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If your team is in the state championship game, would you rather outshoot your opponent by 35 shots or win the big game?

I would much rather out shoot the opponent! Who cares about winning the state tournament?

Gee....

kniven wrote:If your team is in the state championship game, would you rather outshoot your opponent by 35 shots or win the big game?

Cmon, Knivsy. The name of the champion goes on the trophy and in the record books. Nobody, except the losing club, remembers that they outshot the state champs. Hell, even FSN North failed to mention the controversial non-goal call by East when they did the feature on the classic 5 OT thriller from '96.

mulefarm wrote:I would much rather out shoot the opponent! Who cares about winning the state tournament?

I get a kick out of fans that post on twitter or elsewhere that we lost but we outshot them! Blah, blah, blah. CEC got their asses kicked by Superior.....who recently beat Proctor 1-0. Cloquet still has a long way to go, but the season is young. Outshot by 45 against East but ended in a tie game.

mnmouth wrote:

kniven wrote:If your team is in the state championship game, would you rather outshoot your opponent by 35 shots or win the big game?

Cmon, Knivsy. The name of the champion goes on the trophy and in the record books. Nobody, except the losing club, remembers that they outshot the state champs. Hell, even FSN North failed to mention the controversial non-goal call by East when they did the feature on the classic 5 OT thriller from '96.

I totally agree mnmouth. But there are many fans out there who think.....”we’ll we lost the game, but we outshot them by 50”.

kniven wrote:Cloquet still has a long way to go, but the season is young. Outshot by 45 against East but ended in a tie game.

What does this have to do with Cloquet?

kniven wrote:I totally agree mnmouth. But there are many fans out there who think.....”we’ll we lost the game, but we outshot them by 50”.

Of course. Shots are a proxy for whether or not a team could get out of their own end and apply pressure. It is possible to win a game now and then when outshot badly, but hardly a recipe for success to win long term against good teams.

The Top 10 teams entering Section play will not routinely get outshot. Their task in the postseason is making sure they don't lose a game to a team that needs a magical night to pull the upset.

O-townClown wrote:

kniven wrote:I totally agree mnmouth. But there are many fans out there who think.....”we’ll we lost the game, but we outshot them by 50”.

Of course. Shots are a proxy for whether or not a team could get out of their own end and apply pressure. It is possible to win a game now and then when outshot badly, but hardly a recipe for success to win long term against good teams.

The Top 10 teams entering Section play will not routinely get outshot. Their task in the postseason is making sure they don't lose a game to a team that needs a magical night to pull the upset.

You win as a team and loose as a team. Isn’t that what we tell the kids. Quality scoring chances vs. random shots towards the net. Is it the goalies job only to win the game or the entire teams. You loose a game but your SOG advantage was 40 in the game? That’s a big team problem not a goalie problem.

O-townClown wrote:

kniven wrote:I totally agree mnmouth. But there are many fans out there who think.....”we’ll we lost the game, but we outshot them by 50”.

Of course. Shots are a proxy for whether or not a team could get out of their own end and apply pressure. It is possible to win a game now and then when outshot badly, but hardly a recipe for success to win long term against good teams.

The Top 10 teams entering Section play will not routinely get outshot. Their task in the postseason is making sure they don't lose a game to a team that needs a magical night to pull the upset.

O-townClown‘s logic and explanation are excellent. At its core, hockey can be a very random game with weird puck bounces, variable goalie play, penalties, and odd-man rushes. In a single game situation, a team can dominate play completely, yet still lose due to random factors. But throughout a full season, this randomness should even out, and teams that consistently outshoot their opponents by a wide margin should win more often than not.

Sure, quality scoring chances and other metrics like Corsi may be better stats in many respects, but we don’t really have this information at the high school level. So shot differential is typically the best proxy we have for estimating game flow.

Knife, have you missed taking your meds this past week?

Merry Christmas!

blueblood wrote:Knife, have you missed taking your meds this past week?

Merry Christmas!

Na. Just making interesting conversation! This forum gets pretty boring at times so I’m stirring the pot some ....

kniven wrote:

blueblood wrote:Knife, have you missed taking your meds this past week?

Merry Christmas!

Na. Just making interesting conversation! This forum gets pretty boring at times so I’m stirring the pot some ....

How did a Jacks team that just beat MH...lose to Superior?

hockey59 wrote: How did a Jacks team that just beat MH...lose to Superior?

They were......Superior?

Yeah I hear ya there ‘Jack’ Knife. Ever since sat81 got banned from Forum, it has been pretty tame.

Keep mixing it up and stirring the pot me boy.

hockey59 wrote:

kniven wrote:

blueblood wrote:Knife, have you missed taking your meds this past week?

Merry Christmas!

Na. Just making interesting conversation! This forum gets pretty boring at times so I’m stirring the pot some ....

How did a Jacks team that just beat MH...lose to Superior?

I know. Isn’t it cool! Tied DEasr too

Merry Christmas Kniven. Love your posts. Don’t ever change brother

wolfman wrote:Merry Christmas Kniven. Love your posts. Don’t ever change brother

Thanks Wolfman! Merry Christmas to you as well

kniven wrote:

wolfman wrote:Merry Christmas Kniven. Love your posts. Don’t ever change brother

Thanks Wolfman! Merry Christmas to you as well

You had me going for awhile Kniven. Merry Christmas to you.

grindiangrad-80 wrote:

kniven wrote:

wolfman wrote:Merry Christmas Kniven. Love your posts. Don’t ever change brother

Thanks Wolfman! Merry Christmas to you as well

You had me going for awhile Kniven. Merry Christmas to you.

Thank you indiangrad. I really admire your dedication the the team in orange.....never change

I will be making the trek over to Duluth for semi final Saturday. Could be the best one ever. My team probably wont be in it but it should be a memorable day.

grindiangrad-80 wrote:I will be making the trek over to Duluth for semi final Saturday. Could be the best one ever. My team prob

ably wont be in it but it should be a memorable day.

Excellent!