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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by thestickler07 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:38 am

EP as a three seed is laughable and WBL got hosed.

Stack all the northern/private schools on the side of the bracket with the Hornets and all the big metro suburban schools on the other half?

This whole thing stinks.

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by mnmouth » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:40 am

WestMetro wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:29 am
Compared to final LPH rankings :

EP leapfrogs WBL and STA, then draws weakest unranked team in the first round. This after barely surviving unranked HF at Mariucci

Deast leapfrogs MH and WBL , but then draws same STA pairing but in evening bracket instead of afternoon. Destroys the chance for an all northern final . Destroys chance fir a Deast Edina final

Seems like Bears were most disrespected , specially after taking care of biz on Pio home ice

Who can figure it? Specially after 5 straight years of following LPH all the way thru 1-8 seeds
Love the Moorhead-Edina match-up & the potential for a Spud-Hounds semifinal. Go North!!

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by dherman8 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:43 am

Joe2015 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:05 am
ThatMNHockeyGuy62 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:02 am
Wow EP was a 3 seed in section 2AA and then a 3 seed at state. When’s the last time something like that happened?
Two seasons ago, Grand Rapids was a 4 seed in the sections and then got a 5 seed at state. And went on to win it all of course.
The big difference though is if I recall correctly (which can someone confirm my upcoming statement) Grand Rapids that year was in a close argument with the 3 seed ( was it Cloquet?) and got the "shaft" if you will by landing the 4 seed in the section. Even at the 4 seed they were thought to be dangerous because of the very high skill level their top line and they had been considered state worthy that year. Which they ended up showing by beating section number 1 ranked Elk River (who was in their own right a power that year) and then section number 2 DE who was also very good that year in the section final, which is always a heavy task. (Am I correct in my memory?) EP had one goliath to overcome in their section....which HF handled for them.

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by east hockey » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:45 am

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:37 am
ryguyMN wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:33 am
I agree that EP’s 3 seed is high. Even doing the regular season, I thought their state ranking was a tad high. The talent was there, but just never lived up to expectations on paper for whatever reason. Maybe it was Jensen trying to be the whole team.

Before the seeds were released, I was thinking the #5 seed would go to EP with WBL being #4. I would have placed STA at #3.

No question it should make for an interesting tournament though and have a captive audience.
Screen Shot 2019-03-02 at 10.36.02 AM.png

PageStat disagrees.

:idea:
I thought I had posted a response to this. Disappeared? Might have to talk to the Admins about this. :mrgreen:

PageStat had 1-5 the same as the seedings. But it would have had South vs Edina, WBL vs Blaine (correct) and Moorhead vs Eden Prairie. It also had East vs STA correctly.

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by Cougaralumni14 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:47 am

Well I guess the bottom 3 seeds are random with Eden Prairie drawing South. That STA V EAST night cap will be a good one, though I think we will see STA go back to defending their consolation title. All in all these matchups are going to be fun to see with nobody looking like their opener is going to be a cake walk by any stretch of the imagination.

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by ryguyMN » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:52 am

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:37 am
ryguyMN wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:33 am
I agree that EP’s 3 seed is high. Even doing the regular season, I thought their state ranking was a tad high. The talent was there, but just never lived up to expectations on paper for whatever reason. Maybe it was Jensen trying to be the whole team.

Before the seeds were released, I was thinking the #5 seed would go to EP with WBL being #4. I would have placed STA at #3.

No question it should make for an interesting tournament though and have a captive audience.
Screen Shot 2019-03-02 at 10.36.02 AM.png

PageStat disagrees.

:idea:
I don’t understand your statement. I’m saying STA should be above EP and that’s what your screenshot shows.
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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by ryguyMN » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:55 am

Cougaralumni14 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:47 am
Well I guess the bottom 3 seeds are random with Eden Prairie drawing South. That STA V EAST night cap will be a good one, though I think we will see STA go back to defending their consolation title. All in all these matchups are going to be fun to see with nobody looking like their opener is going to be a cake walk by any stretch of the imagination.
Glad I didn’t put money on the first round matchup being Edina vs. LkvS.
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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by east hockey » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:56 am

ryguyMN wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:52 am
EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:37 am
ryguyMN wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:33 am
I agree that EP’s 3 seed is high. Even doing the regular season, I thought their state ranking was a tad high. The talent was there, but just never lived up to expectations on paper for whatever reason. Maybe it was Jensen trying to be the whole team.

