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Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 3:50 pm**

http://public.tableausoftware.com/views ... y_count=no

Not sure how many HS coaches want this info spread.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 7:53 pm**

Not understanding how ratios and proportions work is definitely a reason to go to the CHL.

Posted: **Sat May 25, 2013 12:43 am**

I would not take this route. You limit you choices and your time. You are better off going to USHL then college. CHL is to risky and coaches have a business to run. Go to college.

Posted: **Sat May 25, 2013 8:41 am**

Looks like the NHL (Nigerian Hockey League) is starting to develop pro players

Have any MN kids gone that route?

Posted: **Sat May 25, 2013 10:31 am**

Wow..That is borderline racist remark you just made. If you knew what you were talking about, you know it is field hockey not ice hockey.

Posted: **Sun May 26, 2013 9:13 am**

Oh spectator, put your race card back in it's holster. The word Nigerian is not a racist word, it is a country. Warm bus is trying to use her humor to compare going to Nigeria to train for hockey to be as crazy as going to the CHL. I think some folks should talk to the parents of players that have gone the CHL route and get some real insight about the league. Perhaps even watch the Memorial Cup, if you are interested in some amazing hockey!!

Posted: **Sun May 26, 2013 12:51 pm**

imlisteningtothefnsong wrote:Oh spectator, put your race card back in it's holster. The word Nigerian is not a racist word, it is a country. Warm bus is trying to use her humor to compare going to Nigeria to train for hockey to be as crazy as going to the CHL. I think some folks should talk to the parents of players that have gone the CHL route and get some real insight about the league. Perhaps even watch the Memorial Cup, if you are interested in some amazing hockey!!

Plenty of equally amazing hockey right here, so I don't see any reason to go the CHL route.

Posted: **Sun May 26, 2013 4:51 pm**

No reason to go in my opinion.

Posted: **Mon May 27, 2013 2:49 pm**

The CHL produces the most NHL players in the world. If you are talented enough its a great way to go. Look at the NHL central scouting list. Dominated by CHL players.

Posted: **Mon May 27, 2013 6:24 pm**

Bruins wrote:The CHL produces the most NHL players in the world. If you are talented enough its a great way to go. Look at the NHL central scouting list. Dominated by CHL players.

Because of the players that go in, not because it does a better job of creating NHL players. If the NCAA was the primary development route for Canadian kids, it would produce more NHL players than any league in the World.

In fact, the number of kids going to the NHL from NCAA has risen significantly and continues to rise. Like I said, no reason to go CHL route. If you are good enough to play in the NHL, you will. Get an education to fall back on in process.

Posted: **Mon May 27, 2013 7:37 pm**

I really don't have any great loyalty to NCAA hockey (or the NCAA at all), but at least my college did teach me the difference between correlation and causation.

http://www.stats.org/faq_vs.htm

Posted: **Mon May 27, 2013 8:56 pm**

Players also get a scholarship while playing in the CHL. The scholarship is good for schools in the US and Canada. Not sure why you think this would be a bad choice.

Posted: **Mon May 27, 2013 9:16 pm**

Bruins wrote:Players also get a scholarship while playing in the CHL. The scholarship is good for schools in the US and Canada. Not sure why you think this would be a bad choice.

Who said it's a "bad" choice? I just disagree with your premise for making the choice. And do a little more research on those scholarships. They fall well short of what is available via the NCAA route.

Posted: **Mon May 27, 2013 9:52 pm**

I dont agree. The actual dollar value is better. My premise is that the draft numbers dont lie. Just saying "I dont like the CHL"is not a good reason.

Posted: **Tue May 28, 2013 7:31 am**

Bruins wrote:I dont agree. The actual dollar value is better. My premise is that the draft numbers dont lie. Just saying "I dont like the CHL"is not a good reason.

Not because it's a better development route. And you can keep trying to put words in my mouth until you're blue in the face, but it's only hurting your argument.

- I never said the CHL would be a "bad choice"
- I never said "I don't like the CHL"

Anything else you want to pretend I said?

I did say the # of NHL draft picks the CHL produces isn't because it is a better development route. They get the most talent coming in, so it is only logical that they will produce the most draft picks. If the NCAA was the primary development route for kids in Canada, the NCAA would produce more draft picks.

