Simply sad..

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:25 am

Just way too many involved with vested interests, is what it comes down to.

I'd pay an extra fifty+ to have some Wisconsin evaluators/coaches do the deciding.... Man, how different things would be!

The extra fifty would raise around eight grand.. Plenty of money to bring in 8 - 10 Wisconsin (close) coaches/hockey guys. They'd probably actually jump at doing it for much cheaper..

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:50 am

The current system is like having a cutest baby contest and having a few of the moms do the judging..

Mite-dad · Post by **Mite-dad** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:51 am

MrBoDangles wrote:Just way too many involved with vested interests, is what it comes down to.

I'd pay an extra fifty+ to have some Wisconsin evaluators/coaches do the deciding.... Man, how different things would be!

The extra fifty would raise around eight grand.. Plenty of money to bring in 8 - 10 Wisconsin (close) coaches/hockey guys. They'd probably actually jump at doing it for much cheaper..

As long as they aren't handed the "list" of names beforehand.

edgeless2 · Post by **edgeless2** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:03 am

I was convinced myself there was some bias or a list of some sort before this year, but now I'm not so sure. There are kids that made it to national camp last year in New York that didn't get picked for 54's. When the number of kids that make the final group is cut in half from St. Cloud 100+ to 54 it's going to be tough on evaluators. That being said I'm not sure any of the rubes (myself included) on this bored can say a kid didn't deserve to make it. There are definitely kids that didn't make 54 that are as good or better than the kids who did get picked. Someone always gets left out, feelings are hurt, people get salty. As far as section 5 goes there were 2 D and 1 F that didn't make it that easily belong in that group of 54, potential D1 talent IMO. One of the Dmen in particular I thought was a Top 4 D of all the kids. It happens, it sucks but it will have no effect at all on these kids future. As far as the fundraising goes what burns my ass the most is the $20 they ask for at the door. The fu-@&"@ Onions on these people. Had a guy tell me at the door you have been around long enough you know nothing in hockey is free, it didn't leave me with a warm feeling. In all reality the cost of the tryout and festival are the price of a new stick of which junior goes through 4-5 a year and the kids get to establish relationships with kids from other communities that they would never get a chance to do otherwise, that for me is worth the politics and bs that all of us parents go through for our kids.

Wet Paint · Post by **Wet Paint** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:52 am

Mite-dad wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:Just way too many involved with vested interests, is what it comes down to.

I'd pay an extra fifty+ to have some Wisconsin evaluators/coaches do the deciding.... Man, how different things would be!

The extra fifty would raise around eight grand.. Plenty of money to bring in 8 - 10 Wisconsin (close) coaches/hockey guys. They'd probably actually jump at doing it for much cheaper..
As long as they aren't handed the "list" of names beforehand.

They would be handed a list and then there would be a few of the MN hockey guys up there during the process to make sure that the don't have any questions about anything while they are evaluating and selecting. And then just to make sure of it the list would be previewed prior to being published to make sure that everybody on it is ok. But it would be picked by the WI guys.

If you haven't figured it out by now that team was picked a few years ago. It is as big of a joke as the Elite league is when it comes to marketing and reputations that are created by parents who are marketing their kids so they can move on.

hunting247 · Post by **hunting247** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:52 pm

I think Elliott70 said it best when this exact subject came up last year

I have questions...

Where do you people get your information?

How do you know it is a lock for some kids?

Why do you think it is a money grab?

How do you know the thought process of the evaluators?

Why do you make such a fuss about it when you or yours are not directly involved?

What makes you an expert on which players are deserving?

Put your names on here and let us evaluate your criteria to be a critic of the system...
Present your criticism to MH, the hockey ops committee, give me your ideas for changes that should be made....

In other words, try doing something positive rather than complaining about something anonymously with no knowledge on the actual facts and not offering corrections or a better system.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:03 pm

Why do you make such a fuss about it when you or yours are not directly involved?

The darkest places in Hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

GoldenBear · Post by **GoldenBear** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:48 pm

Inig....Every time I read a post from you like above I laugh and think very witty. I then look at your tag-name and try to figure out what it means and I never can. Must be old age. GB[/quote]

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:43 pm

hunting247 wrote:I think Elliott70 said it best when this exact subject came up last year

I have questions...

Where do you people get your information?

How do you know it is a lock for some kids?

Why do you think it is a money grab?

How do you know the thought process of the evaluators?

Why do you make such a fuss about it when you or yours are not directly involved?

What makes you an expert on which players are deserving?

Put your names on here and let us evaluate your criteria to be a critic of the system...
Present your criticism to MH, the hockey ops committee, give me your ideas for changes that should be made....

In other words, try doing something positive rather than complaining about something anonymously with no knowledge on the actual facts and not offering corrections or a better system.

And the lightbulb should go on that Elliot's gone mute on this one.. On purpose, or not, huge mistakes were made.

4on5again · Post by **4on5again** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:48 pm

hunting247 wrote: What makes you an expert on which players are deserving?

Put your names on here and let us evaluate your criteria to be a critic of the system...
Present your criticism to MH, the hockey ops committee, give me your ideas for changes that should be made....

