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There seems to be a number of self-proclaimed experts in regard to high school hockey in Minnesota. Therefore I would like to issue a challenge, a contest of sorts to see how many of you are willing to put your reputation on the line.<br><br>I would like to see you put together a draft list for the USHL draft coming up on May 12, 2005. I know that many of you have dreamed the dream of being an ordained expert, so here is your chance.<br><br>Contest Rules.<br><br>1.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Draft a list of thirty players from the state of Minnesota and rate them 1-30 (1 being the highest player selected and so on). The winner will be declared by having the highest percentage of players from their list being selected in the draft with in the first 30 Minnesota High School Players selected. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">YOU ARE NOT LIMITED TO SENIORS IN HIGH SCHOOL.</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>2.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp As a tiebreaker come up with a list of the first 11 players taken in the first round. This list can include players from high school, junior A, junior B, AAA Midget, etc from across North America (US and Canada). The highest percentage of players taken will win, and if needed the order that they are selected. <br><br><br>3.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Deadline for entries will be 12:00 AM May 11th, 2005<br><br><br>I will put up $20 hard cash to the winner. I will email the winner and post the top 5 prognosticators. Good Luck.<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

I'd like to think that I know some about the senior/junior class of hockey players, but to list the top 30 Minnesotans taken in the draft is next to impossible. I know the criteria for being a USHL draft pick isnt much, but come on, 30 kids? The mathmatical odds of even getting half of those correct must be in the millions.<br>I'm sure if you change the # from 30 to like 10, somebody may get 5 or 6 correct.<br><br>But it is your contest. <p></p><i></i>

I will partake. It will take a while to put together the list but I would think that everyone will fair better then Triple Deke expects.<br><br>The most difficult part will be finding out who is already on a roster and who isn't.<br><br>Good idea! <p></p><i></i>

most of the top players that would be selected out of minnesota have already played in the ushl oshie, lee, vandelvelde, hardwick, fisher, pilot, conley, ambroz...lucia and some others i might be forgetting about who have played in ten or more games in the ushl <p></p><i></i>

Those guys will be on the protected list, and shouldn't be drafted, unless they were released by their team. You'll probably find several juniors (currently) on the draft list, and perhaps a couple of sophomores if they have shown an interest in playing next season with the team. By now, most of the underclassmen know if they're on the draft list or not as I don't believe a team will waste a draft choice on someone who doesn't plan to play for them next fall. The USHL team will wait and draft those kids on the "futures draft" and hold their rights through the season, assuming that the kid will play at the end of the season.<br><br>This is a great contest, but alas I feel that I don't have enough knowledge of the kids to pick any. GOOD LUCK to those who try, my hat is off to you..<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

Good idea!<br><br>I am going to take a shot at this one, but the tie breaker will be tough. I do not have a clue about the outstate players. <p></p><i></i>

Shutout,<br>I just read Blades of Glory. One heck of a book. I have to say that is one very good hockey book for anyone out there who has yet to pick it up please do so. I learned a lot about todays athlete in that book and how things have changed. Like him or hate I have much respect for Coach Saterdalen and what he has done for developing young men and time and sacrifice he put in to developing Bloomington Jefferson hockey. As well the book solidified my reasons for not favoring the private school "all stars". I am not against private schools by any means but in todays society the perception is spot on by most observers on just how talent seems to find their way to some schools. Shutout you may already have expressed it but what is your take on the book? <p></p><i></i>

JLS81: I did straighten out a few of the private school loudmouths on this topic in an earlier thread regarding the book, but i will cover it again for you.<br><br>I loved the book also, but I knew all of the characters so I always like to get an objective viewpoint like yours. <br><br>The book was pretty close to factual about my experience with the Jefferson program. I thought they made way too much of two points.<br><br>1. The cutting of kids is very tough for any coach, I know that all coaches get their insides torn out the week of tryouts and Sats is no different. If you want to be a top program you are going to have good players that do not make the team and that is the good and bad of a top program.<br><br>2. The pills they were taking were bought at GNC and were legal at the time ( later found to be dangerous) and unfortunatly were being used widespread at that time by many athletes in all sports and not isolated to Jefferson.<br><br><br>The rest of the book I think was very typical about the pressures and experiences that kids have in high profile sports programs in Minnesota. Sats built the Jefferson program from nothing and the success that you have comes at a price sometimes. <br><br>The one thing that several Jefferson hockey players told my son was " the game becomes more like a job after High School so enjoy it" I take that as they had a very good experience in High School.<br><br>I am glad you enjoyed the book, I did also!<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

Shutout,<br>I agree on your 2 points as the writer leaves this impression on the reader. That the kids are taking an "illegal" or banned substance and that they are using something to enhance their performance and the coach is enabling by "turning the other cheek". I am reading the book once again to see if I come away with that same impression. <br>Cutting kids: the writer in my opinion goes too in depth on this subject and alludes to some trajedies occuring which originate from the pressure of hockey, that is an opinion and not 100%. Objectively one can say that there is major dissapointment but to take extreme measures on your life would warrant deeper problems in my opinion. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

shutout and jls. thanks for the feedback on the jefferson book. trying to rent the blades of glory book from our friendly library (plymouth) is becoming frustrating...the 10 copies are always checked out. i may have to buy the darn book from amazon. <p></p><i></i>

Back to the Draft contest. Are you allowing Shattuck players in your contest? <p><!--EZCODE MAIL START--><a href="mailto:the_official_hockeyboy@hotmail.com"> the_official_hockeyboy@hotmail.com</a><!--EZCODE MAIL END--></p><i></i>