Before the seeds were released, I was thinking the #5 seed would go to EP with WBL being #4. I would have placed STA at #3.

No question it should make for an interesting tournament though and have a captive audience.
Screen Shot 2019-03-02 at 10.36.02 AM.png

PageStat disagrees.

:idea:
I don’t understand your statement. I’m saying STA should be above EP and that’s what your screenshot shows.
He's right in that PageStat has Eden Prairie higher. He posted a screen shot of the rankings prior to the state of the Section Tournaments which (then) had STA higher at that time.

Here are the current rankings:

http://minnhock.com/ps2019.htm

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by EREmpireStrikesBack » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:58 am

east hockey wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:56 am
ryguyMN wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:52 am
EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:37 am


Screen Shot 2019-03-02 at 10.36.02 AM.png

PageStat disagrees.

:idea:
I don’t understand your statement. I’m saying STA should be above EP and that’s what your screenshot shows.
He's right in that PageStat has Eden Prairie higher. He posted a screen shot of the rankings prior to the state of the Section Tournaments which (then) had STA higher at that time.

Here are the current rankings:

http://minnhock.com/ps2019.htm

Lee
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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by hockey59 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:01 am

DadsMoney wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:04 am
karl(east) wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:51 am
2. Blaine vs. WBL
3. Eden Prairie vs. Lakeville South
1. Edina vs. Moorhead
4. St. Thomas vs. 5 Duluth East

Good day to be an Eagle, apparently. :?
Until they get demolished by Blaine. EP is the most overrated team in the state.
WOW...the RANDOM DRAW is back :shock: A tremendous draw for Blaine! Can’t believe EP got 3rd seed. If I’m EdinA & Curt Giles...I’m not pleased.
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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by ryguyMN » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:02 am

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:58 am
east hockey wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:56 am
ryguyMN wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:52 am


I don’t understand your statement. I’m saying STA should be above EP and that’s what your screenshot shows.
He's right in that PageStat has Eden Prairie higher. He posted a screen shot of the rankings prior to the state of the Section Tournaments which (then) had STA higher at that time.

Here are the current rankings:

http://minnhock.com/ps2019.htm

Lee
Technical difficulties...

Eyes see one thing and fingers capture something different.

:idea:
Thanks guys. For a minute there, thought I needed to take myself in to get drug tested.
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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by StanleyCup55 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:05 am

I liked the idea of ranking the top 5 but it looks like a mess now. No way EP should have the 3. They have 9 losses. STA has 4. I root against private schools but this just makes no sense. Same with East getting the 5. WBL got screwed too.

Just looking at EP sitting there at number three with 9 losses and playing Lakeville South right away just doesn’t fit with what’s happened all year.

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by EREmpireStrikesBack » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:06 am

ryguyMN wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:02 am
Thanks guys. For a minute there, thought I needed to take myself in to get drug tested.
That's reserved for those who talk in all emoticons. #-o

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by east hockey » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:07 am

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:06 am
ryguyMN wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:02 am
Thanks guys. For a minute there, thought I needed to take myself in to get drug tested.
That's reserved for those who talk in all emoticons. #-o

:idea:
I don't recall Slapshooter ever being tested.

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by EREmpireStrikesBack » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:09 am

StanleyCup55 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:05 am
I liked the idea of ranking the top 5 but it looks like a mess now. No way EP should have the 3. They have 9 losses. STA has 4. I root against private schools but this just makes no sense. Same with East getting the 5. WBL got screwed too.

Just looking at EP sitting there at number three with 9 losses and playing Lakeville South right away just doesn’t fit with what’s happened all year.
Strength of schedule has no bearing for you?

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by EREmpireStrikesBack » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:10 am

east hockey wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:07 am
I don't recall Slapshooter ever being tested.

Lee
He was around in the pre-testing days. BB & him are the reason the CBA has tightened since then.

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by mnmouth » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:17 am

hockey59 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:01 am
DadsMoney wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:04 am
karl(east) wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:51 am
2. Blaine vs. WBL
3. Eden Prairie vs. Lakeville South
1. Edina vs. Moorhead
4. St. Thomas vs. 5 Duluth East

Good day to be an Eagle, apparently. :?
Until they get demolished by Blaine. EP is the most overrated team in the state.
WOW...the RANDOM DRAW is back :shock: A tremendous draw for Blaine! Can’t believe EP got 3rd seed. If I’m EdinA & Curt Giles...I’m not pleased.
Ya never know. Maybe WBL finally gets that elusive first state quarterfinal victory

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by GopherHockey » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:21 am

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:09 am
StanleyCup55 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:05 am
I liked the idea of ranking the top 5 but it looks like a mess now. No way EP should have the 3. They have 9 losses. STA has 4. I root against private schools but this just makes no sense. Same with East getting the 5. WBL got screwed too.

