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I agree with you but there is always the ECHL and AHL if he is not ready for "the show" quite yet, he can still "work" his way there if he has the drive and ability.keepyourheadup wrote:Always liked this kids game, but from the outside this seems odd. He'll age out of the W in two years....then what? At Duluth he gets 4 more years of hockey. I realize its a personal choice but it seems like a funny time to go. Was Duluth pushing him out another year? Is he ready for the show in two years? I really hope he made the right choice here, one of the most fierce competitors I've ever watched play high school hockey.
How did that work out for Shawn Roed? or Dan Welch? Who I realize both had 'academic' issues at the U, but I'll guarantee you if both could do it over they would have taken 'school' a bit more seriously so they could have played 4 years in college before trying to play pro.JSR wrote:I agree with you but there is always the ECHL and AHL if he is not ready for "the show" quite yet, he can still "work" his way there if he has the drive and ability.keepyourheadup wrote:Always liked this kids game, but from the outside this seems odd. He'll age out of the W in two years....then what? At Duluth he gets 4 more years of hockey. I realize its a personal choice but it seems like a funny time to go. Was Duluth pushing him out another year? Is he ready for the show in two years? I really hope he made the right choice here, one of the most fierce competitors I've ever watched play high school hockey.
Maybe academics came into play here ? Don't know, just an idea.Sats81 wrote:How did that work out for Shawn Roed? or Dan Welch? Who I realize both had 'academic' issues at the U, but I'll guarantee you if both could do it over they would have taken 'school' a bit more seriously so they could have played 4 years in college before trying to play pro.JSR wrote:I agree with you but there is always the ECHL and AHL if he is not ready for "the show" quite yet, he can still "work" his way there if he has the drive and ability.keepyourheadup wrote:Always liked this kids game, but from the outside this seems odd. He'll age out of the W in two years....then what? At Duluth he gets 4 more years of hockey. I realize its a personal choice but it seems like a funny time to go. Was Duluth pushing him out another year? Is he ready for the show in two years? I really hope he made the right choice here, one of the most fierce competitors I've ever watched play high school hockey.
Of course every situation is unique and different, however I agree with keepyourheadup, just seems like an odd choice.
You would be making the correct assumption.puckbreath wrote:Maybe academics came into play here ? Don't know, just an idea.Sats81 wrote:How did that work out for Shawn Roed? or Dan Welch? Who I realize both had 'academic' issues at the U, but I'll guarantee you if both could do it over they would have taken 'school' a bit more seriously so they could have played 4 years in college before trying to play pro.JSR wrote: I agree with you but there is always the ECHL and AHL if he is not ready for "the show" quite yet, he can still "work" his way there if he has the drive and ability.
Of course every situation is unique and different, however I agree with keepyourheadup, just seems like an odd choice.
Ah.4chex wrote:This was a decision that was academically based. He didn't really have a choice. Best of luck to Blake.
But he went to Hill Marley...?4chex wrote:This was a decision that was academically based. He didn't really have a choice. Best of luck to Blake.
He didn't have a choice?...I have known quite a few past UMD players and it is not like they were rocket scientists or brain surgeons. Best of luck to a very good dman.4chex wrote:This was a decision that was academically based. He didn't really have a choice. Best of luck to Blake.
Yea, he might not have been able to get into the "U" or Wisconsin or Michigan but schools like say Bjemdji could have likely taken him if in fact it is academics. Nt a rip on Bjemidji but their admissions standards are not even close to the same as the U and others....... So I think school was still an option but perhaps the schools that wuld take him were not what he was thinking hockey wise???? Just somethoughts and ideas, don't know the kid at all.The Next One wrote:He didn't have a choice?...I have known quite a few past UMD players and it is not like they were rocket scientists or brain surgeons. Best of luck to a very good dman.4chex wrote:This was a decision that was academically based. He didn't really have a choice. Best of luck to Blake.