Yes, all players currently playing in the US, AAA, Prep, High School, Jr. A tier II, Jr. B, etc.<br><br>uhp <p></p><i></i>

Are you considering Shattuck players as MN high school kids? <p><!--EZCODE MAIL START--><a href="mailto:the_official_hockeyboy@hotmail.com"> the_official_hockeyboy@hotmail.com</a><!--EZCODE MAIL END--></p><i></i>

NO, they would be considered AAA Midget players, that is the national championship that they won.<br><br>UHP <p></p><i></i>

When is the draft?? <p></p><i></i>

A week from tomorrow. You can follow it at <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.ushl.com/" target="top">USHL</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. Good luck to Shea. <p></p><i></i>

Are you getting a lot of people participating in this contest. <br><br>Will you post some to the results here so folks can see?<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

Should we post ourlist here or send them to you. Likely to send them in huh. I finally got time to put it together and will post mine on Thursday right before the draft begins at 10:00am. I'm pretty excited. Any guess on the first overall pick? <p></p><i></i>

There has been some mild interest.<br><br>I will post the winning selections. <br><br>If people are nervous about posting them they can email them to me.<br><br>usahockeypuck@yahoo.com<br><br>Good Luck to All<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

I'd like to see a couple lists after the draft has started, I'm not too familiar with many Minnesota kids, only know of a few, and most aren't eligible to be drafted anyways. Good luck to those who gave it a shot, may the best guesser win <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

The following is my list of the thirty players who I feel have a chance of getting drafted this year into tommorows USHL Draft. Putting together the list was very difficult and there are certainly more kids who will get drafted that I don't have on my list. Please realize, I am not affiliated with the USHL and this is in a random order. <br><br>Eric Olimb - Warroad<br>Alex Kangas – Rochester Century<br>Ryan Guentzel – Hill-Murray<br>Dan Sinn - Blaine<br>David Fischer – Apple Valley<br>Matt Godlewski – Elk River<br>Andrew Conboy - Rosemount<br>Chris Connolly – Duluth Marshall<br>Scott Kozlack – Duluth Marshall<br>Mike Montgomery - Centennial <br>Travis Vermuelen - Centennial<br>Mitch Ryan - Cloquet<br>Patrick Fogarty – Forest Lake<br>Brett Barta - Moorhead<br>Shea Walters - Hibbing<br>Josh Brodeen – Warroad<br>Carl Sneep - Brainard<br>Matt Overman – Bloomington Jefferson<br>Brian Schack - Totino-Grace<br>Cory Loos – Moorhead<br>Ben Youds - Maple Grove<br>Derek McCallum – Hill-Murray<br>Isak Tranvik – Benilde-St.Margaret’s<br>Matt Wanvig - Osses<br>Jay Barriball – Holy Angels <br>Aaron Gens – Lake of the Woods<br>David Grun – White Bear Lake<br>Tyler Matson – Holy Angels<br>Andy Inderieden – Breck<br>Josh Bergren - Centennial<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... rhockey</A> at: 5/11/05 11:39 pm<br></i>

RJ Anderson&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Centennial<br>Jay Barriball&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Holy Angels<br>Matt Godlewski&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Elk River<br>Shea Walters&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Hibbing<br>Mitch Ryan&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Cloquet<br>Nate Breden&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp JR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Silver Bay<br>Alec Holen&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Thief River<br>Nick Follmer&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp JR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp St Paul Como<br>Mike Montgomery&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Centennial<br>Carl Sneep&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp JR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Brainerd<br>Joey Miller&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp JR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Wayzata<br>Spencer Duetz&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp G&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Moorhead<br>Drake Herd&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp JR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Breck<br>Eric Olimb&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Warroad<br>Steve Festler&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Little Falls<br>Jesse Downey&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Silver Bay<br>David Grunn&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp JR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp White Bear Lake<br>Klye Follmer&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp JR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp St Paul Como<br>CJ Willms&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp JR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp N St Paul<br>David Fischer&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp JR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Apple Valley<br>Luke Taintor&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp JR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Silver Bay<br>Chris Meyers&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Eden Prairie<br>Eric Morrow&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Hill Murry<br>Mikael Lickteig&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Little Falls<br>Dave Noring&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp G&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Totino Grace<br>Dan Sexton&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Apple Valley<br>Scott Kozlak&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Duluth Marshall<br>Ben Bengston&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Warroad<br>Brennan Poderzay&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp G&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Hibbibg<br>Quinn Ellingson&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Albert Lea<br><br><br>Nick Petricki&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp CD Selects<br>RJ Anderson&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SR&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Centennial<br>Angelo Esposito&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Shattuck<br>John Kemp&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp LA AAA<br>Billy Blasé&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp G&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp NTDP<br>Chris Cahill&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Phillips Andover<br>Keith Yandel&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Boston Jr Bruins EJHL<br>Brian Foster&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp G&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp EJHL<br>Jay Barriball&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Holy Angels<br>Jake Manto&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp D&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Grand Forks<br>Chay Genoway&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp F&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Shattuck<br> <p><!--EZCODE MAIL START--><a href="mailto:the_official_hockeyboy@hotmail.com"> the_official_hockeyboy@hotmail.com</a><!--EZCODE MAIL END--></p><i></i>

Is Matt Lundin thinking of leaving U of Maine???I know they are bringing in another goalie "Ben Bishop" from one of the NAHL teams this year and now he is taken in the 1st round of the USHL draft anyone know anything? <p></p><i></i>

loos and barta and cory johnson going first round from moorhead <p></p><i></i>

actually they are almost done with the 2nd round and as of right now none of the moorhead players have been taken <p></p><i></i>