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LPH Pre-Season Rankings:

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/latest-ra ... chool.html

First glance at girls AA I wonder why Chaska/Chan isn't on list or why Lakeville South isn't above North?

Once again the top teams all play each other, so #1 at the end of the season will earn it. HM plays 8 of the top 12 teams (and they are one of the 4 they aren't playing). They don't play Tonka, Hopkins or Mounds View during the regular season. Although they might get Roseville or Mounds View in the Kaposia classic, assuming those teams are still in it.

Going to put this (Kaposia bracket) here because I never can find it come holiday time:

http://hockey-girls.secondary.sspps.sch ... f4c94828e3

November 12, 2014 Rankings:

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/teams/hig ... kings.html

November 19th, 2014 Rankings:

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/latest-ra ... chool.html

tinroofrusted wrote:November 19th, 2014 Rankings:

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/latest-ra ... chool.html

5 of top 10 are scheduled to play in EP holiday tourney. While 7 of the 8 participants are ranked in top 17 teams in AA should be some good hockey!

High School Girls AA

1 EDEN PRAIRIE (10)
2 Maple Grove
3 Dodge County
4 Hill-Murray
5 Minnetonka
6 Lakeville South
7 Edina
8 Roseau
9 Wayzata
10 Cretin-Derham Hall
11 Lakeville North
12 Mounds View
13 Hopkins
14 Champlin Park
15 Chaska/Chanhassen
16 Stillwater Area
17 Benilde-St. Margaret's
18 Elk River/Zimmerman
19 Blaine
20 Rochester John Marshall


High School Girls A

1 BLAKE (7)
2 Breck (3)
3 Thief River Falls
4 Warroad
5 Red Wing
6 East Grand Forks
7 Mound Westonka
8 South St. Paul
9 St. Paul United
10 Orono
11 Proctor/Hermantown
12 Alexandria
13 Hibbing/Chisholm
14 New Prague
15 Totino-Grace
16 Mankato East/Loyola
17 Princeton
18 Moose Lake Area
19 Chisago Lakes Area
20 New Ulm

LPH hockey rankings share a lot with figure skating judging. Results are based as much on what you've done in the past (as in last year) as what you are doing now. How are Minnetonka and Edina ranked higher than Roseau? Roseau's tie with International Falls occurred after the tally. The same prejudice goes for Blake over Breck (undefeated at the time of the poll).

Could be a little truth to that, but then we see Dodge County (no wins over top teams) and Maple Grove (only one win over a ranked team) ranked higher than Tonka, for example, which would have everything to do with what they've done recently. Tonka has basically played only ranked teams, winning all of them easily, and happened to stumble once against a very good Roseau team. We can get into the SOS debate again, but I think there is a lot to it. We've seen time and again where teams with gaudy records against average opponents lose at the end of the year when they finally have to play a top-tier team, while teams with less pristine records against top-tier teams during the season win out at the end.

Should H-M have dropped out of the top 20 after starting the season 0-2 when we're all pretty sure that they'll be near the top at the end? That's what using recent experience would force you to do. But we all know better than that. Should Roseau be ranked higher after nice wins over Tonka and Edina, but then a loss to Class A Breck? Maybe. EP has certainly earned their top spot, both by playing top teams and by winning, and is probably the only team that you can't argue about their current ranking. So, it's much more multi-dimensional than past history vs. current results and each voter has his/her personal biases and rationale.

Again, the teams that win at the end don't much care what their ranking is at the beginning of the season. Yes, it's nice when a high ranking happens for the first time and it helps build excitement and perhaps confidence, but I'll always take the February ranking over the November ranking.

In defense to Dodge County they did beat Benilde game one which they were #8, Jefferson #20, as well as Hopkins #13. Again these are rankings only by coaches who have not seen all the teams. All that matters is playoff time and good luck to all as there have been some great games this year.

Good point, Mav, I was looking at current rankings only, but there's still a long way to go, as we all know.

When was the last time that Roseville wasn't ranked somewhere in the Top 20? I bet they will be next week!

http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_ar ... _id=868951

sinbin wrote:Could be a little truth to that, but then we see Dodge County (no wins over top teams) and Maple Grove (only one win over a ranked team) ranked higher than Tonka, for example, which would have everything to do with what they've done recently. Tonka has basically played only ranked teams, winning all of them easily, and happened to stumble once against a very good Roseau team. We can get into the SOS debate again, but I think there is a lot to it. We've seen time and again where teams with gaudy records against average opponents lose at the end of the year when they finally have to play a top-tier team, while teams with less pristine records against top-tier teams during the season win out at the end.

