Roseau
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:00 pm
I heard via the grapevine that many of the folks up in Roseau would like to see the Rams move to Single A.
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Man is that sad newsjdh wrote:I heard via the grapevine that many of the folks up in Roseau would like to see the Rams move to Single A.
The economy isn't the problem. The ever increasing cost of hockey is.grindiangrad-80 wrote:One of the Roseau posters had a good post on the Hermantown thread. He said that hockey success is cyclical and I agree with him. Just because a team has a great run for a few years doesn't mean it will last forever. The Rams will have their ups and downs but as long as the economy in that area remains stable they will be fine. The decline in the hockey success on The Range is directly related to the mines. Totally different circumstance than up on the border.
Look at Greenway for example. They were a power in the one class era. They produced some of the all time greats in Minnesota history. Then they hit a stretch of tough times and there was even talk of the program not continuing. Then they got things rolling again and now are not just competitive but are very good. It would be interesting to know what may have happened in St. Paul if they could have got past Hermantown. IMHO the Raiders would have been a tough out in 7AA.
I guess my point is that there will be be ebbs and flows but I would bet my right nut that Roseau will be back at the X in the future and conversations like this will be forgotten.
Just my 2 cents.
Isn't that the truth. Cost is ridiculous this day in age. Keeps so many good athletes completely out of the sport. Especially up north.zamboniexhaustinhaler wrote:The economy isn't the problem. The ever increasing cost of hockey is.grindiangrad-80 wrote:One of the Roseau posters had a good post on the Hermantown thread. He said that hockey success is cyclical and I agree with him. Just because a team has a great run for a few years doesn't mean it will last forever. The Rams will have their ups and downs but as long as the economy in that area remains stable they will be fine. The decline in the hockey success on The Range is directly related to the mines. Totally different circumstance than up on the border.
Look at Greenway for example. They were a power in the one class era. They produced some of the all time greats in Minnesota history. Then they hit a stretch of tough times and there was even talk of the program not continuing. Then they got things rolling again and now are not just competitive but are very good. It would be interesting to know what may have happened in St. Paul if they could have got past Hermantown. IMHO the Raiders would have been a tough out in 7AA.
I guess my point is that there will be be ebbs and flows but I would bet my right nut that Roseau will be back at the X in the future and conversations like this will be forgotten.
Just my 2 cents.
zamboniexhaustinhaler wrote:The economy isn't the problem. The ever increasing cost of hockey is.grindiangrad-80 wrote:One of the Roseau posters had a good post on the Hermantown thread. He said that hockey success is cyclical and I agree with him. Just because a team has a great run for a few years doesn't mean it will last forever. The Rams will have their ups and downs but as long as the economy in that area remains stable they will be fine. The decline in the hockey success on The Range is directly related to the mines. Totally different circumstance than up on the border.
Look at Greenway for example. They were a power in the one class era. They produced some of the all time greats in Minnesota history. Then they hit a stretch of tough times and there was even talk of the program not continuing. Then they got things rolling again and now are not just competitive but are very good. It would be interesting to know what may have happened in St. Paul if they could have got past Hermantown. IMHO the Raiders would have been a tough out in 7AA.
I guess my point is that there will be be ebbs and flows but I would bet my right nut that Roseau will be back at the X in the future and conversations like this will be forgotten.
Just my 2 cents.
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I agree that it is a factor but I feel that Roseau will always find a way to overcome that.
I totally agreemulefarm wrote:In all honesty, they probably should.
No, not just in the North.....Minneapolis is a prime example......not that Austin was ever a hockey "power" but in Austin they have become, more truthfully, reemerged on the talents of Sudanese kids a basketball power. The Sudanese aren't a traditional basketball society but basketball attracted these kids. Hockey needs to figure out why, and how to attract these athletes. Or it is doomed to be a fringe sport like figure skating.... top talent but a low base.northwoods oldtimer wrote:Isn't that the truth. Cost is ridiculous this day in age. Keeps so many good athletes completely out of the sport. Especially up north.zamboniexhaustinhaler wrote:The economy isn't the problem. The ever increasing cost of hockey is.grindiangrad-80 wrote:One of the Roseau posters had a good post on the Hermantown thread. He said that hockey success is cyclical and I agree with him. Just because a team has a great run for a few years doesn't mean it will last forever. The Rams will have their ups and downs but as long as the economy in that area remains stable they will be fine. The decline in the hockey success on The Range is directly related to the mines. Totally different circumstance than up on the border.
Look at Greenway for example. They were a power in the one class era. They produced some of the all time greats in Minnesota history. Then they hit a stretch of tough times and there was even talk of the program not continuing. Then they got things rolling again and now are not just competitive but are very good. It would be interesting to know what may have happened in St. Paul if they could have got past Hermantown. IMHO the Raiders would have been a tough out in 7AA.
I guess my point is that there will be be ebbs and flows but I would bet my right nut that Roseau will be back at the X in the future and conversations like this will be forgotten.
Just my 2 cents.
