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No.SEC Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:15 pm Is there a team that can unseat the Pioneers? Stillwater will be solid and White Bear will be down this year. Is there anyone else that will make some noise?
Not as easy as it sounds though Westy. A few things to keep in mind if (when) the MSHSL says no state tournament. It will be through MN Hockey or YHH - but: 1) Coaches won't be allowed to coach 2) All coaches and players will need to become USA certified. Not hard for players - but it is an extensive amount of modules for coaches (hours worth). 3) Do we really think schools are going to allow outstate teams to travel and stay in hotels for 3-4 days? Not a chance.
1) It's not about the coaches, it's about the players and many HS would probably rejoice if it were someone else on the bench other than their current coachBP wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:28 amNot as easy as it sounds though Westy. A few things to keep in mind if (when) the MSHSL says no state tournament. It will be through MN Hockey or YHH - but: 1) Coaches won't be allowed to coach 2) All coaches and players will need to become USA certified. Not hard for players - but it is an extensive amount of modules for coaches (hours worth). 3) Do we really think schools are going to allow outstate teams to travel and stay in hotels for 3-4 days? Not a chance.
Through YHH? I don't foresee that happening.BP wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:28 amNot as easy as it sounds though Westy. A few things to keep in mind if (when) the MSHSL says no state tournament. It will be through MN Hockey or YHH - but: 1) Coaches won't be allowed to coach 2) All coaches and players will need to become USA certified. Not hard for players - but it is an extensive amount of modules for coaches (hours worth). 3) Do we really think schools are going to allow outstate teams to travel and stay in hotels for 3-4 days? Not a chance.
Not as easy as it sounds though Westy. A few things to keep in mind if (when) the MSHSL says no state tournament. It will be through MN Hockey or YHH - but: 1) Coaches won't be allowed to coach 2) All coaches and players will need to become USA certified. Not hard for players - but it is an extensive amount of modules for coaches (hours worth). 3) Do we really think schools are going to allow outstate teams to travel and stay in hotels for 3-4 days? Not a chance.BP wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:28 am [quote=WestMetro post_id=751002 time=<a href="tel:1602651318">1602651318</a> user_id=22850]
Spar- figuring by time March rolls around , Mshsl will cave and allow a state trny , albeit with limited or no fans . Or else Minn Hockey will sponser a “State Trny” of same 8 teams after Mshsl sections
Agree not easy , lots of details to be worked out . But not impossible? Just saying, Pio parents said they want a tourney and a shot at back to back .WestMetro wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:58 pmNot as easy as it sounds though Westy. A few things to keep in mind if (when) the MSHSL says no state tournament. It will be through MN Hockey or YHH - but: 1) Coaches won't be allowed to coach 2) All coaches and players will need to become USA certified. Not hard for players - but it is an extensive amount of modules for coaches (hours worth). 3) Do we really think schools are going to allow outstate teams to travel and stay in hotels for 3-4 days? Not a chance.BP wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:28 am [quote=WestMetro post_id=751002 time=<a href="tel:1602651318">1602651318</a> user_id=22850]
Spar- figuring by time March rolls around , Mshsl will cave and allow a state trny , albeit with limited or no fans . Or else Minn Hockey will sponser a “State Trny” of same 8 teams after Mshsl sections
I don’t see Stillwater winning out. They’ve got another date with both WB & Cretin. They also have 2 games against Flake. They lose two of those 4 games and go into sections with 3 losses, maybe more.Sparlimb wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:53 pm So I see a theme going here. What do you do with a Stillwater team that gets to sections with say one loss and a HM team that gets there with 3, and has played a much harder schedule. As a Hill fan, I'd much prefer not to have to get by both WBL and Stillwater in consecutive games, but you can make an argument that will need to happen. And to be honest, to win it all you have to beat the best. So no one should really scare you. Granted WBL could be 2-19 on the year and scare me. Will be interest to see this develop over the next several weeks.
