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Jan 14 LPH Rankings

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For the lazy...

1 LAKEVILLE NORTH (10)
2 Edina
3 Hill-Murray
4 St. Thomas Academy
5 Elk River/Zimmerman
6 Eden Prairie
7 Benilde-St. Margaret's
8 Wayzata
9 Bemidji
10 White Bear Lake
11 Burnsville
12 Minnetonka
13 Blaine
14 Cretin-Derham Hall
15 Farmington
16 Holy Family Catholic
17 Prior Lake
18 Moorhead
19 Lakeville South
20 Stillwater Area

Also, is it just me or are these rankings AWFUL? Wayzata at #8 when they're a .500 team? One loss Bemidji at #9? Benilde at #7 (granted they're playing better as of late, but they're still 8-6-2)? St. Thomas loses it's first game of the year and some how H-M is ranked above them? I just don't get it.

Granted, I think there is a separation between the top 15 teams and the rest of the teams in the state, but the logic they seem to apply to these rankings is puzzling.

bubblehockey27 wrote:For the lazy...

1 LAKEVILLE NORTH (10)
2 Edina
3 Hill-Murray
4 St. Thomas Academy
5 Elk River/Zimmerman
6 Eden Prairie
7 Benilde-St. Margaret's
8 Wayzata
9 Bemidji
10 White Bear Lake
11 Burnsville
12 Minnetonka
13 Blaine
14 Cretin-Derham Hall
15 Farmington
16 Holy Family Catholic
17 Prior Lake
18 Moorhead
19 Lakeville South
20 Stillwater Area

Also, is it just me or are these rankings AWFUL? Wayzata at #8 when they're a .500 team? One loss Bemidji at #9? Benilde at #7 (granted they're playing better as of late, but they're still 8-6-2)? St. Thomas loses it's first game of the year and some how H-M is ranked above them? I just don't get it.

Granted, I think there is a separation between the top 15 teams and the rest of the teams in the state, but the logic they seem to apply to these rankings is puzzling.

Now that I have been scolded, I have to say, "what does it matter?"

But I think what we need is a 'bored' ranking system.. We all put our two cents in and then average them out.
Our resident rankers do a fine job, but the rest of us always feel they should be tweaked.

Perhaps we need to bring back the weekly 'bored' rankings so it can be done 'right' and the methodology out in the open for all to see.

elliott70 wrote:
Now that I have been scolded, I have to say, "what does it matter?"

But I think what we need is a 'bored' ranking system.. We all put our two cents in and then average them out.
Our resident rankers do a fine job, but the rest of us always feel they should be tweaked.

Perhaps we need to bring back the weekly 'bored' rankings so it can be done 'right' and the methodology out in the open for all to see.

Didn't mean to scold anyone, I was just saying it seems that the ranking system for the top 10 appears to differ from the bottom 10. Or at least it seems like there are other factors that go into the rankings.

I'm in Elliot! Let's start a weekly member poll!

bubblehockey27 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:
Now that I have been scolded, I have to say, "what does it matter?"

But I think what we need is a 'bored' ranking system.. We all put our two cents in and then average them out.
Our resident rankers do a fine job, but the rest of us always feel they should be tweaked.

Perhaps we need to bring back the weekly 'bored' rankings so it can be done 'right' and the methodology out in the open for all to see.

Didn't mean to scold anyone, I was just saying it seems that the ranking system for the top 10 appears to differ from the bottom 10. Or at least it seems like there are other factors that go into the rankings.

I'm in Elliot! Let's start a weekly member poll!

Got the scolding elsewhere.

Weekly member poll starting Sunday.

bubblehockey27 wrote:For the lazy...

1 LAKEVILLE NORTH (10)
2 Edina
3 Hill-Murray
4 St. Thomas Academy
5 Elk River/Zimmerman
6 Eden Prairie
7 Benilde-St. Margaret's
8 Wayzata
9 Bemidji
10 White Bear Lake
11 Burnsville
12 Minnetonka
13 Blaine
14 Cretin-Derham Hall
15 Farmington
16 Holy Family Catholic
17 Prior Lake
18 Moorhead
19 Lakeville South
20 Stillwater Area

Also, is it just me or are these rankings AWFUL? Wayzata at #8 when they're a .500 team? One loss Bemidji at #9? Benilde at #7 (granted they're playing better as of late, but they're still 8-6-2)? St. Thomas loses it's first game of the year and some how H-M is ranked above them? I just don't get it.

Granted, I think there is a separation between the top 15 teams and the rest of the teams in the state, but the logic they seem to apply to these rankings is puzzling.

Bblhcky, So you don't like the rankings - tell us what your rankings would be as I think we would be interested in knowing.

1. LVN followed by Bemidji then edina? what would your rankings be???

I looked at everyones rankings for this week, and about only thing can say for sure is pretty much consensus on top two. And in most (but not all) top 5, but not necessarily in same order.

Around Christmas, I started thinking that it was almost impossible at that point to distinguish #9-15, then as season went along #7-15, and now maybe #6-15??

I have to rely on Elliott and others about Bemidji, obviously there are enough LPH coaches who think they rightfully belong in top 10. That being the case, I think LPH is pretty close in #6-15, at least as a group.

The question earlier about Wayzata is a good one, especially now that Stevens is hurt. I am going to see Ep at Wayz tonite, several D1s to watch.
This game should decide between those two on the list. Then Saturday, we will see who is correct about Hill vs STA, I say flip of the coin but then Ill give the edge to Lechner.