Just looking at EP sitting there at number three with 9 losses and playing Lakeville South right away just doesn’t fit with what’s happened all year.
Strength of schedule has no bearing for you?

:idea:
Exactly. EP probably had one of the toughest schedules all year. The only luck I see is that they drew LS and East was seeded 5. WBL and Moorhead get the shaft here.

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by ryguyMN » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:22 am

east hockey wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:45 am
EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:37 am
ryguyMN wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:33 am
I agree that EP’s 3 seed is high. Even doing the regular season, I thought their state ranking was a tad high. The talent was there, but just never lived up to expectations on paper for whatever reason. Maybe it was Jensen trying to be the whole team.

Before the seeds were released, I was thinking the #5 seed would go to EP with WBL being #4. I would have placed STA at #3.

No question it should make for an interesting tournament though and have a captive audience.
Screen Shot 2019-03-02 at 10.36.02 AM.png

PageStat disagrees.

:idea:
I thought I had posted a response to this. Disappeared? Might have to talk to the Admins about this. :mrgreen:

PageStat had 1-5 the same as the seedings. But it would have had South vs Edina, WBL vs Blaine (correct) and Moorhead vs Eden Prairie. It also had East vs STA correctly.

Lee
Congrats Lee, BTW, on having PageStat nail the seedings 1-5. Since the unseeded three teams are a random draw, supposedly, it’s hard to fault PageStat for that.
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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by Section 8 guy » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:26 am

I wonder how many times a team has outshot a team 17-0 from the opening puck drop during the regular season. And then ended up getting seeded behind them in the state tourney.

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by thestickler07 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:28 am

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:09 am
StanleyCup55 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:05 am
I liked the idea of ranking the top 5 but it looks like a mess now. No way EP should have the 3. They have 9 losses. STA has 4. I root against private schools but this just makes no sense. Same with East getting the 5. WBL got screwed too.

Just looking at EP sitting there at number three with 9 losses and playing Lakeville South right away just doesn’t fit with what’s happened all year.
Strength of schedule has no bearing for you?

:idea:
Moose Lake could lose to Edina 3 times in a season (Eagles lost by a combined 18-5 scoreline btw) - color me unimpressed.

5-7 loss to Stillwater? 3-5 to Hermantown? I'm not saying the Lake Conference isn't a tough league, but to go from a 3 seed in your section to a 3 seed at state (without having to beat Minnetonka) is questionable at best.

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by hockey59 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:33 am

mnmouth wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:17 am
hockey59 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:01 am
DadsMoney wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:04 am


Until they get demolished by Blaine. EP is the most overrated team in the state.
WOW...the RANDOM DRAW is back :shock: A tremendous draw for Blaine! Can’t believe EP got 3rd seed. If I’m EdinA & Curt Giles...I’m not pleased.
Ya never know. Maybe WBL finally gets that elusive first state quarterfinal victory
Maybe...but Blaine (based on how they’ve played since Jan 1st) got a more favorable draw than Edina. Blaine did lose in a fire wagon game to EP around New Years, but Blaine has taken their game to a different level since then. If they get by STA mm...the refs aren’t gonna let DE play WWE style against EDINA (and not spend a fair amount of time in the sin bin) 😉 But ya can’t ever count out the mad scientist & the Hounds☝️
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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by green4 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:35 am

5AA hasn't won in the first round in awhile, correct? Blaine vs WBL means one trend has to end.

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by hky17 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:37 am

green4 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:35 am
5AA hasn't won in the first round in awhile, correct? Blaine vs WBL means one trend has to end.
Actually centennial beat sta last year so that streak is broken

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Re: AA state tourney seeding

Post by BodyShots » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:38 am

karl(east) wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:51 am
2. Blaine vs. WBL
3. Eden Prairie vs. Lakeville South
1. Edina vs. Moorhead
4. St. Thomas vs. 5 Duluth East

Good day to be an Eagle, apparently. :?
Blasphemy!!!!!!!!!!!

Does Prior Lake get seeded #3 if they win that section? Hell NO. What a joke.

Nuts and bolts, nuts and bolts. Both WBL and STA got screwed.

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