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Brimsek Candidates
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:05 pm
by CreaseMonkey
There has not been much discussion on the Brimsek Award and I am wondering what people's thoughts are on this year's contenders. What criteria weighs heaviest when narrowing it down to the final two? Is it W/L record, GAA, Sv%, or is it some non-measurable intangible that weighs heaviest in the decision? What about the quality of the team in front of a goalie, and how that factors into his statistics? Can a great goalie on a bad team win the Brimsek?
I took some of the popular candidates and mixed in a few that never get mentioned. To be fair, I only included goalies who have played against multiple top 5 teams as well. I also added a final stat, which is the team's average goals vs their opponents in the event people want to take that into consideration. With no names factoring in, who in this list would merit consideration for the award?
Here are the past 4 Brimsek winners:
W L T SH SV G GAA % SO TGPG
17 8 0 797 732 65 2.64 .918 1 3.61
19 2 2 482 452 30 1.32 .938 0 5.28
18 6 0 670 621 49 2.02 .927 5 4.22
16 6 3 708 671 37 1.48 .948 6 3.6
Here are 7 candidates for this year:
W L T SH SV G GAA % SO TGPG
1. 11 6 2 565 520 45 2.3 .920 0 3.33
2. 12 8 1 601 555 46 2.18 .923 4 3.29
3. 8 10 1 491 444 47 2.44 .904 2 2.90
4. 6 13 0 663 604 59 3.16 .911 3 2.55
5. 11 12 1 700 643 57 2.34 .919 5 2.21
6. 11 2 0 266 244 22 1.6 .917 3 4.00
7. 6 5 2 323 292 31 2.44 .904 0 2.57
Re: Brimsek Candidates
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:19 pm
by The Exiled One
CreaseMonkey wrote:To be fair, I only included goalies who have played against multiple top 5 teams as well.
Not quite all the way fair. Can you add in the
schedule strength please? Even then, stats only tell part of the story, but if you fulfill my request I'll play along with your hypothetical.
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:54 pm
by nahc
If my math is correct one candidate from this years list is giving up 4 goals a game and has a save % of over 90%. That means this tender is facing at least 40 shots a game....... thats a lot of pucks being thrown in his direction......
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:23 pm
by hadenuf
ROONEY.....ROONEY.....ROONEY.....ROONEY
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:57 pm
by elliott70
Kyle Jacobs South St. Paul 561:00 8 3 0 299 283 16 1.45 .946 2
Ryan Edquist Lakeville North 958:18 19 0 0 416 389 27 1.44 .935 6
Andy Beran St. Paul Academy 583:11 11 0 0 244 228 16 1.40 .934 2
Adam Johannsen Faribault 605:16 9 2 0 386 359 27 2.28 .930 1
Stephen Headrick Breck 1179:09 17 6 0 432 401 31 1.34 .928 7
Levi Thesing La Crescent 561:32 9 2 0 291 270 21 1.91 .928 1
Luke Olson Hermantown 910:17 16 1 1 411 381 30 1.68 .927 2
Alex Murray Duluth Marshall 813:43 11 4 1 393 364 29 1.82 .926 4
Drew Scites Prior Lake 679:15 8 4 1 344 318 26 1.95 .924 1
Jon Flakne Orono 1076:00 12 8 1 601 555 46 2.18 .923 4
Nick Althaus St. Cloud Apollo 1024:56 14 4 2 351 324 27 1.34 .923 5
Ryan Martin Minneapolis 519:22 6 3 0 216 199 17 1.67 .921 3
Jacob Dittmer Moorhead 995:45 11 6 2 565 520 45 2.30 .920 0
Christian Reimers Alexandria 993:16 16 2 1 438 403 35 1.80 .920 3
Conner Wagner New Prague 974:37 13 6 0 461 424 37 1.94 .920 5
Josh DeBoer La Crescent 518:24 6 4 0 320 294 26 2.56 .919 2
Tyler Rizzardi Delano 1014:48 17 4 0 541 497 44 2.21 .919 2
Alex Burke Warroad 1244:14 11 12 1 700 643 57 2.34 .919 5
Quinn Huff Roseville 505:07 6 4 0 256 235 21 2.12 .918 2
Josh Weber East Grand Forks 701:18 11 2 0 266 244 22 1.60 .917 3
Taylor Marthaler Sartell-St. Stephen 510:00 9 1 0 169 155 14 1.40 .917 3
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:02 pm
by elliott70
nahc wrote:If my math is correct one candidate from this years list is giving up 4 goals a game and has a save % of over 90%. That means this tender is facing at least 40 shots a game....... thats a lot of pucks being thrown in his direction......