Just for fun, I went back and found my final preseason ranking , below. I missed on #1 vs #2, and a little overrating of BSM, and way overanked HF and MG.




Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Ok, my final preseason prediction shown below:

Dropped Duluth East from Top Ten, Replaced with EP

Moved Elk River up Ahead of Wayzata

Otherwise, pretty much the same as July 22



2014-2015 2013 -2014
Rank Record Returning key players

1 Edina 20 -4-1 Malmquist , Wait Masterman Dornbach, Mishmash, Fuss, Bohlby, Foley,Meyer, Pugh, Boe (Bellows and Zuhls decided early depart)


2. LV North 20-4-1 Poehlings,McNeeley, Enebak, Sadek, Reis, goalie Edquist


3 Benilde 13 -8-3 Jungels,Kaske,Newhouse, Roo,Heimbold , Austin Calengar, Risteau . Goaltenders Long /Bischell


4 St. Thomas 18-6-1 Broetzman , Versich , Tufto, Donahue,McDonald,Hurley Smallidge, Goalie Snow


5 Hill Murray 22 -3 . Mikey Anderson, Olsen,Mills, Zarembinski, Staum. Goalie Wendlandt Coach Lechner is worth a couple notches in the rankings.


6 Elk River 18-6 Kierstad, Jaremko,,Lutz,Johnson Schwab, Goalie Meyers


7 Wayzata 19 -5 -1 Stevens, Zimmer, Sorenson, Senden,Duma, Dingman, Patterson Goalie Schilling


8 Eden Prairie 14 8-3 Graham, Schoo, Aguilar,Middlestat,Sullivan, Goalies Durocher/Thompsom


9 Holy Family 19-5-1 Peterson, Garin, Redden, Runyon,Anderson , Goalie Heifort


10 Maple Grove 14-8-3 Passolt, Huff, Kelly,Franta, Zajicek, Goalie Goodman

the LPH rankings are slow to change and that is a great thing. The changes come slowly and when a team has bottomed out like wayzata they are dropping slowly but surely. I think LPH had it right and we are learning as the season progresses that Wayzata is not a top team. Watch and in the end they will have Wayzata below ten and maybe even fifteen if they continue to play and lose like they have. The last two or three rankings have had them slowly drop. Just be patient.

The rankings at the end of the season often are close to determine who comes out of what section. The higher ranked team usually finishes the section tournament as a state tourney team. When a ranked team is playing a nonranked team the ranked team wins at a 90% rate or so. they when it gets down to semifinals and finals the better ranked team wins at 75% or so. Do the math when section playoffs begin.

WestMetro wrote:I looked at everyones rankings for this week, and about only thing can say for sure is pretty much consensus on top two. And in most (but not all) top 5, but not necessarily in same order.

Around Christmas, I started thinking that it was almost impossible at that point to distinguish #9-15, then as season went along #7-15, and now maybe #6-15??

I have to rely on Elliott and others about Bemidji, obviously there are enough LPH coaches who think they rightfully belong in top 10. That being the case, I think LPH is pretty close in #6-15, at least as a group.

The question earlier about Wayzata is a good one, especially now that Stevens is hurt. I am going to see Ep at Wayz tonite, several D1s to watch.
This game should decide between those two on the list. Then Saturday, we will see who is correct about Hill vs STA, I say flip of the coin but then Ill give the edge to Lechner.

Just for fun, I went back and found my final preseason ranking , below. I missed on #1 vs #2, and a little overrating of BSM, and way overanked HF and MG.




Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Ok, my final preseason prediction shown below:

Dropped Duluth East from Top Ten, Replaced with EP

Moved Elk River up Ahead of Wayzata

Otherwise, pretty much the same as July 22



2014-2015 2013 -2014
Rank Record Returning key players

1 Edina 20 -4-1 Malmquist , Wait Masterman Dornbach, Mishmash, Fuss, Bohlby, Foley,Meyer, Pugh, Boe (Bellows and Zuhls decided early depart)


2. LV North 20-4-1 Poehlings,McNeeley, Enebak, Sadek, Reis, goalie Edquist


3 Benilde 13 -8-3 Jungels,Kaske,Newhouse, Roo,Heimbold , Austin Calengar, Risteau . Goaltenders Long /Bischell


4 St. Thomas 18-6-1 Broetzman , Versich , Tufto, Donahue,McDonald,Hurley Smallidge, Goalie Snow


5 Hill Murray 22 -3 . Mikey Anderson, Olsen,Mills, Zarembinski, Staum. Goalie Wendlandt Coach Lechner is worth a couple notches in the rankings.


6 Elk River 18-6 Kierstad, Jaremko,,Lutz,Johnson Schwab, Goalie Meyers


7 Wayzata 19 -5 -1 Stevens, Zimmer, Sorenson, Senden,Duma, Dingman, Patterson Goalie Schilling


8 Eden Prairie 14 8-3 Graham, Schoo, Aguilar,Middlestat,Sullivan, Goalies Durocher/Thompsom


9 Holy Family 19-5-1 Peterson, Garin, Redden, Runyon,Anderson , Goalie Heifort


10 Maple Grove 14-8-3 Passolt, Huff, Kelly,Franta, Zajicek, Goalie Goodman

Who is Reis?

My mistake at that time , based on mistake on Elite League Rosters and Programs, they showed Nick Reis as LVN and I thought he had transferred from Cretin. Obviously didnt, and having another great season