Agreed. And this applies to most every town in the area. I've also notice a just plain growing lack of interest in hockey for various reasons in the area; cost and your points being some of them.7TIMECHAMPS wrote:Just my thoughts here being relatively close to the situation. My guess is Roseau will be A within 5 years. A few different factors contribute to this. Numbers are down. My guess is high school enrollment is down 25% or so from 10 years ago. Also, the trend of players leaving hurts Roseau more than other programs because of the limititation of depth. There are only so many athletes in a class of 40 boys. The last one that a lot of people don’t talk about around here is that we lost our coaching consistency at the youth level. Dick Johnson coached PeeWees for decades(I want to say 40 years). Is it a coincidence that we have sent one peewee team to state since 06?( I want to say his last year as head coach was 05). Replace that with parent coaches(some of which only care about their kid and then pull that kid from the program). These stats may not be exact but if not they’re very close. Add them all up and you can see why they don’t have teams that they did. That being said they will still have a team that is competitive most night in AA for a while. But the days of regular tourney trips and state championships are in the rear view mirror. If they come again it will be some time from now.
All thanks to progressives sitting in the capital and lutheran social services.goldy313 wrote:No, not just in the North.....Minneapolis is a prime example......not that Austin was ever a hockey "power" but in Austin they have become, more truthfully, reemerged on the talents of Sudanese kids a basketball power. The Sudanese aren't a traditional basketball society but basketball attracted these kids. Hockey needs to figure out why, and how to attract these athletes. Or it is doomed to be a fringe sport like figure skating.... top talent but a low base.northwoods oldtimer wrote:Isn't that the truth. Cost is ridiculous this day in age. Keeps so many good athletes completely out of the sport. Especially up north.zamboniexhaustinhaler wrote: The economy isn't the problem. The ever increasing cost of hockey is.
As a state we are no longer getting immigrants from Nordic countries. The sooner hockey comes to grips with this the better.
Unfortunately this is true for almost all sports, not just hockey.grindiangrad-80 wrote:Isn't that the truth. Cost is ridiculous this day in age. Keeps so many good athletes completely out of the sport. Especially up north.
That is a nationwide situation in every sport. In my opinion, parent involvement in all sports has created a totally different dynamic. In the old days, kids just showed up and played without much fanfare. Any kid that was interested was involved regardless of his family's financial situation. By the time they got to high school age there was a pretty big pool of kids to make a varsity team.
Now, the parent coaches are picking the teams at the grade school level in many cases. That is fine for the high end talent, they would be there under any circumstance, but the late bloomer kids are long gone by this time. Looking back, most of the great teams had kids on the team who wouldn't be there in todays situation. JMO.
Not only in the North.....northwoods oldtimer wrote:Man is that sad newsjdh wrote:I heard via the grapevine that many of the folks up in Roseau would like to see the Rams move to Single A.
Hockey in the north is DYING
That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day and I've been up since 4:30.northwoods oldtimer wrote:All thanks to progressives sitting in the capital and lutheran social services.goldy313 wrote:No, not just in the North.....Minneapolis is a prime example......not that Austin was ever a hockey "power" but in Austin they have become, more truthfully, reemerged on the talents of Sudanese kids a basketball power. The Sudanese aren't a traditional basketball society but basketball attracted these kids. Hockey needs to figure out why, and how to attract these athletes. Or it is doomed to be a fringe sport like figure skating.... top talent but a low base.northwoods oldtimer wrote: Isn't that the truth. Cost is ridiculous this day in age. Keeps so many good athletes completely out of the sport. Especially up north.
As a state we are no longer getting immigrants from Nordic countries. The sooner hockey comes to grips with this the better.
This is right on point. The current situation favors those programs/communities that can pull in larger numbers and have more access to resources and development.zooomx wrote:I don't think hockey is dying up north. Part of the issue is hockey is getting so much stronger in many areas. Hard for Roseau with a max of 2 teams at each level to compete with teams that have 3-5 teams at each level. Grand Rapids, Duluth, Hermantown, Moorhead, etc are all doing fine, but the smaller towns struggle. You can no longer have success with 3-4 really strong players and 10-12 good, but not great players. They are competing with much deeper teams.
Roseau probably should go A, in which they compete with other teams that don't have the depth they run up against in AA.
The advantage Northern teams have had in the past is the amount of outdoor ice in which their players could go out and play for FUN, getting more ice touches and developing the creativity on ice that many other communities can't. It is difficult for many towns to compete with the year round AAA, and off ice training facilities you see in the metro and other large Minnesota towns. If it were me, and I was up north, I would encourage youth skaters to play tons of pond hockey (which is not expensive at all). Trying to play year round hockey up north is what is making it expensive. It's doable to compete, but it's more of an uphill battle than what schools in the metro see with their numbers, their access to training facilities, and the reduced travel costs of being around so many other quality teams.
goldy313 wrote: There is a Minnesota high school kid who is a true Sophomore in the NCAA tournament who is 24, that means he was 22 in high school......
Thanks, forgot to add Catholic charitiesEast Side Pioneer Guy wrote:That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day and I've been up since 4:30.northwoods oldtimer wrote:All thanks to progressives sitting in the capital and lutheran social services.goldy313 wrote: No, not just in the North.....Minneapolis is a prime example......not that Austin was ever a hockey "power" but in Austin they have become, more truthfully, reemerged on the talents of Sudanese kids a basketball power. The Sudanese aren't a traditional basketball society but basketball attracted these kids. Hockey needs to figure out why, and how to attract these athletes. Or it is doomed to be a fringe sport like figure skating.... top talent but a low base.
As a state we are no longer getting immigrants from Nordic countries. The sooner hockey comes to grips with this the better.