In other words, try doing something positive rather than complaining about something anonymously with no knowledge on the actual facts and not offering corrections or a better system.

Hey great idea!
The noble high horse you sit on makes me want to puke. All is rainbows and you've never been critical. pfff

zamboniexhaustinhaler · Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:56 pm

hunting247 wrote:I think Elliott70 said it best when this exact subject came up last year

I have questions...

Where do you people get your information?

How do you know it is a lock for some kids?

Why do you think it is a money grab?

How do you know the thought process of the evaluators?

Why do you make such a fuss about it when you or yours are not directly involved?

What makes you an expert on which players are deserving?

Put your names on here and let us evaluate your criteria to be a critic of the system...
Present your criticism to MH, the hockey ops committee, give me your ideas for changes that should be made....

In other words, try doing something positive rather than complaining about something anonymously with no knowledge on the actual facts and not offering corrections or a better system.

Wow...........

Bluewhitefan · Post by **Bluewhitefan** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:16 pm

hunting247 wrote:I think Elliott70 said it best when this exact subject came up last year

I have questions...

Where do you people get your information?

How do you know it is a lock for some kids?

Why do you think it is a money grab?

How do you know the thought process of the evaluators?

Why do you make such a fuss about it when you or yours are not directly involved?

What makes you an expert on which players are deserving?

Put your names on here and let us evaluate your criteria to be a critic of the system...
Present your criticism to MH, the hockey ops committee, give me your ideas for changes that should be made....

In other words, try doing something positive rather than complaining about something anonymously with no knowledge on the actual facts and not offering corrections or a better system.

Congratulations - your kid made it, so, definitively, there can be nothing wrong with the process. Jump on your high horse and trot off to St. Cloud.

4on5again · Post by **4on5again** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:30 pm

Bluewhitefan wrote:
hunting247 wrote:I think Elliott70 said it best when this exact subject came up last year

I have questions...

Where do you people get your information?

How do you know it is a lock for some kids?

Why do you think it is a money grab?

How do you know the thought process of the evaluators?

Why do you make such a fuss about it when you or yours are not directly involved?

What makes you an expert on which players are deserving?

Put your names on here and let us evaluate your criteria to be a critic of the system...
Present your criticism to MH, the hockey ops committee, give me your ideas for changes that should be made....

In other words, try doing something positive rather than complaining about something anonymously with no knowledge on the actual facts and not offering corrections or a better system.
Congratulations - your kid made it, so, definitively, there can be nothing wrong with the process. Jump on your high horse and trot off to St. Cloud.

Defending the process tells us there is question to the legitimacy of the picks, otherwise there is nothing to say.

hunting247 · Post by **hunting247** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:50 pm

Bluewhitefan wrote:
hunting247 wrote:I think Elliott70 said it best when this exact subject came up last year

I have questions...

Where do you people get your information?

How do you know it is a lock for some kids?

Why do you think it is a money grab?

How do you know the thought process of the evaluators?

Why do you make such a fuss about it when you or yours are not directly involved?

What makes you an expert on which players are deserving?

Put your names on here and let us evaluate your criteria to be a critic of the system...
Present your criticism to MH, the hockey ops committee, give me your ideas for changes that should be made....

In other words, try doing something positive rather than complaining about something anonymously with no knowledge on the actual facts and not offering corrections or a better system.
Congratulations - your kid made it, so, definitively, there can be nothing wrong with the process. Jump on your high horse and trot off to St. Cloud.

Sorry, no horse in this race. I'm sorry your kid didn't make the cut.

hunting247 · Post by **hunting247** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:02 pm

4on5again wrote:
Bluewhitefan wrote:
hunting247 wrote:I think Elliott70 said it best when this exact subject came up last year

I have questions...

Where do you people get your information?

How do you know it is a lock for some kids?

Why do you think it is a money grab?

How do you know the thought process of the evaluators?

Why do you make such a fuss about it when you or yours are not directly involved?

What makes you an expert on which players are deserving?

Put your names on here and let us evaluate your criteria to be a critic of the system...
Present your criticism to MH, the hockey ops committee, give me your ideas for changes that should be made....

In other words, try doing something positive rather than complaining about something anonymously with no knowledge on the actual facts and not offering corrections or a better system.
Congratulations - your kid made it, so, definitively, there can be nothing wrong with the process. Jump on your high horse and trot off to St. Cloud.
Defending the process tells us there is question to the legitimacy of the picks, otherwise there is nothing to say.

Not defending it just asking questions. I just think its funny that just because a team wins or out shoots an opponent that you think the team is full of superstars and should advance but the fact is they aren't picking individual players for the final 54 based off a teams performance. W/L means nothing in these things.

hunting247 · Post by **hunting247** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:08 pm

The simple fact is that just because your kid didn't make the cut doesn't mean his hockey career is over. I have seen kids not make it the spring festival one year to making the final 54 the next. And no one is forcing you to attend HP, if you don't like it don't go........

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:39 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:Just way too many involved with vested interests, is what it comes down to.

