play in the A tournament to collect their trophy

Play Shattuck St. Mary and some well known prep school from New Jersey during the season. And some of you on here argue that A is the right level for them...?

Enrollment size does not matter, obviously, play in the tournament with the competition that you schedule during the regular season.

We all know that you are cowards (this is not directed at the kids). Your program is now established and it's time to earn your respect back....... Staying in A only shows how low class your administration is. It's time to stop the lies.

What, exactly, are they taking away from others? No one is guaranteed anything. Not in school, not in athletics, not in life.

STA sets themselves up so they're GUARANTEED to dominate...

You didn't answer the question and what you did say is wrong and ridiculous.

deacon wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:

deacon wrote: What, exactly, are they taking away from others? No one is guaranteed anything. Not in school, not in athletics, not in life.

STA sets themselves up so they're GUARANTEED to dominate...

You didn't answer the question and what you did say is wrong and ridiculous.

Is STA an A caliber high school team? Answer this and you will answer your own question.

Your simple minded thinking is wrong and ridiculous......