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Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:46 am**

Question for those who have been watching the past few seasons - what teams have the potential to make a jump to "relevance" this season? Any programs that have traditionally just been a speed bump on the schedule of the top teams bringing a higher level of compete this year (or in the next couple of years)?

In my opinion (which is almost always wrong) an example would be a team like Rogers. Three or four years ago struggling, now starting to find some success. Who else might be in the midst of a program change?

Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:05 am**

Another school that comes to mind is Shakopee. They’ve been building a good youth program the last several years, and that may start to pay off at the HS level.

Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:14 am**

I'd throw Northern Lakes in here. Before making it to state last year, Northern Lakes had a nice regular season record in 2016-2017 (21-5-1), but had never made it past the section quarters.

Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:49 pm**

Totally agree on Shakopee.

Holy Angels seems to be on the comeback trail with Griswold at the helm.

I think Buffalo will be better than advertised this year. Not a threat to win their section, but no pushover.

Chaska has a chance to make a different type of jump - from a way station for talented players looking to make their next move, to one of the top 10-15 programs in the state.

Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:18 pm**

A couple years ago it was Totino-Grace on this list. Then last season they had some very high profile players. Will be interesting to see what happens now.

Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:15 pm**

Woodbury has some nice talent in the youth pipeline, though H-M likely has or will lay claim to many of the top players.

Watch out for Northfield if they stay below the AA enrollment cutoff.

Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:41 pm**

Can we also discuss teams making a jump from relevance?

Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:07 pm**

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:41 pm Can we also discuss teams making a jump from relevance?

The obvious choice is Duluth East. You could throw Elk River in there as well. Not sure what Burnsville's future holds. Do they have anything in the pipeline or are they destined to go the way of Apple Valley?

Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:34 pm**

Brodziak Fan Club wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:07 pm Not sure what Burnsville's future holds. Do they have anything in the pipeline or are they destined to go the way of Apple Valley?

I was told there were just 22 total that tried out this winter.

Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:02 pm**

I take issue with jumping to relevance a bit….

Rochester Mayo may a jump back to relevance this year. They would have been a factor in 1AA last had Covid not shut them down, at least gaining some playoff experience. The Spartans aren’t a threat to win state or even win a game there but are relevant again in the section for the first time in over a decade. I think (Karl’s hatred aside) they should be a top 25 team.

Posted: **Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:45 am**

goldy313 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:02 pm I take issue with jumping to relevance a bit….

Rochester Mayo may a jump back to relevance this year. They would have been a factor in 1AA last had Covid not shut them down, at least gaining some playoff experience. The Spartans aren’t a threat to win state or even win a game there but are relevant again in the section for the first time in over a decade. I think (Karl’s hatred aside) they should be a top 25 team.

You confuse hatred with indifference

Lee

Posted: **Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:16 pm**

The Lakeville schools, particularly North, don’t have much coming up through the youth pipeline. Not that they face especially difficult competition within 1AA, but their days of competing for state championships appear to be over for the near future.

Blaine’s outlook is pretty grim as well.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:39 am**

North is fading fast, they are the next JohnMarshall or Sibley. As long as they remain in 1AA they should be relevant though. Burnsville, Apple Valley, Eagan etc all went through the same cycle. South still has land to develop so they should remain a power for a few years.

10 years down the road Bethlehem Academy will be a AA hockey program on the rise.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:54 am**

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:41 pm Can we also discuss teams making a jump from relevance?

You mean teams moving towards irrelevance? Yeah, I would put Marshall and Luverne into that category, in terms of 3A. Statewide, I don't think their moves towards irrelevance is relevant although Luverne did generate a lot of discussion a few years ago.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:11 pm**

Teak wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:54 am
East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:41 pm Can we also discuss teams making a jump from relevance?
You mean teams moving towards irrelevance? Yeah, I would put Marshall and Luverne into that category, in terms of 3A. Statewide, I don't think their moves towards irrelevance is relevant although Luverne did generate a lot of discussion a few years ago.

