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White Bear Lake vs. Hill-Murray | 1/16/14 at 7:30
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:52 am
by ZachHalverson
It's finally here! Aldrich will be packed, and student sections will collide. And I guess there is a hockey game too.
Bears are the clear underdog, and quite frankly have played terrible against the Pioneers in the regular season in recent years. They got smoked last year at Vadnais before holding HM to 1 goal in their Section final loss.
HM is one of the best hockey teams in the state and are yet again a favorite, in my opinion, for the state championship. With their depth and coaching, it should be a win for the Pioneers.
You can watch this Bears upset on
http://TheHornWBL.com, by the way.
WBL - HM
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:54 am
by stpaul
17-1*
*HM's record vs. WBL since 2006. Not a score prediction.
Re: WBL - HM
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:01 am
by Sats81
stpaul wrote:17-1*
*HM's record vs. WBL since 2006. Not a score prediction.
lol. I'll take pioneers 6-3
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:37 pm
by Pioneerprideguy
My prediction is if HM wins by 4 or more goals, they will go to State. Anything less & they will be upset in secitions (likely by White Bear). Just going on my gut.
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:11 pm
by stpaul
Pioneerprideguy wrote:Just going on my gut.
Did you have White Castle again last night?
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:57 pm
by Pioneerprideguy
stpaul wrote:Pioneerprideguy wrote:Just going on my gut.
Did you have White Castle again last night?
LOL...not quite. Seems odd to say, but not totally sold on this club yet. Leadership is still a concern. We'll see. Maybe it was just dinner.
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:08 pm
by BlueLineSpecial
Pioneerprideguy wrote:My prediction is if HM wins by 4 or more goals, they will go to State. Anything less & they will be upset in secitions (likely by White Bear). Just going on my gut.
White Castle for thought:
It occurred to me while thinking about tomorrow's matchup that the regular season game between these two teams is never very close. But when sections come 'round, its a completely different story:
2007-2008
Regular season: 5-2 HM
Section final: 2-1 HM
2008-2009
Regular season: 5-2 HM
Section semi: 5-4 (OT) HM
2009-2010
Regular season: 5-0 HM
Section final: 5-1 HM
2010-2011
Regular season: 3-0 HM
Section final: 5-4 (2OT) WBL
2011-2012
Regular season: 7-2 HM
No section play, HM beat Roseville 3-2 in section final
2012-2013
Regular season: 6-1 HM
Section final: 1-0 HM
I don't know if WBL is sandbagging the regular season game or they just pick it up several notches in sections, but it seems that the regular season game doesn't reflect whats to come.
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:56 pm
by East Side Pioneer Guy
I think the only game White Bear cares about all season is the section meeting with Hill.
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:59 pm
by ZachHalverson
BlueLineSpecial wrote:Pioneerprideguy wrote:My prediction is if HM wins by 4 or more goals, they will go to State. Anything less & they will be upset in secitions (likely by White Bear). Just going on my gut.
White Castle for thought:
It occurred to me while thinking about tomorrow's matchup that the regular season game between these two teams is never very close. But when sections come 'round, its a completely different story:
ZachHalverson wrote:
Bears are the clear underdog, and quite frankly have played terrible against the Pioneers in the regular season in recent years.
Great minds think alike!
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:11 am
by Sleepysteve
BlueLineSpecial wrote:Pioneerprideguy wrote:
I don't know if WBL is sandbagging the regular season game or they just pick it up several notches in sections, but it seems that the regular season game doesn't reflect whats to come.
This has been WB's problem for ever...Hill Murray in section finals is OUR state tournament. Witness our record at state on Thursday as evidence.
Go Bears!
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:17 am
by Traxler
Sleepysteve wrote:This has been WB's problem for ever...Hill Murray in section finals is OUR state tournament. Witness our record at state on Thursday as evidence.
Go Bears!
What is that record, is it something like 0-25?
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:01 am
by pioneers
BlueLineSpecial wrote:Pioneerprideguy wrote:My prediction is if HM wins by 4 or more goals, they will go to State. Anything less & they will be upset in secitions (likely by White Bear). Just going on my gut.