I said I agreed with him, but merely pointing out the door doesn't atuomatically close after two years if he isn't quite ready for the biggest stageSats81 wrote:How did that work out for Shawn Roed? or Dan Welch? Who I realize both had 'academic' issues at the U, but I'll guarantee you if both could do it over they would have taken 'school' a bit more seriously so they could have played 4 years in college before trying to play pro.JSR wrote:I agree with you but there is always the ECHL and AHL if he is not ready for "the show" quite yet, he can still "work" his way there if he has the drive and ability.keepyourheadup wrote:Always liked this kids game, but from the outside this seems odd. He'll age out of the W in two years....then what? At Duluth he gets 4 more years of hockey. I realize its a personal choice but it seems like a funny time to go. Was Duluth pushing him out another year? Is he ready for the show in two years? I really hope he made the right choice here, one of the most fierce competitors I've ever watched play high school hockey.
Of course every situation is unique and different, however I agree with keepyourheadup, just seems like an odd choice.
The 'U' has 100 some odd football players and a basketball team that is not exactly Harvard qualified. The 'U' is on a quota system first and foremost and white anglo saxon is not top priority in euphoria. College is not the holy grail to life success that's been proven time and again.JSR wrote:Yea, he might not have been able to get into the "U" or Wisconsin or Michigan but schools like say Bjemdji could have likely taken him if in fact it is academics. Nt a rip on Bjemidji but their admissions standards are not even close to the same as the U and others....... So I think school was still an option but perhaps the schools that wuld take him were not what he was thinking hockey wise???? Just somethoughts and ideas, don't know the kid at all.The Next One wrote:He didn't have a choice?...I have known quite a few past UMD players and it is not like they were rocket scientists or brain surgeons. Best of luck to a very good dman.4chex wrote:This was a decision that was academically based. He didn't really have a choice. Best of luck to Blake.
Umm...not quite lateral here IMO. Take a look at Central Scouting - the WHL better prepares kids for ECHL/AHL and even NHL. School is the ideal route but it is not for everyone. No shortage of talent in the WHL that is for sure.dlow wrote:How does USHL play stack up against WHL? I realize these leagues wont schedule against each other but isn't really just a lateral move?
He'd already signed a National Letter of Intent, to UMD, though. He would have been ineligible to play anywhere else in the NCAA next year, even if UMD dumped him for academic reasons. Great system, no?JSR wrote:Yea, he might not have been able to get into the "U" or Wisconsin or Michigan but schools like say Bjemdji could have likely taken him if in fact it is academics. Nt a rip on Bjemidji but their admissions standards are not even close to the same as the U and others....... So I think school was still an option but perhaps the schools that wuld take him were not what he was thinking hockey wise???? Just somethoughts and ideas, don't know the kid at all.
No one said Harvard, but the fact is they have minimum admissions standards , for ALL athletes, that are higher than D2 or D3 schools. As many of those 100 some odd kids that you are talking about play there, there are a whole bunch of other alented kids who might have been better ballers but couldn't get into the school due to those admission standards. Example, Ryan Suters younger brother "had" a scholarship to Wisconsin, he played Junior hockey until his eligibility was over trying to gain admission to Wisconsin, he was never able to muster the test scores, ended up at Stevens Point where he was a D3 All-American because UW-Stevens Point's admission standards are not the same as Wisconsins. ANother current D1 player by the name of Cody Strang played at Bjemidji because he was unable to gain admission to UW after oroginally committing to the Badgers, sufficed to say he actually quit hockey after his freshman season to play for Bjemidji's golf team and concentrate on golf where he had a "professional" future supposedly, to my knowledge he is no longer on the golf team there either, not really sure where he is now.... Tons more examples but there are two for you right outta the gate....northwoods oldtimer wrote:The 'U' has 100 some odd football players and a basketball team that is not exactly Harvard qualified. The 'U' is on a quota system first and foremost and white anglo saxon is not top priority in euphoria. College is not the holy grail to life success that's been proven time and again.JSR wrote:Yea, he might not have been able to get into the "U" or Wisconsin or Michigan but schools like say Bjemdji could have likely taken him if in fact it is academics. Nt a rip on Bjemidji but their admissions standards are not even close to the same as the U and others....... So I think school was still an option but perhaps the schools that wuld take him were not what he was thinking hockey wise???? Just somethoughts and ideas, don't know the kid at all.The Next One wrote: He didn't have a choice?...I have known quite a few past UMD players and it is not like they were rocket scientists or brain surgeons. Best of luck to a very good dman.
