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The reebok high perf tournament falls on the same weekend as our associations tryouts and 5 kids of the top players in our assoc are on the rbk team and most likely there will be conflicts with tryouts and the tournament. I spoke to the president of our assoc. about the conflict and he said if any kids miss any of the tryouts they will be automatically be placed on the "c" team. Is this right??? Especially it being a district tournament. Also our teams are not very good to begin with and recently there has been a mass exodus of families leaving our assoc. thoughts?????

hunting247 wrote:The reebok high perf tournament falls on the same weekend as our associations tryouts and 5 kids of the top players in our assoc are on the rbk team and most likely there will be conflicts with tryouts and the tournament. I spoke to the president of our assoc. about the conflict and he said if any kids miss any of the tryouts they will be automatically be placed on the "c" team. Is this right??? Especially it being a district tournament. Also our teams are not very good to begin with and recently there has been a mass exodus of families leaving our assoc. thoughts?????

Is there a C team state tournament? You could own that league this year!

hunting247 wrote:The reebok high perf tournament falls on the same weekend as our associations tryouts and 5 kids of the top players in our assoc are on the rbk team and most likely there will be conflicts with tryouts and the tournament. I spoke to the president of our assoc. about the conflict and he said if any kids miss any of the tryouts they will be automatically be placed on the "c" team. Is this right??? Especially it being a district tournament. Also our teams are not very good to begin with and recently there has been a mass exodus of families leaving our assoc. thoughts?????

5 kids from your association team made the Reebok HP team, and your team is not very good? Time to Ditch the HP team.

Wouldn't be fair to the other kids trying out if the HP kids got to skip. Life is full of tough choices.

Are these kids all first year bantams? If they are second years I'd be surprised if the assoc would move them down.

Given that they are considered among the top 50 players in the state at their age group, it seems pretty silly that the association doesn't either move tryouts by however many hours would be necessary, or hold a make-up tryout.

Agree, though that just putting them on the AA team without a tryout is a recipe for serious parental mutiny, and actually demoting them to C is a good way to create a massive headache for your district director when those five players demand waivers to an association that will let them play where they belong.

The way our association does it is if they played B's at that level (SQ, PW, Bantam) last year, they can skip tryouts and stay on B's. Must always try out for A's. First year in a level are always C's unless you attend tryouts. So if he were a first year bantam in our association, he'd be a C unless he attended tryouts.

That's what's on paper. However, if they know a kid will miss due to injury or whatever, they'll often look at where the kids he played with last year ended up and put him on that team. So if a kid played Squirt A's last year, and he'll miss tryouts for PeeWee, but all the other kids on his SQA team made B's, they'll put the kid on B's. Now, that's only if the kid isn't a behavior problem or the parents aren't pains. In that case, it's stick to the rules, and suck it up, buttercup!

It's comforting to know that Minnesota Hockey and their associations are always on the same page.

Always working together through communication..

Were your association tryout dates posted b4 you accepted the bid to play HP?

Shinbone_News wrote:Given that they are considered among the top 50 players in the state at their age group, it seems pretty silly that the association doesn't either move tryouts by however many hours would be necessary, or hold a make-up tryout.

Agree, though that just putting them on the AA team without a tryout is a recipe for serious parental mutiny, and actually demoting them to C is a good way to create a massive headache for your district director when those five players demand waivers to an association that will let them play where they belong.

5 top 50 players in the state, So this has to be Edina then! And he said they are not good .

TheJet wrote:Were your association tryout dates posted b4 you accepted the bid to play HP?

They compete for players now?

MrBoDangles wrote:

TheJet wrote:Were your association tryout dates posted b4 you accepted the bid to play HP?

They compete for players now?

It is what it is. Our association tryout dates were posted and we know the consequence if we don't make tryouts - u choose ur own path.

MrBoDangles wrote:

TheJet wrote:Were your association tryout dates posted b4 you accepted the bid to play HP?

They compete for players now?

It is what it is. Our association tryout dates were posted and we know the consequence if we don't make tryouts - u choose ur own path.

Keep in mind that virtually no one was cut following "tryouts" for the 14/15 HP. MN Hockey and the parents who accepted both knew that this fell right during the middle of the normal batam tryouts. The kids all made the camps and they did not limit tryouts to kids who were on A teams last year. Parents should have to figure it out

MrBoDangles wrote:It's comforting to know that Minnesota Hockey and their associations are always on the same page.