White Castle for thought:
It occurred to me while thinking about tomorrow's matchup that the regular season game between these two teams is never very close. But when sections come 'round, its a completely different story:
2007-2008
Regular season: 5-2 HM
Section final: 2-1 HM
2008-2009
Regular season: 5-2 HM
Section semi: 5-4 (OT) HM
2009-2010
Regular season: 5-0 HM
Section final: 5-1 HM
2010-2011
Regular season: 3-0 HM
Section final: 5-4 (2OT) WBL
2011-2012
Regular season: 7-2 HM
No section play, HM beat Roseville 3-2 in section final
2012-2013
Regular season: 6-1 HM
Section final: 1-0 HM
I don't know if WBL is sandbagging the regular season game or they just pick it up several notches in sections, but it seems that the regular season game doesn't reflect whats to come.
It is because White Bear plays a completely different kind of game in the section. They use that trap style in sections that they don't use during the regular season game.
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:04 am
by BlueLineSpecial
pioneers wrote:BlueLineSpecial wrote:Pioneerprideguy wrote:My prediction is if HM wins by 4 or more goals, they will go to State. Anything less & they will be upset in secitions (likely by White Bear). Just going on my gut.
White Castle for thought:
It occurred to me while thinking about tomorrow's matchup that the regular season game between these two teams is never very close. But when sections come 'round, its a completely different story:
2007-2008
Regular season: 5-2 HM
Section final: 2-1 HM
2008-2009
Regular season: 5-2 HM
Section semi: 5-4 (OT) HM
2009-2010
Regular season: 5-0 HM
Section final: 5-1 HM
2010-2011
Regular season: 3-0 HM
Section final: 5-4 (2OT) WBL
2011-2012
Regular season: 7-2 HM
No section play, HM beat Roseville 3-2 in section final
2012-2013
Regular season: 6-1 HM
Section final: 1-0 HM
I don't know if WBL is sandbagging the regular season game or they just pick it up several notches in sections, but it seems that the regular season game doesn't reflect whats to come.
It is because White Bear plays a completely different kind of game in the section. They use that trap style in sections that they don't use during the regular season game.
Then WBL should play that style year-round. I looked at the box score for the years above, and universally WBL had around as many or more shots on goal (many times significantly more) during the section game than the regular season game. They also almost universally took less penalties in the section games. Anyway, I agree they play more trap during sections, but obviously that style is works for them then.
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:51 am
by hockeymachine
It has been a few years, but don't forget, a few of the years HM beat WBL in the section finals, WBL outplayed Hill.
Nick Larson's Sr. year for HM, WBL dominated play, while the goaltending for WBL cost them the game.
The last few years, sure HM has dominated the play with a much more skilled team, forcing WBL to play the trap game.
It worked for WBL the Wahlin/Birkinbine/Jansen year, not so much last year.
I see a relatively easy win for HM tonight, and than all bets are off when it comes to the 4AA section final. Wahlin will have to put on a show to make it a game. As of late, Wahlin has looked stiffled and frustrated. Edina shut him down, and his frustration was shown with that check from behind that was dangerous, and should have been a match penalty.
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:30 pm
by hockeyfan893
Thanks for the stream and all, but Jefferson Airplane / Jefferson Starship / Starship are legendary and you commentators are in need of some serious music education.
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:10 pm
by BearsSensGophs
WBL JV won 2-0 which was nice
WBL leading 4-3 is impressive but they can't take the foot off the gas if they want to win it.
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:24 pm
by bemused
BearsSensGophs wrote:WBL JV won 2-0 which was nice
WBL leading 4-3 is impressive but they can't take the foot off the gas if they want to win it.
Final? Flub says it is 4-4 in 3rd. Unbelievable that this is the same team that dismantled Edina a week ago.
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:26 pm
by BearsSensGophs
Not final still a few minutes in regulation but yeah and WBL got dismantled by Edina to top it off.