The false assumption you are making is that the high # of draft picks the CHL creates means they would do a better job of turning your kid into an NHL draft pick. Not true. The NCAA does as good of a job in turning the talent it gets into NHL draft picks.

And the graduation rate for kids who go the NCAA route is much higher.

If the CHL scholarship system is so great, how come only 32% of players are taking advantage of it?

http://www.westerncollegehockeyblog.com ... in-the-chl

More perspective on subject:

http://www.westerncollegehockeyblog.com ... s-from-chl

So, NCAA hockey would be my recommended development route for American kids for these reasons. They do as good of a job developing the talent they get, and the kids they develops have a higher graduation rate (by far).

Posted: **Tue May 28, 2013 10:58 am**

If you want to get drafted higher than you should go to CHL, if you want to get educated and have the same opportunity to make the NHL go NCAA route. More NCAA players in the NHL now than ever before and less CHL players now than ever before. 33% of NHL players came from NCAA up from 20% in the 2000 NHL season. The CHL had over 75% of NHL players going back 20-30 years today mid 50's. In other words stay in school.
59 NCAA D1 hockey programs
60 CHL teams

Posted: **Tue May 28, 2013 1:43 pm**

minnscout wrote:If you want to get drafted higher than you should go to CHL, if you want to get educated and have the same opportunity to make the NHL go NCAA route. More NCAA players in the NHL now than ever before and less CHL players now than ever before. 33% of NHL players came from NCAA up from 20% in the 2000 NHL season. The CHL had over 75% of NHL players going back 20-30 years today mid 50's. In other words stay in school.
59 NCAA D1 hockey programs
60 CHL teams

100% AGREE

And who's going to remember you around here if you go the CHL route and never make the NHL? Heck, there are Hockey legends walking around our local rinks that didn't have the stuff to touch the ice in the NHL.

Minnesota has had around 25 1st round draft choices over the last 10 or so years.... Almost a whole years worth of first rounders over just a ten year span!

Go for a State Championship, Get a great year or two in playing in the USHL, Play for one of our great D-1 programs in this state and receive a degree that will earn you a good living for a lifetime... The NHL will easily find you if you have the stuff.

Do the 60% of CHL kids that don't go to college or the NHL end up driving the Canadian timber trucks?

Posted: **Tue May 28, 2013 2:31 pm**

Do the 60% of CHL kids that don't go to college or the NHL end up driving the Canadian timber trucks?

I've seen Ice Road Truckers....those guys make a lot of money!!

I am a fan of the CHL. Played there (WHL). I also played High School in MN and USHL (before WHL) they are all great options.

I have seen a lot of great players not make it to NCAA level after juniors. Way to many people think this is a "sure thing" for a great HS/Junior player, and it's NOT!! The fact is, most USHL players do not get "full rides" or even partial D1 scholarships and end up paying near full price for College anyway (and still not play). D3 is still a great option but there are no athletic schlarships for that either.

There is nothing wrong with a kid wanting to play the highest level of Juniors and take a chance at making a run at the NHL via the best statistical route possible. If it doesn't work out, go to Canadian College and play or go play on Europe for a few years.

The thought that if you go to the CHL "your life is over" is ridiculous. It is a great option for development at the highest level. There is a reason it produces the most NHL draft picks!!

Posted: **Tue May 28, 2013 2:41 pm**

MrBoDangles wrote:
minnscout wrote:If you want to get drafted higher than you should go to CHL, if you want to get educated and have the same opportunity to make the NHL go NCAA route. More NCAA players in the NHL now than ever before and less CHL players now than ever before. 33% of NHL players came from NCAA up from 20% in the 2000 NHL season. The CHL had over 75% of NHL players going back 20-30 years today mid 50's. In other words stay in school.
59 NCAA D1 hockey programs
60 CHL teams
100% AGREE

And who's going to remember you around here if you go the CHL route and never make the NHL? Heck, there are Hockey legends walking around our local rinks that didn't have the stuff to touch the ice in the NHL.

Minnesota has had around 25 1st round draft choices over the last 10 or so years.... Almost a whole years worth of first rounders over just a ten year span!

Go for a State Championship, Get a great year or two in playing in the USHL, Play for one of our great D-1 programs in this state and receive a degree that will earn you a good living for a lifetime... The NHL will easily find you if you have the stuff.

Do the 60% of CHL kids that don't go to college or the NHL end up driving the Canadian timber trucks?

Couldn't have said it any better.

