Future Stats

[pondhockey]

It was announced at the Ms. Hockey banquet that the coaches would have their own website to keep current stats available to view. What opinions are out there on the positives and negatives of these being available to everyone at all times? I know the concept isn't new, I just wonder what others think about it.
Also, what percentage of coach's have the time or will take the time to update them on a regular basis?

[Bensonmum]

MaxPreps was pretty good for it this season, at least for the Metro teams. Many out-state teams didn't participate. With MaxPreps it didn't have to be a coach to report the scores--anybody who registered could do it. I think that's why it was so up-to-date--a parent or two could take it upon themselves to check the scoresheet after the game and send in the score, goals, assists, and shots on goal. I'm sure if left up to coaches it would fall through the cracks with many of them.

[hockeya1a]

I think the stats are nice to have and they make for good conversations.

The stats are also nice for the future if they arn't recorded now they will be difficult to get later.

Maybe teams can have the team manager do the stats for them.

[ghshockeyfan]

People say that #'s never lie, but they can be deceiving sometimes. Many agree that there are conversion factors when comparing player stats from different conferences, etc. Also, the notion of quality points, or more correctly - points against quality opponents, is something worth considering. Then too, you must look at goaltending achievements and see more than just SO, GAA, or GA for that matter. What about MIN, SV%, SH/SV??? Those things are important too - as is the context within which these stats are achieved (amazing team in front of G??? And then, what about the quality of opponents faced too??/)... Most college coaches can decipher and sort through this mess, but sometimes the average person may not be able to see the context and role that plays in comparison...

Why are stats important? Only to help give accomplishments a historical significance. It's how we realize just how amazing certain accomplishments are. Without benchmarks being recorded now there won't be any future history to compare.

Stats are also nice for recruiting and "hockey resume" building purposes.

AND - this also helps give a sport legitimacy as well as something that can help make it more popular, etc. People will flock to stats sites and w/o them it wouldn't help a sport gain a following, popularity, grow, etc.

[ghshockeyfan]

Re Stats conversion, someone once asked me how I woudl address this to factor out the SOS component in Stats...

Pretty much, I'd take the player stats and multiply them by 1-(SOS RATING/126).

So two players with 100 pts, Player A's team has a SOS RATING of 25.456 and Player B's team 75.123...

Player A = 100pts*(1-(25.456/126)) = 100*(1-.202) = 100*.798 = 79.8pts

Player B = 100pts*(1-(75.123/126)) = 100*(1-.596) = 100*.404 = 40.4pts


There may be better ways, like looking at the actual games and throwing out points against teams ranked below "x" value in the rankings, etc. but this is a pretty good rough estimate of scoring comparison... Also, you need to consider that some coaches do/don't score control and do so at different points, different ways, etc. so that too should really be factored in to this somehow...

Would be interesting to see this done for all scorers relative to final KRACH SOS rating values...

One other thing that could be looked at is Points Per Game (PPG) vs total points... That's an easy conversion based on # of games played, but you'd need that info. for the PLAYER and not just the TEAM as you can't assume that the player and team play the same number of games, but could get a rough estimate by looking at those differences in team games from team-to-team too I suppose...

Of course, you'd also need to calculate a SOS for each player based on the games they played in vs. Team SOS if there were huge differences in the two...

[keepitreal]

Re Stats conversion, someone once asked me how I woudl address this to factor out the SOS component in Stats...

Pretty much, I'd take the player stats and multiply them by 1-(SOS RATING/126).

So two players with 100 pts, Player A's team has a SOS RATING of 25.456 and Player B's team 75.123...

Player A = 100pts*(1-(25.456/126)) = 100*(1-.202) = 100*.798 = 79.8pts

Player B = 100pts*(1-(75.123/126)) = 100*(1-.596) = 100*.404 = 40.4pts


There may be better ways, like looking at the actual games and throwing out points against teams ranked below "x" value in the rankings, etc. but this is a pretty good rough estimate of scoring comparison... Also, you need to consider that some coaches do/don't score control and do so at different points, different ways, etc. so that too should really be factored in to this somehow...

Would be interesting to see this done for all scorers relative to final KRACH SOS rating values...

One other thing that could be looked at is Points Per Game (PPG) vs total points... That's an easy conversion based on # of games played, but you'd need that info. for the PLAYER and not just the TEAM as you can't assume that the player and team play the same number of games, but could get a rough estimate by looking at those differences in team games from team-to-team too I suppose...

Of course, you'd also need to calculate a SOS for each player based on the games they played in vs. Team SOS if there were huge differences in the two...

Interesting idea, but to what end? Are we overemphasizing offensive statistics in what is supposed to be a team game? Certainly we need to keep track of stats, but "converting" them probably puts too much emphasis on individual offensive achievement and sends the wrong message.

[ghshockeyfan]

Interesting idea, but to what end? Are we overemphasizing offensive statistics in what is supposed to be a team game? Certainly we need to keep track of stats, but "converting" them probably puts too much emphasis on individual offensive achievement and sends the wrong message.

Team game yes, emphasis should always be on that - I agree...

I guess I just was pointing out that there is an easy way to compare stats with SOS considerations.

There is a simple way to adjust these too so that all the stats are relative to those scored by the team with the best SOS, but I think this is equally effective.

[twowayplay]

I do the stats for my sons Bantam B2 team. Here are a couple of ways you can "sort" throught the stats.

Compute the stats for only games with a two goal differential. This takes care of the blow-out, stat padding games. And shows who steps up in a tight game. I found some interesting trends by doing this.

Compute stats for only conference games as they count the most

For plus / minus, I do a similar one called % of minuses. Basically, take the # of minuses for a player and divide by total # of goals scored against the team even strength. This helps distinquish players who don't get scored on which is often hidden by the straight forward plus/minus.

[ghshockeyfan]

I do the stats for my sons Bantam B2 team. Here are a couple of ways you can "sort" throught the stats.

Compute the stats for only games with a two goal differential. This takes care of the blow-out, stat padding games. And shows who steps up in a tight game. I found some interesting trends by doing this.

Compute stats for only conference games as they count the most

For plus / minus, I do a similar one called % of minuses. Basically, take the # of minuses for a player and divide by total # of goals scored against the team even strength. This helps distinquish players who don't get scored on which is often hidden by the straight forward plus/minus.

I have to tell you that all of htis is great, but I especially like the way to make the '+/- relative to the team '+/- essentially by the manipulation you do (%).

I love it when someone from a team that's '+82375923875938275 says susie deserves this & that award because she's '+768... with no relative info. as to team data...