"6. 11 2 0 266 244 22 1.6 .917 3 4.00"
13 games 22 goals given up would be 1.69.
Must not have played in all 11-2-0 games. 4 GPG @@ goals allowed that would be 5.5 games.
That would be less than 300 minutes. Not in the running with so few minutes.
My criteria at this point of the season would be at a minimum of 500 minutes, perhaps more.
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:34 pm
by Deathblow
elliott70 wrote:nahc wrote:
"6. 11 2 0 266 244 22 1.6 .917 3 4.00"
13 games 22 goals given up would be 1.69.
Must not have played in all 11-2-0 games. 4 GPG @@ goals allowed that would be 5.5 games.
That would be less than 300 minutes. Not in the running with so few minutes.
My criteria at this point of the season would be at a minimum of 500 minutes, perhaps more.
The 4.00. GPG is how many goals the goalie's team scores, per game...the 700 minutes is legit... 13 full games (663 minutes), plus came in, in relief one game...that's why GAA is even 1.6.
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:41 pm
by elliott70
Deathblow wrote:elliott70 wrote:nahc wrote:
"6. 11 2 0 266 244 22 1.6 .917 3 4.00"
13 games 22 goals given up would be 1.69.
Must not have played in all 11-2-0 games. 4 GPG @@ goals allowed that would be 5.5 games.
That would be less than 300 minutes. Not in the running with so few minutes.
My criteria at this point of the season would be at a minimum of 500 minutes, perhaps more.
The 4.00. GPG is how many goals the goalie's team scores, per game...the 700 minutes is legit... 13 full games (663 minutes), plus came in, in relief one game...that's why GAA is even 1.6.
In evaluating goalies what is the significance of the number of goals scored by his team?
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:41 pm
by nahc
Based on Elliott's post plus strength of schedule, I'd have to give the edge to Edquist although am sure the Bemidji goalies may be the ones to beat!!!
Re: Brimsek Candidates
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:43 pm
by north_bear
CreaseMonkey wrote:
Here are the past 4 Brimsek winners:
W L T SH SV G GAA % SO TGPG
17 8 0 797 732 65 2.64 .918 1 3.61
19 2 2 482 452 30 1.32 .938 0 5.28
18 6 0 670 621 49 2.02 .927 5 4.22
16 6 3 708 671 37 1.48 .948 6 3.6
Here are 7 candidates for this year:
W L T SH SV G GAA % SO TGPG
1. 11 6 2 565 520 45 2.3 .920 0 3.33
2. 12 8 1 601 555 46 2.18 .923 4 3.29
3. 8 10 1 491 444 47 2.44 .904 2 2.90
4. 6 13 0 663 604 59 3.16 .911 3 2.55
5. 11 12 1 700 643 57 2.34 .919 5 2.21
6. 11 2 0 266 244 22 1.6 .917 3 4.00
7. 6 5 2 323 292 31 2.44 .904 0 2.57
elliott70 wrote:
nahc wrote:
"6. 11 2 0 266 244 22 1.6 .917 3 4.00"
13 games 22 goals given up would be 1.69.
Must not have played in all 11-2-0 games. 4 GPG @@ goals allowed that would be 5.5 games.
That would be less than 300 minutes. Not in the running with so few minutes.
My criteria at this point of the season would be at a minimum of 500 minutes, perhaps more.
The 4.00. GPG is how many goals the goalie's team scores, per game...the 700 minutes is legit... 13 full games (663 minutes), plus came in, in relief one game...that's why GAA is even 1.6.
In evaluating goalies what is the significance of the number of goals scored by his team?
A goalie is more valuable to his team when the team averages less goals per game. The Brimsek winner from 2 years ago had about a 4 goal margin to work with based on averages on any given night, that's a lot of soft goals or mistakes by a tender in one game and the team will probably still get the win. In comparison: the winner from last year had less than a 1 goal difference on average between his GAA and TGPG. Thus he had no margin for error or it would most likely cost his team the win. [/b]
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:21 pm
by CreaseMonkey
elliott70 wrote:Deathblow wrote:elliott70 wrote:
The 4.00. GPG is how many goals the goalie's team scores, per game...the 700 minutes is legit... 13 full games (663 minutes), plus came in, in relief one game...that's why GAA is even 1.6.
