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After seeing the results in the Caribou Cup, I thought I would go back through the season and see how the Machine teams faired at certain tournaments. yes....I am bored.
1999 Machine
Chi Town Shuffle Won 3-0 over the Blades
Stars Stripes Lost 7-1 to Bauer Selects
Subway Classic Lost 3-1 to Vancouver Selects
Caribou Cup Won 7-2 over Blades
2 firsts and 2 seconds.....Impressive

2000 Machine
Chi Town Shuffle won 3-1 over Pacific Selects
Stars Stripes Won 3-0 over Bauer Selects
Subway Won 2-1 over Manitoba Lightning
Caribou won 5-0 over Blades
4/4 Awesome!

2001 Machine
Chitown lost 8-1 to Bauer
Stars Stripes lost 8-3 to Bauer
Subway lost 5-2 to Team Sask Brick
Caribou won 10-4 over Northern Wings
1 first 3 seconds. Still darn good, lost to some good teams

2002 Machine
Chitown lost 5-1 To Manitoba Warriors
Stars Stripes lost 7-5 in Semi finals to Manitoba Warriors
Subway lost B side Final to Foothills mustangs
Easton Cup won 4-1 over Wisconsin Flyers
Caribou Cup won 4-2 over the Blades
2 firsts 1 second and a couple early exits. Once again impressive showing.....

I know i didn't get all the tournaments covered but is still paints a pretty impressive picture!!

9 tournament titles and 6 second place finishes.

I have felt the effects of this program with my child, i have to give them credit for what they continue to accomplish.

What about the 98s 97s and 96s? How did they fair? as long as you are bored.

Can't speak to the 98s as I don't know how they did, but the 97s did well this year:

Stars n Stripes - 1st
Chi Town Shuffle - 2nd
North American Classic - 3rd
Caribou Classic - 3rd

Anyone have a run down on some of the other invite level programs?

HockeyDad41 wrote:Anyone have a run down on some of the other invite level programs?

Got a buddy that has a kid on the snipers. '99 0-4 in the caribou cup open level...Not good. What has happened to the snipers, grinders, duece. Last year they had at least 4 teams at each level. I haven't heard much about those teams. Is the economy hitting the made too?

dogeatdog1 wrote:

HockeyDad41 wrote:Anyone have a run down on some of the other invite level programs?

Got a buddy that has a kid on the snipers. '99 0-4 in the caribou cup open level...Not good. What has happened to the snipers, grinders, duece. Last year they had at least 4 teams at each level. I haven't heard much about those teams. Is the economy hitting the made too?

See thread on Team Walser. The word on the street seems to be that Mn Made wants to shore up all those mediocre AAA teams, replace them with one strong open team, get corporate funding to offset the loss in profits from all those roster spots.

Shinbone_News wrote:

dogeatdog1 wrote:

HockeyDad41 wrote:Anyone have a run down on some of the other invite level programs?

Got a buddy that has a kid on the snipers. '99 0-4 in the caribou cup open level...Not good. What has happened to the snipers, grinders, duece. Last year they had at least 4 teams at each level. I haven't heard much about those teams. Is the economy hitting the made too?

See thread on Team Walser. The word on the street seems to be that Mn Made wants to shore up all those mediocre AAA teams, replace them with one strong open team, get corporate funding to offset the loss in profits from all those roster spots.

Doesn't make sense to me... isn't the Made model supposed to take all those mediocre kids and turn them into superstars if people spend the $$?

I would be dissapointed to see it if the Machine went the way of cutting the bottom 4 kids each year and and trying to replace them in lieu of developing them. Wait I think that is what all of the successful elite AAA teams do .

Pylon wrote:After seeing the results in the Caribou Cup, I thought I would go back through the season and see how the Machine teams faired at certain tournaments. yes....I am bored.
1999 Machine
Chi Town Shuffle Won 3-0 over the Blades
Stars Stripes Lost 7-1 to Bauer Selects
Subway Classic Lost 3-1 to Vancouver Selects
Caribou Cup Won 7-2 over Blades
2 firsts and 2 seconds.....Impressive

2000 Machine
Chi Town Shuffle won 3-1 over Pacific Selects
Stars Stripes Won 3-0 over Bauer Selects
Subway Won 2-1 over Manitoba Lightning
Caribou won 5-0 over Blades
4/4 Awesome!

2001 Machine
Chitown lost 8-1 to Bauer
Stars Stripes lost 8-3 to Bauer
Subway lost 5-2 to Team Sask Brick
Caribou won 10-4 over Northern Wings
1 first 3 seconds. Still darn good, lost to some good teams

2002 Machine
Chitown lost 5-1 To Manitoba Warriors
Stars Stripes lost 7-5 in Semi finals to Manitoba Warriors
Subway lost B side Final to Foothills mustangs
Easton Cup won 4-1 over Wisconsin Flyers
Caribou Cup won 4-2 over the Blades
2 firsts 1 second and a couple early exits. Once again impressive showing.....

