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state tournament officiating

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:24 am
by duluth dave
Is it just me, or do the bad calls or no calls seem to go against northern teams always? Hermantown this year Duluths east goal in overtime vs apple valley which no one seemed to see but was posted in the net in the duluth paper. Or the game winning goal buy Hill Murray against East that was at least 5 feet offside in the third period. Excuse me if I don,t remember the years. Grand rapids leaading Bloomington Jefferson in the third period late delay of game with Grand Rapids in the Bloomington End for shooting the puck over the boards?

Re: state tournament officiating

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:21 am
by WarmUpTheBus
duluth dave wrote:Is it just me, or do the bad calls or no calls seem to go against northern teams always? Hermantown this year Duluths east goal in overtime vs apple valley which no one seemed to see but was posted in the net in the duluth paper. Or the game winning goal buy Hill Murray against East that was at least 5 feet offside in the third period. Excuse me if I don,t remember the years. Grand rapids leaading Bloomington Jefferson in the third period late delay of game with Grand Rapids in the Bloomington End for shooting the puck over the boards?
It's just you.

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:42 am
by northwoods oldtimer
Duluth Dave you are seeing a trend that sure has some backing in bad calls that is for sure. Of course if you are from Apply Valley and the city for St. Thomas you think the officiating is fantastic.

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:47 am
by mulefarm
I guess they don't use refs from the north in the state tournament?

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:33 am
by blindref
The referees in the Hermantown/ St. Thomas game grew up in East Grand Forks and Fargo.
They have both worked multiple State Tournaments and one worked the WCHA for years.

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:20 am
by east hockey
blindref wrote:The referees in the Hermantown/ St. Thomas game grew up in East Grand Forks and Fargo.
They have both worked multiple State Tournaments and one worked the WCHA for years.
Well, that explains it. :mrgreen:

Lee

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:30 am
by Froggy Richards
blindref wrote:The referees in the Hermantown/ St. Thomas game grew up in East Grand Forks and Fargo.
They have both worked multiple State Tournaments and one worked the WCHA for years.
Yes, but you must tell the whole story. The ref from Fargo dated a girl from Hermantown in college at NDSU and she left him for the Resident Advisor. One of the linesman was in the Hermantown Wal-Mart 4 years ago and thought one of the greeters at the door gave him a condescending look. The other ref had his son's skates sharpened at Stauber Brothers once and swears he got a bad edge, costing his son a Division 1 scholarship. All three of them swore they would get even someday and sure enough.............

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:41 am
by GolfGuy7900
Froggy Richards wrote:
blindref wrote:The referees in the Hermantown/ St. Thomas game grew up in East Grand Forks and Fargo.
They have both worked multiple State Tournaments and one worked the WCHA for years.
Yes, but you must tell the whole story. The ref from Fargo dated a girl from Hermantown in college at NDSU and she left him for the Resident Advisor. One of the linesman was in the Hermantown Wal-Mart 4 years ago and thought one of the greeters at the door gave him a condescending look. The other ref had his son's skates sharpened at Stauber Brothers once and swears he got a bad edge, costing his son a Division 1 scholarship. All three of them swore they would get even someday and sure enough.............
\:D/

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:35 am
by bauerman
would have to agree Dave its just you.

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:36 am
by Deck Slide
east hockey wrote:
blindref wrote:The referees in the Hermantown/ St. Thomas game grew up in East Grand Forks and Fargo.
They have both worked multiple State Tournaments and one worked the WCHA for years.
Well, that explains it. :mrgreen:

Lee
DITTO...

The refs in the WCHA over the years have been sub par to say the least!!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:32 am
by nahc
Duluth Dave: Totally agree. Not sure how to fix. Previous threads have discussed this exact topic......during the season is bad enough but it is so glaring in the State Tourney.......and almost laughable to hear 45's commentators try to defend the calls........

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:50 pm
by Immigrant Fan
I was surprised by number of northern home towns claimed for the officiating crew members at the state tournament. That doesn't address the issue of a bias against northern teams, but collectively as a group, it suggests if there is a bias, it is not systematic. Of course, that does not eliminate the potential for individual biases.

An interesting, viscerally satisfying topic, but short of an in-depth, quantitative analysis, probably not leading to any constructive ends...