Posted: **Tue May 28, 2013 2:43 pm**

oldschoolpuckster wrote:
Do the 60% of CHL kids that don't go to college or the NHL end up driving the Canadian timber trucks?
I've seen Ice Road Truckers....those guys make a lot of money!!

I am a fan of the CHL. Played there (WHL). I also played High School in MN and USHL (before WHL) they are all great options.

I have seen a lot of great players not make it to NCAA level after juniors. Way to many people think this is a "sure thing" for a great HS/Junior player, and it's NOT!! The fact is, most USHL players do not get "full rides" or even partial D1 scholarships and end up paying near full price for College anyway (and still not play). D3 is still a great option but there are no athletic schlarships for that either.

There is nothing wrong with a kid wanting to play the highest level of Juniors and take a chance at making a run at the NHL via the best statistical route possible. If it doesn't work out, go to Canadian College and play or go play on Europe for a few years.

The thought that if you go to the CHL "your life is over" is ridiculous. It is a great option for development at the highest level. There is a reason it produces the most NHL draft picks!!

Yeah, but EVERY kid who plays NCAA hockey gets an education while they play. Whereas only 1/3 of kids who go the CHL route ever use the financial package that is provided.

ONE THIRD!!

And there is a very good reason it produces the most NHL draft picks. It is the primary development route for Canadian kids. It's a numbers game. If as many kids in this country played hockey as they do football, NCAA Hockey would produce far and away more NHL players.

Fact remains, there is zero evidence the CHL is a better developmental league than NCAA Hockey. In fact, NCAA hockey has, and continues to, close the gap on the # of NHL players produced as hockey continues to grow in this country.

Posted: **Tue May 28, 2013 4:07 pm**

oldschoolpuckster wrote: The fact is, most USHL players do not get "full rides" or even partial D1 scholarships and end up paying near full price for College anyway (and still not play).

Please substantiate this "fact".

Posted: **Tue May 28, 2013 4:22 pm**

edgeless2 wrote:http://public.tableausoftware.com/views ... y_count=no

Not sure how many HS coaches want this info spread.

Now compare that to 2012 to see which way the wind is blowing...

http://public.tableausoftware.com/share ... y_count=no

It looks to me like you're better off playing for Shattuck than for almost any other CHL team save London. You're better off playing for Lincoln of the USHL than most other CHL teams. You're best bet is to play for the USNTDP.

The CHL shills in this forum are getting more and more shameless and desperate as the NCAA, USNTDP, and USHL continue to gain ground against the CHL as sources of NHL talent.

Keep your options open kids. The CHL can wait until you're 18. By then, the paths available are much more visible.

Posted: **Tue May 28, 2013 4:38 pm**

O-townClown wrote:
oldschoolpuckster wrote: The fact is, most USHL players do not get "full rides" or even partial D1 scholarships and end up paying near full price for College anyway (and still not play).
Please substantiate this "fact".

He can't, it's not true.

512 players suited up for at least 1 USHL game and 315 suited up for at least 28 USHL games last season (64 regular season games). There were 314 college committed players (with more committing in the future). So, odds are that even if you're a bench player in the USHL, you can earn a D1 roster spot. There are 18 scholarships on a 27 man NCAA roster (66.7%).

The math doesn't work for oldschoolhuckster. The fact is, most USHL players DO earn a D1 scholarship.

Posted: **Tue May 28, 2013 8:47 pm**

Posted: **Tue May 28, 2013 8:49 pm**

The Exiled One wrote:
O-townClown wrote:
oldschoolpuckster wrote: The fact is, most USHL players do not get "full rides" or even partial D1 scholarships and end up paying near full price for College anyway (and still not play).
Please substantiate this "fact".
He can't, it's not true.

512 players suited up for at least 1 USHL game and 315 suited up for at least 28 USHL games last season (64 regular season games). There were 314 college committed players (with more committing in the future). So, odds are that even if you're a bench player in the USHL, you can earn a D1 roster spot. There are 18 scholarships on a 27 man NCAA roster (66.7%).

The math doesn't work for oldschoolhuckster. The fact is, most USHL players DO earn a D1 scholarship.

You are such an idiot. One of the biggest shill in this forum. A classic NCAA bootlicker willing to bend the truth and spin the facts .

Oldschool is 100% correct that most USHL players don't get "full rides". In fact, almost nobody gets a full ride these days.