I know this is probably impolitic here, but I find it hard to argue any Class A team has relevance.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:15 pm**

O-townClown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:34 pm
Brodziak Fan Club wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:07 pm Not sure what Burnsville's future holds. Do they have anything in the pipeline or are they destined to go the way of Apple Valley?
I was told there were just 22 total that tried out this winter.

22??? It's not a "tryout" if no one gets cut.

But yeah, that is not good.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:16 pm**

Even the one that beat you a couple years back when you won the title. Good thing that team was single A ha?

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:09 pm**

Chanhassen will be quite good in 2022-23 & 2023-24. Possibly beyond.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:28 pm**

Getitright wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:16 pm Even the one that beat you a couple years back when you won the title. Good thing that team was single A ha?

Yep, even that one.

If they want to be relevant, they need to beat us in the 4AA tournament. We use 4AA championship trophies as bookends. They'd treat it like the Hope Diamond. If they ever, ya know, cowboy up.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:43 pm**

Sounds like you may need to use them to prop your “your, I have all the right answers on how hockey should be played” attitude up.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:51 pm**

If I had all the right answers I would interject that I don’t pay homage to a high school with no youth feeder program using kids developed elsewhere to add to build a 4A trophy case. Hermantown gets a few kids and are chastised. Point is they should move up. But it’s neither of our calls just like it’s not my call to chastise a team that wins with no feeder development program. I say let the hill and htown kids do what they want without our opinions that they frankly don’t care about.

Posted: **Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:55 am**

Getitright wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:43 pm Sounds like you may need to use them to prop your “your, I have all the right answers on how hockey should be played” attitude up.

Aw, c'mon Mom, have some fun. It's just a game, and what good is the interweb if not for a bit of trash talk?

We are not indifferent to anyone's lack of homage to us or our program; we, in fact, delight in being the most hated program in MN.

Posted: **Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:05 am**

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:55 am
Getitright wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:43 pm Sounds like you may need to use them to prop your “your, I have all the right answers on how hockey should be played” attitude up.
Aw, c'mon Mom, have some fun. It's just a game, and what good is the interweb if not for a bit of trash talk?

We are not indifferent to anyone's lack of homage to us or our program; we, in fact, delight in being the most hated program in MN.

Pioneer Fans: We're the most hated program in MN!!

Hornet Fans: Hold our beer

Lee

Posted: **Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:55 am**

east hockey wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:05 am
East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:55 am
Getitright wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:43 pm Sounds like you may need to use them to prop your “your, I have all the right answers on how hockey should be played” attitude up.
Aw, c'mon Mom, have some fun. It's just a game, and what good is the interweb if not for a bit of trash talk?

We are not indifferent to anyone's lack of homage to us or our program; we, in fact, delight in being the most hated program in MN.
Pioneer Fans: MOORHEAD is the most hated program in MN!!

Hornets: We love 'em.

Lee

Posted: **Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:26 pm**

east hockey wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:05 am
East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:55 am
Getitright wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:43 pm Sounds like you may need to use them to prop your “your, I have all the right answers on how hockey should be played” attitude up.
Aw, c'mon Mom, have some fun. It's just a game, and what good is the interweb if not for a bit of trash talk?

We are not indifferent to anyone's lack of homage to us or our program; we, in fact, delight in being the most hated program in MN.
Pioneer Fans: We're the most hated program in MN!!

Hornet Fans: Hold our beer

Lee

In a word, no.

When we meet those dastardly Hornets in the state final, the only cheers or applause for Pioneer goals come from the Pioneer sections, as is typical. But, when hated Edina scores, there is a very slight but perceptible amount of not very enthusiastic applause from the non-Edina sections. It may only be for the first couple of Edina goals. This is how many angles can dance on the head of a pin stuff. You have to be paying close attention, but it's there, and it's important to some of us.

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