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This year's tournament proves once again that seeding is a farce. Just look at the how Farmington destroyed Stillwater. Well, ok, look at Burnsville up ending Wayzata. Wait, the 3rd game, yeah, that one, did you see how Anoka, uh, uh.

Well, seeding is a bad idea anyway.

I dont like seeding the way it is done. This year it worked, other years it hasn't.

If you are going to seed then two things have to happen: conferences can only be in 2 sections.....conference teams can't meet until the 3rd game. If you seed so EP and Wayzata are in opposite brackets then the same should be true for Farmington and Burnsville.

Seeding works excellent. I can't believe there is even a discussion on this topic. Look at the two semi finals for tomorrow and argue they aren't the best 4 teams.

RalphCox wrote:Seeding works excellent. I can't believe there is even a discussion on this topic. Look at the two semi finals for tomorrow and argue they aren't the best 4 teams.

Given your takes on another topic we should accept this one? Most people could easily argue the 4 best teams aren't playing Friday. The 4 teams that won Thursday are playing though. Would Bemidji have lost to Stillwater? Farmington to Wayzata? They beat Wayzata earlier....Anoka was the only team clearly not in yhe same class ad their oponent.

Fwiw a team that finished 4th in a 5 team conference was seeded #1.

The seedings failed the FIRST YEAR they did them. EVERY underdog won the first round that year.

While that was a clear rarity, that pretty much proved seedings are bs. Back to this year, yes the favorites all won, but GR and Bemiji could argue they had to play 3 tough teams to win a title vs some other teams that clearly did not. With 5 upper tier teams and 3 happy to be there teams there are clear losers in the seeding system. And those losers will never be the metro favorites because the vote is so metro biased. That's just a fact. That said, it's a good system. It's unfair to some schools, but not so unfair that I would call it a bad system.

RalphCox wrote:Seeding works excellent. I can't believe there is even a discussion on this topic. Look at the two semi finals for tomorrow and argue they aren't the best 4 teams.

Agreed. The best 4 teams in both classes are advancing. Who could possibly complain? (read on, lol).

seems to work...

GR is without one of their top players (suspension) and is sounds like Stillwater might have lost 2 top 6 forwards to injury yesterday. Eden Prairie has to like what is going on.

Mavs wrote:seems to work...

GR is without one of their top players (suspension) and is sounds like Stillwater might have lost 2 top 6 forwards to injury yesterday. Eden Prairie has to like what is going on.

Who and what is their injury?

BodyShots wrote:

Mavs wrote:seems to work...

GR is without one of their top players (suspension) and is sounds like Stillwater might have lost 2 top 6 forwards to injury yesterday. Eden Prairie has to like what is going on.

Who and what is their injury?

Manning, concussed, probably out for the Tourney.

TJ Sagissor, something leg-related, questionable. He was out from the middle of the first period on yesterday.

karl(east) wrote:

BodyShots wrote:

Mavs wrote:seems to work...

GR is without one of their top players (suspension) and is sounds like Stillwater might have lost 2 top 6 forwards to injury yesterday. Eden Prairie has to like what is going on.

Who and what is their injury?

Manning, concussed, probably out for the Tourney.

TJ Sagissor, something leg-related, questionable. He was out from the middle of the first period on yesterday.

That sucks. Feel bad for the team and players when this kind of stuff happens in a once in a lifetime event.

LASERBLUE135 wrote:The seedings failed the FIRST YEAR they did them. EVERY underdog won the first round that year.

While that was a clear rarity, that pretty much proved seedings are bs. Back to this year, yes the favorites all won, but GR and Bemiji could argue they had to play 3 tough teams to win a title vs some other teams that clearly did not. With 5 upper tier teams and 3 happy to be there teams there are clear losers in the seeding system. And those losers will never be the metro favorites because the vote is so metro biased. That's just a fact. That said, it's a good system. It's unfair to some schools, but not so unfair that I would call it a bad system.

Teams being upset doesn't mean that seeding failed.