Should H-M have dropped out of the top 20 after starting the season 0-2 when we're all pretty sure that they'll be near the top at the end? That's what using recent experience would force you to do. But we all know better than that. Should Roseau be ranked higher after nice wins over Tonka and Edina, but then a loss to Class A Breck? Maybe. EP has certainly earned their top spot, both by playing top teams and by winning, and is probably the only team that you can't argue about their current ranking. So, it's much more multi-dimensional than past history vs. current results and each voter has his/her personal biases and rationale.

Again, the teams that win at the end don't much care what their ranking is at the beginning of the season. Yes, it's nice when a high ranking happens for the first time and it helps build excitement and perhaps confidence, but I'll always take the February ranking over the November ranking.

Or as the HM girls are most certainly saying, the late February wins over the November ones. In high school sports rankings mean nothing. Every team gets their chance to be the best at the end. Any rankings along the way are just for fun.

Sparlimb wrote:

sinbin wrote:Could be a little truth to that, but then we see Dodge County (no wins over top teams) and Maple Grove (only one win over a ranked team) ranked higher than Tonka, for example, which would have everything to do with what they've done recently. Tonka has basically played only ranked teams, winning all of them easily, and happened to stumble once against a very good Roseau team. We can get into the SOS debate again, but I think there is a lot to it. We've seen time and again where teams with gaudy records against average opponents lose at the end of the year when they finally have to play a top-tier team, while teams with less pristine records against top-tier teams during the season win out at the end.

Should H-M have dropped out of the top 20 after starting the season 0-2 when we're all pretty sure that they'll be near the top at the end? That's what using recent experience would force you to do. But we all know better than that. Should Roseau be ranked higher after nice wins over Tonka and Edina, but then a loss to Class A Breck? Maybe. EP has certainly earned their top spot, both by playing top teams and by winning, and is probably the only team that you can't argue about their current ranking. So, it's much more multi-dimensional than past history vs. current results and each voter has his/her personal biases and rationale.

Again, the teams that win at the end don't much care what their ranking is at the beginning of the season. Yes, it's nice when a high ranking happens for the first time and it helps build excitement and perhaps confidence, but I'll always take the February ranking over the November ranking.

Or as the HM girls are most certainly saying, the late February wins over the November ones. In high school sports rankings mean nothing. Every team gets their chance to be the best at the end. Any rankings along the way are just for fun.

Well stated, but they do give us fodder for discussion and some sections use computer rankings as guidelines for seeding.

December 3rd, 2014 Rankings:

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/latest-ra ... chool.html

High School Girls AA
1 EDEN PRAIRIE (10)
2 Maple Grove
3 Edina
4 Roseau
5 Dodge County
6 Hill-Murray
7 Minnetonka
8 Lakeville South
9 Wayzata
10 Cretin-Derham Hall
11 Lakeville North
12 Mounds View
13 Chaska/Chanhassen
14 Elk River/Zimmerman
15 Champlin Park
16 Buffalo
17 Stillwater Area
18 Hopkins
19 Benilde-St. Margaret's
20 Blaine

High School Girls A
1 BLAKE (9)
2 Breck (1)
3 Thief River Falls
4 Warroad
5 East Grand Forks
6 Red Wing
7 St. Paul United
8 South St. Paul
9 New Prague
10 Mound Westonka
11 Orono
12 Proctor/Hermantown
13 Hibbing/Chisholm
14 Alexandria
15 Totino-Grace
16 Mankato East/Loyola
17 Princeton
18 Moose Lake Area
19 New Ulm
20 Northfield

http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/schedul ... son=175784

A team that is 0-10 is the 15th best team in Class A at this point in the season?

High School Girls A
1 BLAKE (9)
2 Breck (1)
3 Thief River Falls
4 Warroad
5 East Grand Forks
6 Red Wing
7 St. Paul United
8 South St. Paul
9 New Prague
10 Mound Westonka
11 Orono
12 Proctor/Hermantown
13 Hibbing/Chisholm
14 Alexandria
15 Totino-Grace
16 Mankato East/Loyola
17 Princeton
18 Moose Lake Area
19 New Ulm
20 Northfield

Either all of the coaches completing the rankings are super, super knowledgeable about every team in Class A or, even though I know this is the remotest of possibilities, they're in large part going through the motions once they get past #5.