I know i didn't get all the tournaments covered but is still paints a pretty impressive picture!!

9 tournament titles and 6 second place finishes.

I have felt the effects of this program with my child, i have to give them credit for what they continue to accomplish.

Did fine in MN againt other MN kids, but not so good in Canada and Select teams from US. Something missing at the Made, you have to know how to coach to win outside the State of MN. Get these kids some coaching and see how they do in North America. These are some of the best players coming up and they will represent our state, but they need coaching to bring out their best.

Anyone know how the 2002 Machine's first year compares to the 2001's? Looks like the 2003's are off to a good start for next year.

HockeyDad41 wrote:Anyone have a run down on some of the other invite level programs?

First, congratulations to the guys on the 8-11 y.o. Machine teams. The kids have earned some bragging rights.

As you may know, I am a director of the Blades. Because you asked, here is some information on the Blades performance over the last 12 months.

NHL Draft-Seven Blades chosen
NCAA Champions UMD-Seven Blades Players
World Champion USA U-18 team-Three Blades players
High School AA State Champions Eden Prairie: Five Blades players
High School A State Champions St. Thomas: Twelve Blades players

95 Blades-six U17 National team Five Nations players; 8 USHL Draft Picks, including the first overall: 8 expected NTDP (Ann Arbor-roster not yet finalized). 14 95 Blades at U16 National Camp.

96 Blades-Five freshman played Varsity. Nine 96 Blades at U15 National Camp.

terrymoore1717 wrote:

HockeyDad41 wrote:Anyone have a run down on some of the other invite level programs?

First, congratulations to the guys on the 8-11 y.o. Machine teams. The kids have earned some bragging rights.

As you may know, I am a director of the Blades. Because you asked, here is some information on the Blades performance over the last 12 months.

NHL Draft-Seven Blades chosen
NCAA Champions UMD-Seven Blades Players
World Champion USA U-18 team-Three Blades players
High School AA State Champions Eden Prairie: Five Blades players
High School A State Champions St. Thomas: Twelve Blades players

95 Blades-six U17 National team Five Nations players; 8 USHL Draft Picks, including the first overall: 8 expected NTDP (Ann Arbor-roster not yet finalized). 14 95 Blades at U16 National Camp.

96 Blades-Five freshman played Varsity. Nine 96 Blades at U15 National Camp.

Impressive!

How'd the AAA teams do this summer?

2000 Machine
Chi Town Shuffle won 3-1 over Pacific Selects
Stars Stripes Won 3-0 over Bauer Selects
Subway Won 2-1 over Manitoba Lightning
Caribou won 5-0 over Blades
4/4 Awesome!

Did fine in MN againt other MN kids, but not so good in Canada and Select teams from US. Something missing at the Made, you have to know how to coach to win outside the State of MN. Get these kids some coaching and see how they do in North America. These are some of the best players coming up and they will represent our state, but they need coaching to bring out their best.[/quote]


Looking at the results of how that 2000 group did, who they beat and how they beat them, you may want to not include them with your blanket statements about not beating teams from Canada and Select teams from US or knowing how to coach to win outside of MN

Mr great one or should we say average at best, seems like your an expert on the problems of other teams. Please tell us what the problem was for your 99 blades team this year?

terrymoore1717 wrote:

HockeyDad41 wrote:Anyone have a run down on some of the other invite level programs?

First, congratulations to the guys on the 8-11 y.o. Machine teams. The kids have earned some bragging rights.

As you may know, I am a director of the Blades. Because you asked, here is some information on the Blades performance over the last 12 months.

NHL Draft-Seven Blades chosen
NCAA Champions UMD-Seven Blades Players
World Champion USA U-18 team-Three Blades players
High School AA State Champions Eden Prairie: Five Blades players
High School A State Champions St. Thomas: Twelve Blades players

95 Blades-six U17 National team Five Nations players; 8 USHL Draft Picks, including the first overall: 8 expected NTDP (Ann Arbor-roster not yet finalized). 14 95 Blades at U16 National Camp.

96 Blades-Five freshman played Varsity. Nine 96 Blades at U15 National Camp.

Nobody asked that. The question was regarding this summer's tourney results.

It has been a little harder for me to find results for the Blades 2001 group. I know they entered some 2000 divisions.

