6AA Seeds
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:47 am
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:33 pm
This section should have some fun games to watch, there are teams in here that are capable of pulling a big upset agains some of the top teams in the state. While I don't think it's fair to have this many good teams in one section, it should make these games very fun to watch!!!!!
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:49 pm
Ya, lets spread out the cities teams to get more city teams in the state tournament, thats more fair. Oh wait, its called a STATE tournament, not the Cities Tournament.
Re: 6AA Seeds
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:01 pm
This is now updated:ghshockeyfan wrote:http://mshsl.org/mshsl/showxmlbrackets. ... acket=6395
Needs to be populated for 2013
http://mshsl.org/mshsl/showxmlbrackets. ... acket=6395
#1 Minnetonka
#2 Benilde
#3 Hopkins
#4 Buffalo
#5 Wayzata
#6 Armstrong/Cooper
#7 Maple Grove
#8 North Metro
Re: 6AA Seeds
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:03 pm
ghshockeyfan wrote:This is now updated:ghshockeyfan wrote:http://mshsl.org/mshsl/showxmlbrackets. ... acket=6395
Needs to be populated for 2013
http://mshsl.org/mshsl/showxmlbrackets. ... acket=6395
#1 Minnetonka
#2 Benilde
#3 Hopkins
#4 Buffalo
#5 Wayzata
#6 Armstrong/Cooper
#7 Maple Grove
#8 North Metro
KRACH said:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20130203.htm
1 Benilde-St. Margaret's 23-2-0 826.425 AA 6
2 Minnetonka 21-4-0 748.291 AA 6
7 Buffalo 18-6-0 178.977 AA 6
10 Hopkins 16-6-2 155.279 AA 6
14 Wayzata 14-10-1 115.943 AA 6
20 Robbinsdale Armstrong/Cooper 15-8-2 61.281 AA 6
33 Maple Grove 12-10-2 40.562 AA 6
71 North Metro 5-18-1 4.715 AA 6
Voters inverted 1/2 & 3/4. Maybe this was due to head-to-head play?
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:29 pm
I can't be the only surprised with this one? You know you are in a tough section when you are number 1 in state in all the polls and you end up with the second seed at sections. As for head to head, BSM beat Tonka at Pagel 3 zip and Tonka returned the favor 2-1 at a neutral site when both teams were missing players so that doesn't seem to explain much. Must be voters believe the Lake Conference schedule carries all the weight. Seems like Buffalo was disrespected as well so there is a good chance the semis will end up the same either way. But, with this section anything is possible.
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:30 pm
I can't be the only surprised with this one? You know you are in a tough section when you are number 1 in state in all the polls and you end up with the second seed at sections. As for head to head, BSM beat Tonka at Pagel 3 zip and Tonka returned the favor 2-1 at a neutral site when both teams were missing players so that doesn't seem to explain much. Must be voters believe the Lake Conference schedule carries all the weight. Seems like Buffalo was disrespected as well so there is a good chance the semis will end up the same either way. But, with this section anything is possible.
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:55 pm
Tonka and BSM split the season matchup, BSM winning the first, Tonka the second. Tonka was without 2 national U18 players and BSM without 1 national U18 player the second game. Tonka had the much tougher schedule. Maybe SOS is becoming more important in coaches' minds? Maybe the voting politics were enough to swing the balance in Tonka's favor (e.g., maybe the "second tier" coaches would rather play Tonka than BSM since two of them have already beaten Tonka)?
Buffalo has been a giant-killer this year. Wayzata and Hopkins both beat Tonka this year. Tonka and BSM are both playing well right now. Any one of the top 5 seeds could win it, though. The Lake conference is by far the toughest in the state (2 state champions, 1 2nd place, 1 3rd place finish the past two years) and by far the toughest this year. I too admit to being surprised. Usually the better record takes the day.
Buffalo has been a giant-killer this year. Wayzata and Hopkins both beat Tonka this year. Tonka and BSM are both playing well right now. Any one of the top 5 seeds could win it, though. The Lake conference is by far the toughest in the state (2 state champions, 1 2nd place, 1 3rd place finish the past two years) and by far the toughest this year. I too admit to being surprised. Usually the better record takes the day.
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:59 pm
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:07 pm
How does it work?
Do the coaches vote?
If so, the 3 Lake Conference coaches could probably have helped Tonka.
I'm surprised BSM isn't #1 but both teams should advance to the final. However the Hopkins goalie is capable of winning a game all by herself.
Do the coaches vote?
If so, the 3 Lake Conference coaches could probably have helped Tonka.
I'm surprised BSM isn't #1 but both teams should advance to the final. However the Hopkins goalie is capable of winning a game all by herself.
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:10 pm
One thing that we don't know, as I assume no one here was at the seeding mtg, is if this was a tie breaker scenario at the very top. Not sure - but these things do happen...
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:12 pm
From another thread:D6 Girls Fan wrote:How does it work?
Do the coaches vote?
If so, the 3 Lake Conference coaches could probably have helped Tonka.
ghshockeyfan wrote:Politics? Positioning ones team to do well...sinbin wrote:So how are section seedings determined? Meeting of coaches, everyone pleading their case, best overall record, best KRACH/other ranking systems, head-to-head, intangibles, voting and re-voting, etc.?
My memory is fading, but this was how I remember 10 of these sessions going:
1) Consider head-to-head
2) Common opponents (score diff if similar W/L/T results)
3) Strength of schedule & overall record
4) Other accomplishments and/or extenuating circumstances faced
(Computerized rankings were rarely, if ever, discussed)
Coaches rank every team but their own, usually high and low ranks are thrown out as to not skew the average.