I agree with BlueLine. Stillwater won't win out, unless they get really lucky. White Bear Lake is showing improvements since their loss to Stillwater, and I predict they win in the rematch. This is how I predict the section shapes up when all is said and done:BlueLineSpecial wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:31 pmI don’t see Stillwater winning out. They’ve got another date with both WB & Cretin. They also have 2 games against Flake. They lose two of those 4 games and go into sections with 3 losses, maybe more.Sparlimb wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:53 pm So I see a theme going here. What do you do with a Stillwater team that gets to sections with say one loss and a HM team that gets there with 3, and has played a much harder schedule. As a Hill fan, I'd much prefer not to have to get by both WBL and Stillwater in consecutive games, but you can make an argument that will need to happen. And to be honest, to win it all you have to beat the best. So no one should really scare you. Granted WBL could be 2-19 on the year and scare me. Will be interest to see this develop over the next several weeks.
What would make things a bit more interesting is Hill's final record going into sections. They have 4 games remaining against consensus decent to very good teams: Wayzata, Benilde, STA rematch and Blake to end the year. If Hill loses two of those or more and finishes with 4-5 losses, the #1 seed gets a lot more interesting (assuming the wheels don't come off for Stillwater and WBL).stateofhawkey wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:47 amI agree with BlueLine. Stillwater won't win out, unless they get really lucky. White Bear Lake is showing improvements since their loss to Stillwater, and I predict they win in the rematch. This is how I predict the section shapes up when all is said and done:BlueLineSpecial wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:31 pmI don’t see Stillwater winning out. They’ve got another date with both WB & Cretin. They also have 2 games against Flake. They lose two of those 4 games and go into sections with 3 losses, maybe more.Sparlimb wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:53 pm So I see a theme going here. What do you do with a Stillwater team that gets to sections with say one loss and a HM team that gets there with 3, and has played a much harder schedule. As a Hill fan, I'd much prefer not to have to get by both WBL and Stillwater in consecutive games, but you can make an argument that will need to happen. And to be honest, to win it all you have to beat the best. So no one should really scare you. Granted WBL could be 2-19 on the year and scare me. Will be interest to see this develop over the next several weeks.
1. Hill-Murray
2. White Bear Lake
3. Stillwater
4. East Ridge
5. Mounds View
6. Woodbury
7. Roseville
8. Irondale
9. Minnehaha
2 and 3 could obviously be flipped if Stillwater sweeps the season series. The most interesting games to keep an eye on for White Bear Lake are 2/23 vs. Forest Lake, and 3/4 vs. Stillwater. For Stillwater, it's the games BlueLine mentioned.
Stillwater ties Flake last night. Probably felt like a loss, as they were up 2-0 with under 3 minutes left and gave up two goals at the very end of regulation. This tie probably doesn't do much of anything to effect section seedings at the moment. But Stillwater still has 3 more difficult-ish games left and this game should have been a win. A loss in the rematch to WB and a loss in their rematch to CDH and it's highly likely Stillwater and WB will be battling it out for the 2-3 seeds.BlueLineSpecial wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:31 pmI don’t see Stillwater winning out. They’ve got another date with both WB & Cretin. They also have 2 games against Flake. They lose two of those 4 games and go into sections with 3 losses, maybe more.Sparlimb wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:53 pm So I see a theme going here. What do you do with a Stillwater team that gets to sections with say one loss and a HM team that gets there with 3, and has played a much harder schedule. As a Hill fan, I'd much prefer not to have to get by both WBL and Stillwater in consecutive games, but you can make an argument that will need to happen. And to be honest, to win it all you have to beat the best. So no one should really scare you. Granted WBL could be 2-19 on the year and scare me. Will be interest to see this develop over the next several weeks.
Should be interesting down the stretch, the 4AA semi's and final will all have over/under lines of about 3.5BlueLineSpecial wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:37 pm Rough two games for the Ponies. They have some big games ahead - they’ll need a short memory. They still have a slight upper hand on WB based on their head-to-head, but their shot at the #1 seed is all but gone.
Edit: Looks like the Red Knights took it on the chin as well yesterday. There is really no drama in this section, not to diminish the ever present possibility of an upset. (Though WBL can breath more easily now that Johnson is out of the section.)East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:56 pm Huh. Looks like the Ponies got a bit of a beat down today.
At the end of the day, there is rarely any significant difference between being #2 or #3.