1999 Blades
Chitown Shuffle lost 3-0 to Machine
Subway Classic, lost in C Consolation
Golden Walley won 5-1 over Midwest Selects
Caribou lost 7-2 to the Machine

2000 Blades
Chitown finished 4th in their pool, did not advance
Subway Lost in B side playoff game
Golden Walleye won vs midwest Selects 6-3
Caribou lost 5-0 to Machine

2001 Blades
Meltdown won 4-0 over Capitols
Brick, did not advance

2002 Blades
Meltdown lost 5-4 to Wisc Flyers
Subway Lost B side consolation game
Golden Walleye lost in finals to Toronto
Caribou lost in Finals to Machine

Still an impressive run by all teams. It was nice to see the 02 Blades improve as the season went on.

Deep Breath wrote:Can't speak to the 98s as I don't know how they did, but the 97s did well this year:

Stars n Stripes - 1st
Chi Town Shuffle - 2nd
North American Classic - 3rd
Caribou Classic - 3rd

97 Legacy was pretty good all Spring and Summer. They put a hurting on alot of teams

Meltdown -5th
Stars and Stripes- 2nd
Independant AAA -1st
International Cup- 2nd
Lake Superior Stars Cup- 2nd
Easton Cup -1st
Caribou Cup -1st

Bernies 97 Black/Torspo/Duece team did well too.

Independant AAA -2nd
International Cup 96 open 1st
Lake Superior Stars Cup- 1st
Easton Cup 96 open -2nd

97 RBK NATS were competitive

Chitown -Did not advance out of pool play
Stars and Stripes- Did not advance out of pool play
International Cup- 1st
Easton Cup -2nd
Caribou Cup -Semi's

97 Easton Stealth was competitive

Meltdown -2nd
Stars and Stripes- Did not advance out of pool play
Independant AAA -5th
Lake Superior Stars Cup- 3rd
Easton Cup -3rd

One thing i think you have to remember is that, some of the losses that are on a teams record are to some pretty darn good teams. Its not like these Minnesota teams are losing to average teams. A lot of the teams they have lost to are competitive with the best across North America.

Pylon wrote:One thing i think you have to remember is that, some of the losses that are on a teams record are to some pretty darn good teams. Its not like these Minnesota teams are losing to average teams. A lot of the teams they have lost to are competitive with the best across North America.

The other thing that you must realize is that kids whore around and play for all kinds of different teams in these open tourneys. Not always the open kids making the difference in those games. If the Machine or Blades are not playing tha weekend many times you will see those kids show up on a Legacy/Sniper/iceman or whatever team.

dogeatdog1 wrote:

Pylon wrote:One thing i think you have to remember is that, some of the losses that are on a teams record are to some pretty darn good teams. Its not like these Minnesota teams are losing to average teams. A lot of the teams they have lost to are competitive with the best across North America.

The other thing that you must realize is that kids whore around and play for all kinds of different teams in these open tourneys. Not always the open kids making the difference in those games. If the Machine or Blades are not playing tha weekend many times you will see those kids show up on a Legacy/Sniper/iceman or whatever team.

very true!

dogeatdog1 wrote:

Pylon wrote:One thing i think you have to remember is that, some of the losses that are on a teams record are to some pretty darn good teams. Its not like these Minnesota teams are losing to average teams. A lot of the teams they have lost to are competitive with the best across North America.

The other thing that you must realize is that kids whore around and play for all kinds of different teams in these open tourneys. Not always the open kids making the difference in those games. If the Machine or Blades are not playing tha weekend many times you will see those kids show up on a Legacy/Sniper/iceman or whatever team.

I don't think it's just those two teams doing that, although the Blades and Machine helmet stickers are pretty easy to spot. Usually on the kid rushing end to end and scoring.

Makes you wonder about the program directors/coaches that allow it.

terrymoore1717 wrote:
As you may know, I am a director of the Blades. Because you asked, here is some information on the Blades performance over the last 12 months.

NHL Draft-Seven Blades chosen
NCAA Champions UMD-Seven Blades Players
World Champion USA U-18 team-Three Blades players
High School AA State Champions Eden Prairie: Five Blades players
High School A State Champions St. Thomas: Twelve Blades players

95 Blades-six U17 National team Five Nations players; 8 USHL Draft Picks, including the first overall: 8 expected NTDP (Ann Arbor-roster not yet finalized). 14 95 Blades at U16 National Camp.

96 Blades-Five freshman played Varsity. Nine 96 Blades at U15 National Camp.

Were these particular kids born or made?

Good One!!!! Some 98's are Made.....

Benito Juarez wrote:

terrymoore1717 wrote:
As you may know, I am a director of the Blades. Because you asked, here is some information on the Blades performance over the last 12 months.