Coaches usually were able to first give a couple minute high-level summary of their season and where they see their team falling.
These were sometimes frustrating, sometimes funny, or somewhere inbetween.
I remember my first seeding mtg (back when there was only one class - so about a dozen teams per section) and everyone was making their 2 minute talk about the four items above and then came the coach of a small-school team with little to say about on-ice accomplishments. He simply said "we're really good in the classroom"
That's what I recall anyway.
Re: 6AA Seeds
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:41 pm
ok, because I did such a good job last year at predictions for U14 last year, I'll take a shot at sections;ghshockeyfan wrote:This is now updated:ghshockeyfan wrote:http://mshsl.org/mshsl/showxmlbrackets. ... acket=6395
Needs to be populated for 2013
http://mshsl.org/mshsl/showxmlbrackets. ... acket=6395
#1 Minnetonka
#2 Benilde
#3 Hopkins
#4 Buffalo
#5 Wayzata
#6 Armstrong/Cooper
#7 Maple Grove
#8 North Metro
'Tonka over North Metro
BSM over MG
Hopkins over A/C
Buffalo over Wayzata
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:38 pm
I think Sinbin probably has a couple good theories. Really doesn't matter as you need to beat everyone at the end of the day. Just seems a bit odd. Interestingly, BSM was 4-1 against the Lake Conference with all 4 wins being fairly solid: Tonka 3-0; Edina 3-0; Wayzata 3-1 and EP 5-1. The conference leaders were 6-3 and both lost to BSM, so it seems BSM had some positive exposure to that conference. Should be an exciting Section!sinbin wrote:Tonka and BSM split the season matchup, BSM winning the first, Tonka the second. Tonka was without 2 national U18 players and BSM without 1 national U18 player the second game. Tonka had the much tougher schedule. Maybe SOS is becoming more important in coaches' minds? Maybe the voting politics were enough to swing the balance in Tonka's favor (e.g., maybe the "second tier" coaches would rather play Tonka than BSM since two of them have already beaten Tonka)?
Buffalo has been a giant-killer this year. Wayzata and Hopkins both beat Tonka this year. Tonka and BSM are both playing well right now. Any one of the top 5 seeds could win it, though. The Lake conference is by far the toughest in the state (2 state champions, 1 2nd place, 1 3rd place finish the past two years) and by far the toughest this year. I too admit to being surprised. Usually the better record takes the day.
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:57 am
The four teams that don't make it out of this section, can still say they had great seasons. What a section, The stands should be packed for all games.
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:29 pm
Buffalo might have a chance in just about any other section.
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:55 pm
Although I wouldn't totally rule them out of 6AA either! They've already proven they can beat higher ranked teams like BSM, EP and Warroad. They just need to somehow put three games together as a lack of consistency has been a real issue with them.Marty wrote:Buffalo might have a chance in just about any other section.
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:59 am
Lets hope they send an experienced reffing crew to this section, and the call non-bias games. If not, next we will be talking about team "x" lost to team "y" because the ref's
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:33 am
What happened to Hopkins?????
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:45 am
Bighead wrote:What happened to Hopkins?????
Choked
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:20 pm
Not the nicest thing to say, but true.
And Maple Grove showed the way to beat BSM, but just didn't have the horses to do it. Play tough, get in front of them. BSM just lacks size and toughness. I think Tonka will have their way if BSM plays like they did last night.
And Maple Grove showed the way to beat BSM, but just didn't have the horses to do it. Play tough, get in front of them. BSM just lacks size and toughness. I think Tonka will have their way if BSM plays like they did last night.
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:21 pm
Tonka has to get by Buffalo first. No easy games the rest of the way (until one of these D6 teams makes it to State).
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:15 pm
I agree Maple Grove played a great game and they played very good defense. But I think what they showed in terms of how to beat BSM is tricking them into hitting 7 pipes. I would say that was the biggest factor in keeping the score close. Tonka and BSM both have a lot of work to do before we get to watch "Tonka have their way with BSM".U10Father wrote:Not the nicest thing to say, but true.
And Maple Grove showed the way to beat BSM, but just didn't have the horses to do it. Play tough, get in front of them. BSM just lacks size and toughness. I think Tonka will have their way if BSM plays like they did last night.
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:53 pm
Actually it was kind of a jack a$$ coment and not true. Armstrong played a great game, the were physical and fast. The only penalty called was a major for boarding on Armstrong other than that the refs let them play, that (really physical play) has not been a strong point for Hopkins this year. You have to give it to the Falcons though they took away space and never stoped moving thier feet. In talking to a parent from thier team they said it was the best game of the year for them. They were ranked in the top 20 coming in and played like a team that belonged there.U10Father wrote:Not the nicest thing to say, but true.
And Maple Grove showed the way to beat BSM, but just didn't have the horses to do it. Play tough, get in front of them. BSM just lacks size and toughness. I think Tonka will have their way if BSM plays like they did last night.
If Armstrong brings that same game vs BSM they will make it a game.
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:18 pm
I was very surprised by Armstrong, and I agree that it was not a choke by Hopkins. They had chances. But I do agree that if the refs let 'em play, that BSM might have a problem even before they get to Tonka. Tonka looks like they're a machine. Unless Buffalo plays their best game I don't see them slowing Tonka down. BSM's speed might be too much for Armstrong.