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If Hill iwns
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4/5 EP - Hill or the other way
6 7 8
Bemidji, Blaine, Duluth East

If Stillwater wins
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4 EP
5 Bemidji
6 7 8
Stillwater, Blaine, Duluth East

As it might be, based on LN Edina and STA voting...
thought is those three do not want to face Bemidji in the first round because they know they have a good team and they know very little else about them...
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4 EP
5 Bemidji

6 7 8
Blaine, Duluth East, Hill or Stillwater.

elliott70 wrote:If Hill iwns
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4/5 EP - Hill or the other way
6 7 8
Bemidji, Blaine, Duluth East

If Stillwater wins
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4 EP
5 Bemidji
6 7 8
Stillwater, Blaine, Duluth East

As it might be, based on LN Edina and STA voting...
thought is those three do not want to face Bemidji in the first round because they know they have a good team and they know very little else about them...
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4 EP
5 Bemidji

6 7 8
Blaine, Duluth East, Hill or Stillwater.

If for some reason Stillwater wins, you would give the edge to your Jacks to get the 5 seed over Blaine? I see that hard to believe the coaches would actually vote that way and risk having to play Blaine in the quarters.

But maybe you are right that the coaches would rather not see the Jacks right away and take their chances.

1-Lakeville North
2-Edina
3-St. Thomas Academy
4-Blaine
5-Eden Prairie

Blaine has wins over EP & Hill-Murray plus a better overall record.
Eden Prairie has a win over Hill-Murray, plus the 6AA winner will always get some added credibility, justified or not.

InYourFace09 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:If Hill iwns
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4/5 EP - Hill or the other way
6 7 8
Bemidji, Blaine, Duluth East

If Stillwater wins
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4 EP
5 Bemidji
6 7 8
Stillwater, Blaine, Duluth East

As it might be, based on LN Edina and STA voting...
thought is those three do not want to face Bemidji in the first round because they know they have a good team and they know very little else about them...
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4 EP
5 Bemidji

6 7 8
Blaine, Duluth East, Hill or Stillwater.

If for some reason Stillwater wins, you would give the edge to your Jacks to get the 5 seed over Blaine? I see that hard to believe the coaches would actually vote that way and risk having to play Blaine in the quarters.

But maybe you are right that the coaches would rather not see the Jacks right away and take their chances.

Blaine lost to Roseau...
Bemidji beat them twice, the second time with ease...
Blaine lost to EGF
Bemidji split (second game with a loss for Bemidji, they were short four players)
That is all I have to go on....
From their records I (if I were a coach voting) would think Bemidji to be better.

The Metro coaches will not give Bemidji any respect in seeding. They might have needed to run down and beat a metro school.

elliott70 wrote:

InYourFace09 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:If Hill iwns
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4/5 EP - Hill or the other way
6 7 8
Bemidji, Blaine, Duluth East

If Stillwater wins
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4 EP
5 Bemidji
6 7 8
Stillwater, Blaine, Duluth East

As it might be, based on LN Edina and STA voting...
thought is those three do not want to face Bemidji in the first round because they know they have a good team and they know very little else about them...
1 LN
2 Edina
3 STA
4 EP
5 Bemidji

6 7 8
Blaine, Duluth East, Hill or Stillwater.

If for some reason Stillwater wins, you would give the edge to your Jacks to get the 5 seed over Blaine? I see that hard to believe the coaches would actually vote that way and risk having to play Blaine in the quarters.

But maybe you are right that the coaches would rather not see the Jacks right away and take their chances.

Blaine lost to Roseau...
Bemidji beat them twice, the second time with ease...
Blaine lost to EGF
Bemidji split (second game with a loss for Bemidji, they were short four players)
That is all I have to go on....
From their records I (if I were a coach voting) would think Bemidji to be better.

Blaine lost to Roseau first game of the year... doesn't mean much now come coaches voting. Eden Prairie will be seeded higher than the Jacks for coming out of 6AA.

Basically you are saying that Bemidji should be rated above Blaine. I dont think the coaches will vote in that favor at this point.

I don't see them voting Bemidji there either, but

a bird in hand theory...

a known commodity versus a surprise.

They know Moorhead competed well (minus the LN game) against the metro competition...
Bemidji beat Moorhead (3 times) so they have to assume they are a decent team.
If I am LN, Edina and STA perhaps I would like to see them play a game and then, if it happens, play them in the semis.

Ok Elliott, who do you want Bemidji to play in the quarters?

You are conceding the fact that if Hill Murray makes it they will get 4/5 along with EP correct?

But if Stillwater wins, then the door is open for the 5th spot. Would you rather play EP in the 4/5 matchup or take on one of the top dogs?

Interesting theory: would you rather play the unknown quantity in Bemidji, with the better record & resume, or Duluth East, the known quantity with a worse record and someone the teams have played before, but still have some credibility due to Randolph?

At the same time, I'm guessing LN & Edina don't fear anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if Edina actually had someone up in TRF watching the 8 championship.

InYourFace09 wrote:Ok Elliott, who do you want Bemidji to play in the quarters?

You are conceding the fact that if Hill Murray makes it they will get 4/5 along with EP correct?

But if Stillwater wins, then the door is open for the 5th spot. Would you rather play EP in the 4/5 matchup or take on one of the top dogs?

Personally I would like to play LN
Second choice STA.
Playing EP would be fine.
I would not want to play Edina in the first round.