NHL Draft-Seven Blades chosen
NCAA Champions UMD-Seven Blades Players
World Champion USA U-18 team-Three Blades players
High School AA State Champions Eden Prairie: Five Blades players
High School A State Champions St. Thomas: Twelve Blades players

95 Blades-six U17 National team Five Nations players; 8 USHL Draft Picks, including the first overall: 8 expected NTDP (Ann Arbor-roster not yet finalized). 14 95 Blades at U16 National Camp.

96 Blades-Five freshman played Varsity. Nine 96 Blades at U15 National Camp.

Were these particular kids born or made?

terrymoore1717 wrote:
First, congratulations to the guys on the 8-11 y.o. Machine teams. The kids have earned some bragging rights.

As you may know, I am a director of the Blades. Because you asked, here is some information on the Blades performance over the last 12 months.

NHL Draft-Seven Blades chosen
NCAA Champions UMD-Seven Blades Players
World Champion USA U-18 team-Three Blades players
High School AA State Champions Eden Prairie: Five Blades players
High School A State Champions St. Thomas: Twelve Blades players

95 Blades-six U17 National team Five Nations players; 8 USHL Draft Picks, including the first overall: 8 expected NTDP (Ann Arbor-roster not yet finalized). 14 95 Blades at U16 National Camp.

96 Blades-Five freshman played Varsity. Nine 96 Blades at U15 National Camp.

One feels compelled to ask: Does the Blades make players great, or do great players make the Blades? Don't the kids' associations have something to do with all this success?

Not sayin', just sayin'

Shinbone_News wrote:

terrymoore1717 wrote:
First, congratulations to the guys on the 8-11 y.o. Machine teams. The kids have earned some bragging rights.

As you may know, I am a director of the Blades. Because you asked, here is some information on the Blades performance over the last 12 months.

NHL Draft-Seven Blades chosen
NCAA Champions UMD-Seven Blades Players
World Champion USA U-18 team-Three Blades players
High School AA State Champions Eden Prairie: Five Blades players
High School A State Champions St. Thomas: Twelve Blades players

95 Blades-six U17 National team Five Nations players; 8 USHL Draft Picks, including the first overall: 8 expected NTDP (Ann Arbor-roster not yet finalized). 14 95 Blades at U16 National Camp.

96 Blades-Five freshman played Varsity. Nine 96 Blades at U15 National Camp.

One feels compelled to ask: Does the Blades make players great, or do great players make the Blades? Don't the kids' associations have something to do with all this success?

Not sayin', just sayin'

Or do great players gravitate towards the organization (Blades) due to higher exposure tournaments and quality coaching at the higher levels. No one can argue the fact the Blades can hold together teams at higher levels while the other organization's teams dissolve. Another example may be at the 98 level with the orange team struggling with player exodus and not being able to compete any longer at the elite level. Yes, the Machine competes and wins at the younger levels with extremely talented players, but when the game becomes more complex, what seems to always happen. There is something missing with the Machine organization setup where families feel they must leave to find development elsewhere. Yes, of course, kids' associations have a part in success.

High Off The Glass wrote:

Shinbone_News wrote:

terrymoore1717 wrote:
First, congratulations to the guys on the 8-11 y.o. Machine teams. The kids have earned some bragging rights.

As you may know, I am a director of the Blades. Because you asked, here is some information on the Blades performance over the last 12 months.

NHL Draft-Seven Blades chosen
NCAA Champions UMD-Seven Blades Players
World Champion USA U-18 team-Three Blades players
High School AA State Champions Eden Prairie: Five Blades players
High School A State Champions St. Thomas: Twelve Blades players

95 Blades-six U17 National team Five Nations players; 8 USHL Draft Picks, including the first overall: 8 expected NTDP (Ann Arbor-roster not yet finalized). 14 95 Blades at U16 National Camp.

96 Blades-Five freshman played Varsity. Nine 96 Blades at U15 National Camp.

One feels compelled to ask: Does the Blades make players great, or do great players make the Blades? Don't the kids' associations have something to do with all this success?

Not sayin', just sayin'

Or do great players gravitate towards the organization (Blades) due to higher exposure tournaments and quality coaching at the higher levels. No one can argue the fact the Blades can hold together teams at higher levels while the other organization's teams dissolve. Another example may be at the 98 level with the orange team struggling with player exodus and not being able to compete any longer at the elite level. Yes, the Machine competes and wins at the younger levels with extremely talented players, but when the game becomes more complex, what seems to always happen. There is something missing with the Machine organization setup where families feel they must leave to find development elsewhere. Yes, of course, kids' associations have a part in success.

Once again, someone who hasn't got a clue as to why Machine players move on......they move on because of the development. They move up in age bracket and on to other teams outside of Minnesota Hockey where the hockey is truly much better. There is another world out there beyond Minnesota AAA hockey!