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I was only referencing the chatter on this board, that some should/could move up. Also saw a mention that maybe a few should move down. I have no insight into any school actually moving. I know Monti booted their co-op with Annandale so they could remain in A. I also know that Coon Rapids was allowed to opt down in football, but only for a limited time...can that even be done in hockey?
I believe enrollment numbers for classification purposes are adjusted according to how many kids in the school are on reduced or free lunch. Also, I think that they adjusted co-op enrollment as well?
Yes, they are adjusted for the number of kids on free and reduced lunches, based on the premise that a kid on a free or reduced lunch program is less likely to play sports due to economics. Not sure how the Special Education population figures into the whole equation.zooomx wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:58 amI believe enrollment numbers for classification purposes are adjusted according to how many kids in the school are on reduced or free lunch. Also, I think that they adjusted co-op enrollment as well?
Henry Sibley is right at the dividing line between A and AA. It is the largest A school at 1190 enrollment. The Minneapolis and St. Paul co-ops are allowed to opt down to A under a bylaw that permits schools to appeal their classification. One of the primary criteria is the percentage of students in the free and reduced lunch program, of which these co-ops have a high number.
Mound and Marshall opt down as well. The Dodge County thing is a mystery to me too. They have a good crew coming up, and section 1AA is the most make-able section for them, but they could make a serious run in 3 or 4 years in class A.goldy313 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:25 pm You can appeal your classification. Minnesota a River was initially assigned to the same section as New Prague and Eden Prairie. Minneapolis was assigned to an AA section. The appeal process is not defined by the MSHSL.....why can MN River, Minneapolis, and New Ulm opt down but Dodge County can’t?.
The system needs to be better defined.
I don’t think either school was actually an opt-down for the 2017-19 cycle. Here are the enrollment numbers...ThatMNHockeyGuy62 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:15 amMound and Marshall opt down as well. The Dodge County thing is a mystery to me too. They have a good crew coming up, and section 1AA is the most make-able section for them, but they could make a serious run in 3 or 4 years in class A.goldy313 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:25 pm You can appeal your classification. Minnesota a River was initially assigned to the same section as New Prague and Eden Prairie. Minneapolis was assigned to an AA section. The appeal process is not defined by the MSHSL.....why can MN River, Minneapolis, and New Ulm opt down but Dodge County can’t?.
The system needs to be better defined.
Dodge County's total enrollment among their seven high schools is 2436. Not sure how this gets reduced for class determination, but they would appear to be way over the A threshold.ThatMNHockeyGuy62 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:15 amMound and Marshall opt down as well. The Dodge County thing is a mystery to me too. They have a good crew coming up, and section 1AA is the most make-able section for them, but they could make a serious run in 3 or 4 years in class A.goldy313 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:25 pm You can appeal your classification. Minnesota a River was initially assigned to the same section as New Prague and Eden Prairie. Minneapolis was assigned to an AA section. The appeal process is not defined by the MSHSL.....why can MN River, Minneapolis, and New Ulm opt down but Dodge County can’t?.
The system needs to be better defined.
Correct. Sorry, didn’t want to get into the full explanation of it but they did adjust their coops. That must not be possible for Dodge County?Stang5280 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:40 pm
I included the full enrollment of each school in the co-op, since I'm not sure whether a reduction applies to cooperative agreements. In any event, both are comfortably below the A/AA cutoff. I do recall Marshall originally being assigned to 1AA when the sectional assignments were released in 2017, but I believe they adjusted their co-op situation to get back below the enrollment cutoff. The same is likely true for Mound Westonka.
They are, but so is Minneapolis. I guess perhaps the better question is why were they allowed to opt down 6 years ago? I know free-reduced lunch numbers are calculated in, but I believe MPLS is still way above the threshold.Corn Cobb wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:05 pmDodge County's total enrollment among their seven high schools is 2436. Not sure how this gets reduced for class determination, but they would appear to be way over the A threshold.ThatMNHockeyGuy62 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:15 amMound and Marshall opt down as well. The Dodge County thing is a mystery to me too. They have a good crew coming up, and section 1AA is the most make-able section for them, but they could make a serious run in 3 or 4 years in class A.goldy313 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:25 pm You can appeal your classification. Minnesota a River was initially assigned to the same section as New Prague and Eden Prairie. Minneapolis was assigned to an AA section. The appeal process is not defined by the MSHSL.....why can MN River, Minneapolis, and New Ulm opt down but Dodge County can’t?.
The system needs to be better defined.
Did anyone care until their state tournament appearance last year? Those communities are all small towns with no tradition of hockey success. You also need to look at the participation numbers in a large cooperative arrangement like MN River. Some of those high schools are only placing a few kids on the team, and the cooperative is more about allowing them to have somewhere to play, even if it inflates the total enrollment figure. I don’t see the point of getting bent out of shape about MN River being in Class A.
Agree, good for them that they are growing a program and it doesn't seem to be too out of line to allow them a chance to get established.Stang5280 wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:46 pmDid anyone care until their state tournament appearance last year? Those communities are all small towns with no tradition of hockey success. You also need to look at the participation numbers in a large cooperative arrangement like MN River. Some of those high schools are only placing a few kids on the team, and the cooperative is more about allowing them to have somewhere to play, even if it inflates the total enrollment figure. I don’t see the point of getting bent out of shape about MN River being in Class A.