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:52 pm
by nota612er
east hockey wrote:
blindref wrote:The referees in the Hermantown/ St. Thomas game grew up in East Grand Forks and Fargo.
They have both worked multiple State Tournaments and one worked the WCHA for years.
Well, that explains it. :mrgreen:

Lee
This one made me laugh...the first comment my high school aged daughter said to me after the STA/Hermantown game was "Is that ref's last name Sheppard?!"...gotta love hockey sisters, they know the game!

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:23 pm
by east hockey
nota612er wrote:
east hockey wrote:
blindref wrote:The referees in the Hermantown/ St. Thomas game grew up in East Grand Forks and Fargo.
They have both worked multiple State Tournaments and one worked the WCHA for years.
Well, that explains it. :mrgreen:

Lee
This one made me laugh...the first comment my high school aged daughter said to me after the STA/Hermantown game was "Is that ref's last name Sheppard?!"...gotta love hockey sisters, they know the game!
Sheppard came to mind with me, also. :lol:

Lee

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:46 am
by inthestands
Big or small, any close hockey game usually comes down to questionable officiating for one of the teams..

Been that way as long as I can remember.

A wise man here said it best. Championship teams don't put themselves in a position to "lose" on a bad call from the officials.. Or something similar to that.

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:07 am
by observer
They had dinner reservations.

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:08 am
by Sartellcelly
FWIW from another chat string on this board:


Nostalgic Nerd wrote:
I do apologize for being a bit late...


Power Play
Edina 3/4 (Opponent 2/9) -5
Hill-Murray 1/10 (Opp. 3/9) +1
Duluth East 1/7 (Opp. 1/5) +2
Wayzata 2/12 (Opp. 1/13) -1
Moorhead 3/17 (Opp. 3/14) +3
Eastview 2/17 (Opp. 4/18 -1
Lakeville North 4/9 (Opp. 3/9) 0
Centennial 2/11 (Opp. 0/10) +1


Thanks for the stats.

Why did the Northern schools get more power play opportunities than the metro teams?

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:52 pm
by duluth dave
I did not refer to number of calls, I meant bad calls non calls and game deciding calls.

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:19 am
by MNHockeyFan
duluth dave wrote:I did not refer to number of calls, I meant bad calls non calls and game deciding calls.
Your judgement of those is as subjective as the official calls out on the ice! How are you going to measure them objectively?

Answer: you can't!

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:23 am
by 57special
The only time one can be sure of biased reffing in MN is when a Metro team plays up north against a northern team. The only exception to that rule I've found is in Roseau.

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:06 am
by nota612er
57special wrote:The only time one can be sure of biased reffing in MN is when a Metro team plays up north against a northern team. The only exception to that rule I've found is in Roseau.
I'm not sure about the Roseau comment, but your point is dead on. Is it coincidence that a rather (in)famous bar in Hibbing called the "Homer" is only a few blocks away from the Memorial Building?! :D

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:59 pm
by HShockeywatcher
It is still interesting to me that a week after the tournament is over grown men (I'm assuming here) are doing exactly what we spend year trying to teach young children not to do.
It is even more interesting to me that many are doing this publicly and few are questioning them.

"Championship teams don't put themselves in a position to "lose" on a bad call from the officials.. Or something similar to that."
Hmmm... 8)

HSHW

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:16 pm
by blueblood
HSHW:

A few questions for you:

1) do have a real job? :wink:

2) are you alerted to every blog posting related to private school hs hockey :shock:

2) don't you know when to quit when you're ahead... ](*,)

3) if you call the penalty on the hermantown Dman with <2 minutes to go, how do you not call the calf-roping horse collar by the STA player? =;

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:56 pm
by pekyman
HShockeywatcher wrote:It is still interesting to me that a week after the tournament is over grown men (I'm assuming here) are doing exactly what we spend year trying to teach young children not to do.
It is even more interesting to me that many are doing this publicly and few are questioning them.

"Championship teams don't put themselves in a position to "lose" on a bad call from the officials.. Or something similar to that."
Hmmm... 8)
A Triple A Private Metro All-Star Team beat a small town, small school class a community team by 1 goal on the power play after questionable officiating.
A team that you had ranked out of or bottom of the top 10 for most of the season.
Kind of a joke that that was the best your private all-stars with kids from all over the Midwest could do.
Hermantown was the true champions of that game regardless of what the score was. STA -plastic team, plastic trophy. 8)

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:49 am
by duluth dave
I started this thread on actual calls made in state tournament games. I would like to ask the metro crew to name me some games were metro teams lost games "In the state tournament" to a northern team on a bad or decisive call.