Pretty much throws out any credibility the Class A rankings would have from LPH. Class A should probably just rank a top ten and welcome to the NWSC for Grace, Looks like they have only played one Class A school though.

See the pre-season vs. current Class A rankings . . . almost no change.

High School Girls AA
1 EDEN PRAIRIE (10)
2 Maple Grove
3 Roseau
4 Edina
5 Dodge County
6 Hill-Murray
7 Minnetonka
8 Lakeville South
9 Wayzata
10 Cretin-Derham Hall
11 Lakeville North
12 Mounds View
13 Elk River/Zimmerman
14 Chaska/Chanhassen
15 Hopkins
16 Stillwater Area
17 Buffalo
18 Benilde-St. Margaret's
19 Blaine
20 Champlin Park

High School Girls A
1 BLAKE (9)
2 Breck
3 Thief River Falls
4 Warroad
5 East Grand Forks
6 St. Paul United
7 Orono
8 Red Wing
9 South St. Paul
10 New Prague
11 Mound Westonka
12 Proctor/Hermantown
13 Alexandria
14 Moose Lake Area
15 Hibbing/Chisholm
16 Mankato East/Loyola
17 Princeton
18 Totino-Grace
19 New Ulm
20 Northfield

High School Girls AA
1 EDEN PRAIRIE (10)
2 Maple Grove
3 Roseau
4 Hill-Murray
5 Minnetonka
6 Lakeville South
7 Wayzata
8 Edina
9 Dodge County
10 Cretin-Derham Hall
11 Lakeville North
12 Elk River/Zimmerman
13 Chaska/Chanhassen
14 Hopkins
15 Mounds View
16 Stillwater Area
17 Buffalo
18 Benilde-St. Margaret's
19 Blaine
20 Rochester John Marshall

High School Girls A
1 BLAKE (10)
2 Breck
3 Thief River Falls
4 Warroad
5 East Grand Forks
6 St. Paul United
7 Orono
8 Red Wing
9 South St. Paul
10 New Prague
11 Proctor/Hermantown
12 Moose Lake Area
13 Alexandria
14 Mound Westonka
15 Hibbing/Chisholm
16 Mankato East/Loyola
17 Princeton
18 Northfield
19 Chisago Lakes Area
20 Totino-Grace

High School Girls AA
1 EDEN PRAIRIE (10)
2 Maple Grove
3 Roseau
4 Hill-Murray
5 Minnetonka
6 Edina
7 Wayzata
8 Dodge County
9 Lakeville South
10 Lakeville North
11 Elk River/Zimmerman
12 Cretin-Derham Hall
13 Chaska/Chanhassen
14 Hopkins
15 Stillwater Area
16 Mounds View
17 Buffalo
18 Benilde-St. Margaret's
19 Blaine
20 Rochester John Marshall

High School Girls A
1 BLAKE (10)
2 Breck
3 Thief River Falls
4 Warroad
5 East Grand Forks
6 Red Wing
7 St. Paul United
8 Orono
9 Proctor/Hermantown
10 New Prague
11 South St. Paul
12 Moose Lake Area
13 Alexandria
14 Mound Westonka
15 Hibbing/Chisholm
16 Mankato East/Loyola
17 Princeton
18 Northfield
19 Chisago Lakes Area
20 New Ulm

High School Girls AA
1 EDEN PRAIRIE ( 8 )
2 Maple Grove (2)
3 Minnetonka
4 Hill-Murray
5 Roseau
6 Edina
7 Wayzata
8 Dodge County
9 Lakeville South
10 Lakeville North
11 Cretin-Derham Hall
12 Chaska/Chanhassen
13 Elk River/Zimmerman
14 Hopkins
15 Mounds View
16 Stillwater Area
17 Blaine
18 Buffalo
19 Rochester John Marshall
20 Benilde-St. Margaret's

High School Girls A
1 BLAKE (10)
2 Thief River Falls
3 St. Paul United
4 Breck
5 Warroad
6 East Grand Forks
7 Red Wing
8 Orono
9 Proctor/Hermantown
10 New Prague
11 South St. Paul
12 Alexandria
13 Moose Lake Area
14 Mound Westonka
15 Hibbing/Chisholm
16 Mankato East/Loyola
17 Princeton
18 Mahtomedi
19 New Ulm
20 Chisago Lakes Area

Interesting that MG is stealing a few first place votes from EP despite EP still undefeated (as is MG). EP has more ties than MG (3 to 1 margin), so maybe that's swaying a few voters.