Always working together through communication..

Again

players should learn now they need to make a choice. sometimes you can't take advantage of every oportunity. i am sure your association is not the only one running tryouts on that weekend. so Maybe RBK is the one who should reassess their tryout dates if they want the top end players to try out. if not, make a choice if RBK is so good. then go for it. my guess is its really more of an ego boost then reality. best of luck with your decision. I commend your Association President for not changing a system to accomodate a few players.

Marty well said!

Marty2013 wrote:players should learn now they need to make a choice. sometimes you can't take advantage of every oportunity. i am sure your association is not the only one running tryouts on that weekend. so Maybe RBK is the one who should reassess their tryout dates if they want the top end players to try out. if not, make a choice if RBK is so good. then go for it. my guess is its really more of an ego boost then reality. best of luck with your decision. I commend your Association President for not changing a system to accomodate a few players.

Problem is our association does change rules whenever they want or make up new ones on the fly, and is so political almost every kid with a ounce of talent is leaving our town because they are sick of the association ruining our hockey program. Numbers keep dwindling year to year because of kids leaving and quitting and most who stay have grandiose delusions that our association is working for our benefit.

Granted all I want is my kids to have fun. Hockey is their choice and we do not put any pressure on them to do anything they do not want to. I do not care what team they make, it is all on them. I provide the opportunity to play sports and they provide the work ethic to achieve their goals.

hunting247 wrote:The reebok high perf tournament falls on the same weekend as our associations tryouts and 5 kids of the top players in our assoc are on the rbk team and most likely there will be conflicts with tryouts and the tournament. I spoke to the president of our assoc. about the conflict and he said if any kids miss any of the tryouts they will be automatically be placed on the "c" team. Is this right??? Especially it being a district tournament. Also our teams are not very good to begin with and recently there has been a mass exodus of families leaving our assoc. thoughts?????

You wouldn't, per chance, be located about 30 miles north of St. Paul, would you? The President is excited because this is an opportunity for his kid to make the A team. So go to the tournament -- please -- for his sake.

Marty2013 wrote:players should learn now they need to make a choice. sometimes you can't take advantage of every oportunity. i am sure your association is not the only one running tryouts on that weekend. so Maybe RBK is the one who should reassess their tryout dates if they want the top end players to try out. if not, make a choice if RBK is so good. then go for it. my guess is its really more of an ego boost then reality. best of luck with your decision. I commend your Association President for not changing a system to accomodate a few players.

This is so chalk full of BS rhetoric.... "players have to make choices"???? yes there are choices in life to make but when its HOCKEY and its part of a DISTRICT opportunity that is sponsiored by MN HOCKEY then you are WRONG, that is not supposed to be a choice a kdi is supposed to have to make. Winter teams and district opportunities should be made with eachother in mind and they should work together to make sure the right thing is done for the PLAYERS not their own ridiculous egos and not because someone is being hard headed and all cry baby about "this is the weekend we chose, take it or leave", that is crap and you know it. If the kids are really that good at this point in their hockey career, and if those kdis have been in that association for any amnount of time let's be realistic, quit pandering to the small minority of parents who have a stick up their butt and put these kids on the team they belong on whether or not they are at the "official tryouts" or not, we do it for injuries or other reasons ALL THE TIME, quit acting like this isn't a special circumstance.... lord people are the biggest whiners sometimes.... you commend the Pres, GMAFB, you know that same Pres changes rules all the time for his own agenda (I know this because every Pres of every youth sports board I have ever met in any sport ever tries to push his own agenda)

Wow a nerve has been hit. If this all falls under the MN Hockey umbrella maybe the RBK tryouts should be same as all the other Select activities (spring)
on another note. if a player is very skilled playing at a lower level they will score a lot of goals. I have seen players score almost at will playing at the wrong level - I have seen teams then that do not want to play against them because of that one or two players, or the game gets chippy and due to frustrations. We may think we are punishing the elite player by forcing them to play down, but what about the kids who are at the right place and now no longer can compete because of a couple kids? the different classifications of hockey are in place to make the game enjoyable for all sorts of talent levels.

hockeygirl2 wrote:Keep in mind that virtually no one was cut following "tryouts" for the 14/15 HP. MN Hockey and the parents who accepted both knew that this fell right during the middle of the normal batam tryouts. The kids all made the camps and they did not limit tryouts to kids who were on A teams last year. Parents should have to figure it out

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An association board (bored) mom with a lot of spite towards the talented kids.