In evaluating goalies what is the significance of the number of goals scored by his team?
I noted the team's goals per game to show the level of offensive support in front of those particular goalies. If the best defense is a good offense, a higher total might show better support in front of that player, or bear out the "good goalie on a bad team" angle.
How much of a goalies success is a result of the team in front of him and the quality of shots he is seeing? I think that the combination of shots a goalie sees and the number of goals his team is scoring in front of him are an interesting aspect to consider.
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:24 pm
by GOALIEPOPS
if you're really bored check out each goaltenders team PIM.
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:22 pm
by GOALIEPOPS
Here's a list of team PIM from the list above. It's in no particular order and I added Burnsville.
Hermantown 185
Delano 138
Lakeville North 259
Sartell-St. Stephen 207
St. Paul Academy 192
La Crescent 248
Roseville 164
Prior Lake 229
Breck 157
East Grand Forks 209
Bemidji 209
Alexandria 187
Orono 244
Moorhead 261
New Prague 129
Burnsville 162
Minneapolis 144
South St. Paul 175
Warroad 172
Cloud Apollo 238
Duluth Marshall 185
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:28 pm
by GOALIEPOPS
Missed one on the PIM thing
Faribault 234
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:44 pm
by ilovemesomehockey
Quite a few junior goalies on that list
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:13 pm
by GOALIEPOPS
I just grabbed Elliott's list as an example.
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:15 pm
by nahc
Just more factors for Edquist as the top goalie.........
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:34 pm
by GOALIEPOPS
I don't think this is a rant vs Edquist. He's clearly a good goalie that also enjoys his team putting up lots of goals and arguably the best defensive team in the state.
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:16 pm
by ilovemesomehockey
Brimsek = top SENIOR goaltender in the state
Here's how I break down the Sr goaltenders I have seen play:
Dittmer & Kuehmichel - Brimsek finalists
Didn't play Elites but deserve consideration:
Boe (Edina) - would be my 3rd pick - leads AA in SO's
Murray (DM) - single A schedule will hurt
Headrick (Breck) - ditto
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:28 pm
by ilovemesomehockey
GOALIEPOPS wrote:I don't think this is a rant vs Edquist. He's clearly a good goalie that also enjoys his team putting up lots of goals and arguably the best defensive team in the state.
He will win it next year - if he stays.
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:32 pm
by GOALIEPOPS
ilovemesomehockey wrote:GOALIEPOPS wrote:I don't think this is a rant vs Edquist. He's clearly a good goalie that also enjoys his team putting up lots of goals and arguably the best defensive team in the state.
He will win it next year - if he stays.
Agreed
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:28 am
by The Exiled One
Official Release
Stephen Headrick (Breck)
Dyllan Lubbesmeyer (Burnsville)
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:32 am
by CreaseMonkey
The Exiled One wrote:Official Release
Stephen Headrick (Breck)
Dyllan Lubbesmeyer (Burnsville)
Now that the final two candidates have been named are there any opinions on why these two were chosen over the others? Based on statistics alone, they were not the two that would jump out at me. No knock against either one as they are both very good tenders.
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:38 am
by ThePuckStopsHere
CreaseMonkey wrote:The Exiled One wrote:Official Release
Stephen Headrick (Breck)
Dyllan Lubbesmeyer (Burnsville)
Now that the final two candidates have been named are there any opinions on why these two were chosen over the others? Based on statistics alone, they were not the two that would jump out at me. No knock against either one as they are both very good tenders.
Both very good but I would have bet the house on Kuehmichel.
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:05 pm
by NLHockey
ThePuckStopsHere wrote:CreaseMonkey wrote:The Exiled One wrote:Official Release
Stephen Headrick (Breck)
Dyllan Lubbesmeyer (Burnsville)
Now that the final two candidates have been named are there any opinions on why these two were chosen over the others? Based on statistics alone, they were not the two that would jump out at me. No knock against either one as they are both very good tenders.
Both very good but I would have bet the house on Kuehmichel.
Me too