I'd pay an extra fifty+ to have some Wisconsin evaluators/coaches do the deciding.... Man, how different things would be!

The extra fifty would raise around eight grand.. Plenty of money to bring in 8 - 10 Wisconsin (close) coaches/hockey guys. They'd probably actually jump at doing it for much cheaper..

At minimum, we need to get the potential north metro evaluators off the lakes and out of the woods...

And I'm sure that I would probably hyper analyze a kid I didn't really know compared to the talent I knew.

How about if Elliot lists the evaluators and see if things become clear? I'm sure hunting would become silent..

22-1 is not possible with those wins and shot margins.. Period!

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:14 pm

The best thing a player who got cut could do, is not buy into this idea he got screwed, but learn and work harder so next year they can't cut him!

thefatcat · Post by **thefatcat** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:29 pm

GoldenBear wrote:Inig....Every time I read a post from you like above I laugh and think very witty. I then look at your tag-name and try to figure out what it means and I never can. Must be old age. GB

[/quote]

You have to watch the movie "The Princess Bride"....classic!

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:58 pm

GoldenBear wrote:Inig....Every time I read a post from you like above I laugh and think very witty. I then look at your tag-name and try to figure out what it means and I never can. Must be old age. GB

Prepare to die.

zamboniexhaustinhaler · Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:09 pm

thefatcat wrote:
GoldenBear wrote:Inig....Every time I read a post from you like above I laugh and think very witty. I then look at your tag-name and try to figure out what it means and I never can. Must be old age. GB

You have to watch the movie "The Princess Bride"....classic![/quote]

Inconceivable !

Mnhockeys · Post by **Mnhockeys** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:02 am

hunting247 wrote:The simple fact is that just because your kid didn't make the cut doesn't mean his hockey career is over. I have seen kids not make it the spring festival one year to making the final 54 the next. And no one is forcing you to attend HP, if you don't like it don't go........

Would that mean the selection process is at fault for not selecting the better players? It is advertised as to choose the best hockey players from the great hockey state of Minnesota. A good 15/16 year old got cut and a trott made it, would be easy explanation by the adults to the players, right?

How did all the finalists last year do in the mn high school season? Would that be a measure how the selection process performed?

Mnhockeys · Post by **Mnhockeys** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:09 am

zamboniexhaustinhaler wrote:
hunting247 wrote:I think Elliott70 said it best when this exact subject came up last year

I have questions...

Where do you people get your information?

How do you know it is a lock for some kids?

Why do you think it is a money grab?

How do you know the thought process of the evaluators?

Why do you make such a fuss about it when you or yours are not directly involved?

What makes you an expert on which players are deserving?

Put your names on here and let us evaluate your criteria to be a critic of the system...
Present your criticism to MH, the hockey ops committee, give me your ideas for changes that should be made....

In other words, try doing something positive rather than complaining about something anonymously with no knowledge on the actual facts and not offering corrections or a better system.
Wow...........

Hunt ... what are your answers to your own questions? You sounds like you definitely know more than the rest of us. Maybe you can tell how not, why not and what not.

hunting247 · Post by **hunting247** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:46 am

Mnhockeys wrote:
hunting247 wrote:The simple fact is that just because your kid didn't make the cut doesn't mean his hockey career is over. I have seen kids not make it the spring festival one year to making the final 54 the next. And no one is forcing you to attend HP, if you don't like it don't go........
Would that mean the selection process is at fault for not selecting the better players? It is advertised as to choose the best hockey players from the great hockey state of Minnesota. A good 15/16 year old got cut and a trott made it, would be easy explanation by the adults to the players, right?

How did all the finalists last year do in the mn high school season? Would that be a measure how the selection process performed?

It means the level of players is constantly evolving. Two kids get cut, kid A sulks about it and does nothing to improve and his parents whine on a hockey forum about the injustice and the corrupt system and tell him/her it was the system to blame. Kid B learns from it and works harder to improve everyday and parents understand and support his/her growth. Which one has more of chance in the future, or a better question which parent are you?

Mite-dad · Post by **Mite-dad** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:52 am

hunting247 wrote:
Mnhockeys wrote:
hunting247 wrote:The simple fact is that just because your kid didn't make the cut doesn't mean his hockey career is over. I have seen kids not make it the spring festival one year to making the final 54 the next. And no one is forcing you to attend HP, if you don't like it don't go........
Would that mean the selection process is at fault for not selecting the better players? It is advertised as to choose the best hockey players from the great hockey state of Minnesota. A good 15/16 year old got cut and a trott made it, would be easy explanation by the adults to the players, right?

How did all the finalists last year do in the mn high school season? Would that be a measure how the selection process performed?
It means the level of players is constantly evolving. Two kids get cut, kid A sulks about it and does nothing to improve and his parents whine on a hockey forum about the injustice and the corrupt system and tell him/her it was the system to blame. Kid B learns from it and works harder to improve everyday and parents understand and support his/her growth. Which one has more of chance in the future, or a better question which parent are you?

I'm the parent with the wrong connections.