JSR wrote:

Marty2013 wrote:players should learn now they need to make a choice. sometimes you can't take advantage of every oportunity. i am sure your association is not the only one running tryouts on that weekend. so Maybe RBK is the one who should reassess their tryout dates if they want the top end players to try out. if not, make a choice if RBK is so good. then go for it. my guess is its really more of an ego boost then reality. best of luck with your decision. I commend your Association President for not changing a system to accomodate a few players.

This is so chalk full of BS rhetoric.... "players have to make choices"???? yes there are choices in life to make but when its HOCKEY and its part of a DISTRICT opportunity that is sponsiored by MN HOCKEY then you are WRONG, that is not supposed to be a choice a kdi is supposed to have to make. Winter teams and district opportunities should be made with eachother in mind and they should work together to make sure the right thing is done for the PLAYERS not their own ridiculous egos and not because someone is being hard headed and all cry baby about "this is the weekend we chose, take it or leave", that is crap and you know it. If the kids are really that good at this point in their hockey career, and if those kdis have been in that association for any amnount of time let's be realistic, quit pandering to the small minority of parents who have a stick up their butt and put these kids on the team they belong on whether or not they are at the "official tryouts" or not, we do it for injuries or other reasons ALL THE TIME, quit acting like this isn't a special circumstance.... lord people are the biggest whiners sometimes.... you commend the Pres, GMAFB, you know that same Pres changes rules all the time for his own agenda (I know this because every Pres of every youth sports board I have ever met in any sport ever tries to push his own agenda)

Great to see there's some common sense out there. Well, I guess over in Sconni.

MrBoDangles wrote:

JSR wrote:

Marty2013 wrote:players should learn now they need to make a choice. sometimes you can't take advantage of every oportunity. i am sure your association is not the only one running tryouts on that weekend. so Maybe RBK is the one who should reassess their tryout dates if they want the top end players to try out. if not, make a choice if RBK is so good. then go for it. my guess is its really more of an ego boost then reality. best of luck with your decision. I commend your Association President for not changing a system to accomodate a few players.

This is so chalk full of BS rhetoric.... "players have to make choices"???? yes there are choices in life to make but when its HOCKEY and its part of a DISTRICT opportunity that is sponsiored by MN HOCKEY then you are WRONG, that is not supposed to be a choice a kdi is supposed to have to make. Winter teams and district opportunities should be made with eachother in mind and they should work together to make sure the right thing is done for the PLAYERS not their own ridiculous egos and not because someone is being hard headed and all cry baby about "this is the weekend we chose, take it or leave", that is crap and you know it. If the kids are really that good at this point in their hockey career, and if those kdis have been in that association for any amnount of time let's be realistic, quit pandering to the small minority of parents who have a stick up their butt and put these kids on the team they belong on whether or not they are at the "official tryouts" or not, we do it for injuries or other reasons ALL THE TIME, quit acting like this isn't a special circumstance.... lord people are the biggest whiners sometimes.... you commend the Pres, GMAFB, you know that same Pres changes rules all the time for his own agenda (I know this because every Pres of every youth sports board I have ever met in any sport ever tries to push his own agenda)

Great to see there's some common sense out there. Well, I guess over in Sconni.

Apparently I lack proper typing skills though

I think it all goes back to the " every kid gets a trophy" epidemic. Parents and associations are ruining today's generation. I want my kid to lose, to suffer heartbreak and deal with the agony of defeat, it makes victory much sweeter and teaches them they need to work hard to achieve their goals in life and nothing will be handed to them

hunting247 wrote:I think it all goes back to the " every kid gets a trophy" epidemic. Parents and associations are ruining today's generation. I want my kid to lose, to suffer heartbreak and deal with the agony of defeat, it makes victory much sweeter and teaches them they need to work hard to achieve their goals in life and nothing will be handed to them

Not sure which side you are on with this comment..... I agree, you should earn everything you get, but a kid who works hard enough to make certain district level select teams deserves better than his assoication throwing him under the bus, that isn't being handed something that is just common courtesy and common sense, something we seem to be lacking alot of these days