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:35 pm
by sachishi4
HM wins 5-4 OT Joey Anderson
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:51 pm
by karl(east)
Thriller of a game. Credit White Bear for playing pretty much even with Hill for most of the night. Hill's lack of discipline helped, but the Bears were by no means outclassed 5-on-5. They need to work on their starts to periods, but all-in-all, this is probably a confidence booster for them. It's been a while since these two played a close regular season game.
Slattery can sure be mercurial. He does little other than take penalties in the first two periods, then sets up a beauty of a game-tying goal in the 3rd. Give them credit for not panicking when they went down in the 3rd, and if they clean up some of those penalties, WBL might face some tougher sledding in a section final rematch. They may still be #1, but games like tonight's show that no one is even remotely safe in a game against another top 20 team.
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:56 pm
by Sparlimb
karl(east) wrote:Thriller of a game. Credit White Bear for playing pretty much even with Hill for most of the night. Hill's lack of discipline helped, but the Bears were by no means outclassed 5-on-5. They need to work on their starts to periods, but all-in-all, this is probably a confidence booster for them. It's been a while since these two played a close regular season game.
Slattery can sure be mercurial. He does little other than take penalties in the first two periods, then sets up a beauty of a game-tying goal in the 3rd. Give them credit for not panicking when they went down in the 3rd, and if they clean up some of those penalties, WBL might face some tougher sledding in a section final rematch. They may still be #1, but games like tonight's show that no one is even remotely safe in a game against another top 20 team.
Or Apple Valley...
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:58 pm
by karl(east)
Sparlimb wrote:karl(east) wrote:Thriller of a game. Credit White Bear for playing pretty much even with Hill for most of the night. Hill's lack of discipline helped, but the Bears were by no means outclassed 5-on-5. They need to work on their starts to periods, but all-in-all, this is probably a confidence booster for them. It's been a while since these two played a close regular season game.
Slattery can sure be mercurial. He does little other than take penalties in the first two periods, then sets up a beauty of a game-tying goal in the 3rd. Give them credit for not panicking when they went down in the 3rd, and if they clean up some of those penalties, WBL might face some tougher sledding in a section final rematch. They may still be #1, but games like tonight's show that no one is even remotely safe in a game against another top 20 team.
Or Apple Valley...
Ok, a top 80 team.
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:04 pm
by stpaul
karl(east) wrote:Thriller of a game. Credit White Bear for playing pretty much even with Hill for most of the night. Hill's lack of discipline helped, but the Bears were by no means outclassed 5-on-5. They need to work on their starts to periods, but all-in-all, this is probably a confidence booster for them. It's been a while since these two played a close regular season game.
Slattery can sure be mercurial. He does little other than take penalties in the first two periods, then sets up a beauty of a game-tying goal in the 3rd. Give them credit for not panicking when they went down in the 3rd, and if they clean up some of those penalties, WBL might face some tougher sledding in a section final rematch. They may still be #1, but games like tonight's show that no one is even remotely safe in a game against another top 20 team.
Agree completely. Fun atmosphere at Aldrich. The rivalry lives. HM is a better team but was hurt by lack of discipline by Slattery, Zarembinski and Olson, 3 of their biggest and best players. Saturday it was Edina that lost their cool. Tonight it was HM but only at times.
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:14 pm
by bemused
karl(east) wrote:Thriller of a game. Credit White Bear for playing pretty much even with Hill for most of the night. Hill's lack of discipline helped, but the Bears were by no means outclassed 5-on-5. They need to work on their starts to periods, but all-in-all, this is probably a confidence booster for them. It's been a while since these two played a close regular season game.
Slattery can sure be mercurial.
I have seen him 3 times this year. If mercurial is PC for lazy.. I agree.
if it is like old #84 "I play when I want to play" I agree.
If it is Webster's "lively and quick" I disagree.
Re: WBL - HM
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:14 pm
by stpaul
stpaul wrote:17-1*
*HM's record vs. WBL since 2006. Not a score prediction.
18-1*