Being in the 4 or 5 spot would be ideal, and it may be deserved, but without the coaches knowing much about a team the votes probably will not be there unless the coaches are thinking they do not want Bemidji in the first round.

Doc Holliday wrote:Interesting theory: would you rather play the unknown quantity in Bemidji, with the better record & resume, or Duluth East, the known quantity with a worse record and someone the teams have played before, but still have some credibility due to Randolph?

At the same time, I'm guessing LN & Edina don't fear anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if Edina actually had someone up in TRF watching the 8 championship.

Didn't see anyone I recognized but there was a nice crowd.

Elliott I would personally like to see LN play Bemidji too!!! Would be nice to also include Bemidji on their long list of teams they have beaten this year and couldn't think of a better venue than the state quarterfinals!!!!! A lot of the North players have been here before....... THAT makes a huge difference......... plus North is just a better team.......

I feel bad for whoever gets Bemidji thats all I have to say. Blaine is not better then them at all. Also an advantage is that no one else in this tourney has any idea about what they are in for with Bemidji. The Jacks have beat teams that have done very well in the cities. I'm excited for a first round upset.

nahc wrote:Elliott I would personally like to see LN play Bemidji too!!! Would be nice to also include Bemidji on their long list of teams they have beaten this year and couldn't think of a better venue than the state quarterfinals!!!!! A lot of the North players have been here before....... THAT makes a huge difference......... plus North is just a better team.......

I understand that. But like 1980 and the Russians, perhaps not ready for some hungry northern boys.

elliott70 wrote:

Doc Holliday wrote:Interesting theory: would you rather play the unknown quantity in Bemidji, with the better record & resume, or Duluth East, the known quantity with a worse record and someone the teams have played before, but still have some credibility due to Randolph?

At the same time, I'm guessing LN & Edina don't fear anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if Edina actually had someone up in TRF watching the 8 championship.

Didn't see anyone I recognized but there was a nice crowd.

VERY HAPPY to see Bemidji return to the State Tourney! That said, any thought of then getting a top 5 seed is pure fantasy. Blaine has 16 victories and 1 tie their last 17 games and have wins over EP & DE, both State tourney qualifiers plus wins over ER, HM, BSM...there is zero chance Bemidji will be seeded over Blaine.

Bemidji will surprise, if not seeded, they will give someone a run for their money. Defense can make all the difference with this squad, something those metro teams haven't necessarily seen a whole lot this season.

1. LVN
2. Edina
3. STAA
4/5 HM/Blaine in some order

Nobody is going to be an easy out, although if I had to rank teams in the order I'd want to play them it would be:
1. East
2. Bemidji
3. EP

mn miracle man wrote:Bemidji will surprise, if not seeded, they will give someone a run for their money. Defense can make all the difference with this squad, something those metro teams haven't necessarily seen a whole lot this season.

Agree 100% I was at the game in TRF and you can tell they have tottally bought into taking pride on the defensive end. The crowd was almost cheering louder for a blocked shot then they did for a scoring chance, which really fueled the team. It was like watching the Gophers playing Union last year, almost half the shots got blocked.

IGotDibs wrote:It was like watching the Gophers playing Union last year, almost half the shots got blocked.

There were 11 goals scored in the game.

Taking a little focus off bemidji for a second, is there anyway that if Hill wins tonight, they get seeded above STA? LPH had them ranked higher after the season ended and I believe they had a harder schedule this year so record shouldn't weigh in too much. Thoughts?

hockey59 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:

Doc Holliday wrote:Interesting theory: would you rather play the unknown quantity in Bemidji, with the better record & resume, or Duluth East, the known quantity with a worse record and someone the teams have played before, but still have some credibility due to Randolph?

At the same time, I'm guessing LN & Edina don't fear anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if Edina actually had someone up in TRF watching the 8 championship.

Didn't see anyone I recognized but there was a nice crowd.

VERY HAPPY to see Bemidji return to the State Tourney! That said, any thought of then getting a top 5 seed is pure fantasy. Blaine has 16 victories and 1 tie their last 17 games and have wins over EP & DE, both State tourney qualifiers plus wins over ER, HM, BSM...there is zero chance Bemidji will be seeded over Blaine.

Every team has something significant.
It is the coaches perception of teams and their own conception of how they want the bracket set up that matters.
That is what I am trying to get a feel for...
what will Giles do, Randolph, Eigner, Carroll, Smith, Vanelli, Lechner or ??? sorry don't know the Stillwater coach.

Doc Holliday wrote:

IGotDibs wrote:It was like watching the Gophers playing Union last year, almost half the shots got blocked.

There were 11 goals scored in the game.

Yeah well the Gophers wern't blocking any shots and Union was and Union won, so they helped a little bit.

Windmill31 wrote:Taking a little focus off bemidji for a second, is there anyway that if Hill wins tonight, they get seeded above STA? LPH had them ranked higher after the season ended and I believe they had a harder schedule this year so record shouldn't weigh in too much. Thoughts?

Personally, I don't think so.

-STA has a better record
-1-1 record against each other, but STA had the more recent win
-HM similar record to EP, but EP with a head to head win. Plus, I wouldn't knock Hill's schedule, but I do think EP's is stronger.

That said, I wouldn't want to play them in the quarterfinals....

My guess is Bemidji vs Hill_Murray in the quarters...

Bemidji will blow them out of the rink 6-1.

Man, all this Bemidji talk has turned me into a believer. Hope they live up to the hype and have a great tournament showing. Looks like a very solid field of teams this year. Can't wait!