FACT:

NCAA schools can roster 30 players. The average is 27, yet they have only 18 scholdarships to give out and they ONLY play a 27 game schedule on average. MOST players are getting 50%-75% scholarships, leaving parents writing checks for 7K - 10K per season. That doesn't include living expenses, trips home or parent trips to visit. The cost can well exceed 15K-20K per season, making NCAA hockey the biggest "check book hockey" scheme going.

CHL players who use their scholarships get 100% of the books and tuition covered. Additionally, while with the team they can take college courses while with the team on the teams dime.

Amazingly, the NCAA snake oil salesmen who peddle the idea of the NCAA keeping OPTIONS open, actually limit options. There are ONLY 59 Division 1 teams and ONLY 51 of them offer athletic scholarships. Of those 51 only a handful are even considered in the top 100 schools in the world, but you are LIMITED to the school that you commit to.

CHL kids can choose any school in the world. Most schools are covered by their scholarship fund and those that aren't, the funds can be applied towards them. Moreover, there are as many Canadian Schools that offer hockey ranked in the top 100 as there are are D1 schools. You will get a much better education at McGill or the University of Toronto than you can get at the University of Minnesota, for example.

Uncovering a HUGE NCAA LIE. If Education is your priority, the CHL offers OPTIONS while the NCAA offers NONE.

If hockey is your priority it's no contest.

FACT

The NCAA has 59 schools with an average roster of 27 players per school, with an average number of players (59 X 27) each year of 1,593

The CHL has 60 teams with an average roster of 23 per team, with an average number of players (60 X 23) each year of 1,380

Yet despits icing an average of 213 FEWER players per year, the CHL provides 60% of the NHL talent while the NCAA provides just 30%. So a league that has 25% fewer players produces 100% more NHL talent.

Is it because they have BETTER PLAYERS? BETTER COACHES? BETTER DEVEOPMENT MODEL? or ALL OF THE ABOVE? (BINGO!)

In fact, a full 60% of CHL players go on to professional careers in Europe, the KHL and leagues like the AHL where players are making up to 1/2 million dollars a year.

Morover, the CHL is also the leading provider of elite coaches, trainers and administrators in hockey.

MOST CHL players will tell you there goal is to go as far in hockey as they can, and the FACTS support that MOST achieve this goal.

For those who don't, over 30% of CHL players go on to amazing University educations. Not at some cheezy D1 school who puts a 50% offer in front of them, but at almost any institution in the world of their choosing. Fantastic World Class Universities like McGill, University of Toronto, University of Alberta and University of BC.

For those who prefer and prioritize a world class education at an American institution - take your pick. University of Minnesota, University of Michigan, Wisconsin - no problem. CHL players are going there as well.

We know that the Gophers only pick up 3 or 4 kids a year on partial scholarship. So how many Minnesota kids grow up dreaming up playing for the RPI Engineers or Rochester School of Technology, or Alabama Hunstville? If you are a CHL caliber player, (and lets face it, they are few and far between), are you really holding out for a 50% tuition at Quinippiac when you can play 400 games in front of 5,000+ fans and NHL scouts while earning up to 7 years of actual QUALITY education fully paid for?

FACT

- your odds of making the NHL statistcally are 133% better through the CHL. That's a FACT! 60% of the NHL comes via the CHL and 30% comes via the NCAA, yet the NCAA rosters 25% more players annually.

There is NO COMPARISON - CHL is FAR SUPERIOR

Moreover, MOST NCAA players don't see any significant playing time. Do the math on 27 players playing a scant 27 games with the top 6 forwards and top 4 defensemen getting the lions share of the ice.

- the ice time that is statistically available to CHL players is 208 minutes per player per season based on a 23 man roster and an 80 game season. the ice time available to an NCAA player is 60 minutes per season based on a 27 man roster and a 27 game season.

There is NO COMPARISON - CHL is FAR SUPERIOR

- the NCAA restricts your education to ONE of the 51 teams that offer athletic scholarships. the CHL supports your education at the institution of your choice, MOST of which are covered by your scholarship package, including almost all of the D1 schools who offer athletic scholarships.

There is NO COMPARISON - CHL is FAR SUPERIOR

Those are FACTS sir. I am sure the NCAA bootlickers will be out in force to pick this apart. Be my guest - but facts are FACTS.

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