Good example of apples and oranges comparison between the athlete and non athlete registration into a major university. I get that and had forgotten the obvious difference that exists for entrance.JSR wrote:No one said Harvard, but the fact is they have minimum admissions standards , for ALL athletes, that are higher than D2 or D3 schools. As many of those 100 some odd kids that you are talking about play there, there are a whole bunch of other alented kids who might have been better ballers but couldn't get into the school due to those admission standards. Example, Ryan Suters younger brother "had" a scholarship to Wisconsin, he played Junior hockey until his eligibility was over trying to gain admission to Wisconsin, he was never able to muster the test scores, ended up at Stevens Point where he was a D3 All-American because UW-Stevens Point's admission standards are not the same as Wisconsins. ANother current D1 player by the name of Cody Strang played at Bjemidji because he was unable to gain admission to UW after oroginally committing to the Badgers, sufficed to say he actually quit hockey after his freshman season to play for Bjemidji's golf team and concentrate on golf where he had a "professional" future supposedly, to my knowledge he is no longer on the golf team there either, not really sure where he is now.... Tons more examples but there are two for you right outta the gate....northwoods oldtimer wrote:The 'U' has 100 some odd football players and a basketball team that is not exactly Harvard qualified. The 'U' is on a quota system first and foremost and white anglo saxon is not top priority in euphoria. College is not the holy grail to life success that's been proven time and again.JSR wrote: Yea, he might not have been able to get into the "U" or Wisconsin or Michigan but schools like say Bjemdji could have likely taken him if in fact it is academics. Nt a rip on Bjemidji but their admissions standards are not even close to the same as the U and others....... So I think school was still an option but perhaps the schools that wuld take him were not what he was thinking hockey wise???? Just somethoughts and ideas, don't know the kid at all.
Hey hey hey, we Beavers always refer to Bemidji State as the Harvard of the North for a reason! I can't remember what that reason is thoughJSR wrote:Yea, he might not have been able to get into the "U" or Wisconsin or Michigan but schools like say Bjemdji could have likely taken him if in fact it is academics. Nt a rip on Bjemidji but their admissions standards are not even close to the same as the U and others....... So I think school was still an option but perhaps the schools that wuld take him were not what he was thinking hockey wise???? Just somethoughts and ideas, don't know the kid at all.The Next One wrote:He didn't have a choice?...I have known quite a few past UMD players and it is not like they were rocket scientists or brain surgeons. Best of luck to a very good dman.4chex wrote:This was a decision that was academically based. He didn't really have a choice. Best of luck to Blake.
It is a balance between risk/reward. If you think a kid has the ability to really do something good for your program despite a questionable academic record, you still might be willing to take a chance... especially if you think there is a chance that he will get his act together academically as he matures. Sometimes that gamble works, sometimes it doesn't.puckbreath wrote:What I don't understand, is how these type of kids get recruited in the first place.
It's not like they suddenly became lousy students; chances are they were in high school too.
northwoods oldtimer wrote:The 'U' has 100 some odd football players and a basketball team that is not exactly Harvard qualified. The 'U' is on a quota system first and foremost and white anglo saxon is not top priority in euphoria. College is not the holy grail to life success that's been proven time and again.
No not ALL athletes have to adhere to admission standards. When it comes to NC$$, a lot of people have the tendency to look the other way. If the sport is a big time money maker, rules don't always apply...all you other schools must play by the rules though.JSR wrote:No one said Harvard, but the fact is they have minimum admissions standards , for ALL athletes, that are higher than D2 or D3 schools. As many of those 100 some odd kids that you are talking about play there, there are a whole bunch of other alented kids who might have been better ballers but couldn't get into the school due to those admission standards.