The biggest issue, in my opinion, is that only 5 teams are seeded. I understand the idea of not wanting to hurt feelings and all, but they should go to at least 6 instead of just 5, or even do all 8.
Like it or not, there are more high quality teams in the metro and it is easier for metro teams to play more of them. But that doesn't mean there is favoritism.
If Rapids had beaten EP, Wayzata and Bemidji in the regular season, they're likely the 1 or 2 seed at state. But they didn't.
Bemidji lost to Moorhead and Cloquet, tied Rapids and EGF and beat Hermantown 4-2 and Hill 6-2. I find it hard to rank them much higher here. Beat Cloquet and Moorhead and this may be different.

HShockeywatcher wrote:

LASERBLUE135 wrote:The seedings failed the FIRST YEAR they did them. EVERY underdog won the first round that year.

While that was a clear rarity, that pretty much proved seedings are bs. Back to this year, yes the favorites all won, but GR and Bemiji could argue they had to play 3 tough teams to win a title vs some other teams that clearly did not. With 5 upper tier teams and 3 happy to be there teams there are clear losers in the seeding system. And those losers will never be the metro favorites because the vote is so metro biased. That's just a fact. That said, it's a good system. It's unfair to some schools, but not so unfair that I would call it a bad system.

Teams being upset doesn't mean that seeding failed.

The biggest issue, in my opinion, is that only 5 teams are seeded. I understand the idea of not wanting to hurt feelings and all, but they should go to at least 6 instead of just 5, or even do all 8.
Like it or not, there are more high quality teams in the metro and it is easier for metro teams to play more of them. But that doesn't mean there is favoritism.
If Rapids had beaten EP, Wayzata and Bemidji in the regular season, they're likely the 1 or 2 seed at state. But they didn't.
Bemidji lost to Moorhead and Cloquet, tied Rapids and EGF and beat Hermantown 4-2 and Hill 6-2. I find it hard to rank them much higher here. Beat Cloquet and Moorhead and this may be different.

I want to agree here, but it really all depends on the year. Maybe seeding the top 2 is the way to go. Maybe seeding all. Maybe seeding 6. Based on what we've seen since the seedings have been initiated is that (unlike this year) they don't mean a whole bunch. Surely you wouldn't want Hermantown and Breck playing in the first round this year, and surely you wouldn't have wanted Edina and Lakeville North playing in the first round last year. I think EVERYONE gets that. Then there are years like this year. The #1 team didn't even have 20 wins, and the teams from out of the metro (or even certain circles of the metro) get the shaft because of their conferences, schedules, travel distance, etc.

I like it the way it is. Rewards the top teams for having a great year. Helps the fans by giving the best odds of the best teams reaching the semi's. And it assures the 4 and 5 seeds battling it out for the right to advance.

goldy313 wrote:[
Fwiw a team that finished 4th in a 5 team conference was seeded #1.

Well, there was one or two upsets in section play.

I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy, but I don't think that TV would allow for a 1 vs. 8 game every year.

Every year there is some legitimate debate about this team or that team being seeded too high or too low, usually by about two positions. But I don't recall a situation where there is squawking about 1 that should be 4 or a 5 should be 2. Has there been an unseeded team that should have been 1, 2, or 3? Has there been a 1, 2, or 3 that should have gone unseeded?

Seeding to 5 means that the 1 doesn't play the team that would have been 5 (had the seeding gone just to 4) while 2 plays the weakest team, which happened once.

No system is perfect. But seeding beats a random draw or a set rotation, which is what we had before. You young whipper snappers will learn in time that you don't risk a pretty good situation in order to get a perfect situation. It's called "overreach".

Not really related to seeding but.....
Enrolments by MSHSL:
1-Wayzata 3078
3-Eden Prairie 2777
5-Stillwater 2558
9-Burnsville 2162
12-Anoka 2043
23-Farmington 1723
66-Bemidji 1167
80-Grand Rapids 1014

Are you surprised mega schools dominate HS sports?