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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by WestMetro » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:03 pm

Pure speculation -that we will be looking forward to seeing all 2003 mshsl’ers back in action next year

Then there is still the question about Biondi

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by blueblood » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:49 pm

Janicke going to the NTDP is not all that surprising given his brother played there. MG is still loaded for the next couple of years with their B2B Bantam AA titles.

2 Gentry kids making the NTDP roster will make for great marketing material for that program.
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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by O-townClown » Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:46 pm

blueblood wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:49 pm
2 Gentry kids making the NTDP roster will make for great marketing material for that program.
Or a nail for the coffin. Had the 2003 (15) team played Varsity next year they would have leaped St. Thomas & Cretin to rival Hill-Murray. Instead they remain Class A and maybe an option for Bantam players looking for something different from their association.
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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by blueblood » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:26 pm

OTC:

Agree it could be a nail.

Had they stayed I find it hard to believe they would be leap-frogging teams like STA and CDH and/or challenging HM for eastside supremacy this soon. [-X
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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by O-townClown » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:06 pm

Had they stayed I find it hard to believe they would be leap-frogging teams like STA and CDH and/or challenging HM for eastside supremacy this soon.

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They would have been in the mix to win state. You can't say that about STA or C-DH next year. Maybe Hill. I like what they have returning.
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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by ThatMNHockeyGuy62 » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:31 am

This is all moot. Gentry’s top team doesn’t play MSHSL. They play tier 1.

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by Section 8 guy » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:27 pm

O-townClown wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:06 pm
They would have been in the mix to win state. You can't say that about STA or C-DH next year. Maybe Hill. I like what they have returning.
I can’t imagine Gentry would have anything close to the depth needed for this to be a reasonable take.

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by O-townClown » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:09 am

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Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:27 pm
I can’t imagine Gentry would have anything close to the depth needed for this to be a reasonable take.
3 lines deep with 6 D and a very solid goalie. I'm sure you are netting out a kid or two from out of state that would not be MSHSL eligible, but I do not know enough about their circumstances to comment.

A lot of attention on their top kids, but I was very impressed because none of them are weak at all. There's no drop off as you get to the bottom of their line chart. All the players past their elite high end are proficient.
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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by blueblood » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:44 pm

If they have that good a team returning, why would they not decide to opt up like most other privates and top end small end schools...cough cough....
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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by WestMetro » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:59 pm

OTC - just to be clear , you are talking about their top Tier 1 kids IF they decided to play high school ?

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by O-townClown » Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:25 pm

blueblood wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:44 pm
If they have that good a team returning, why would they not decide to opt up like most other privates and top end small end schools...cough cough....
Blueblood, obviously the focus is not going to be MSHSL Varsity. Two players are signed to move to Plymouth, Michigan and it does make you wonder where others land.
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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by O-townClown » Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:28 pm

WestMetro wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:59 pm
OTC - just to be clear , you are talking about their top Tier 1 kids IF they decided to play high school ?
Westie, yes. If the students at the school played MSHSL. They have the players enrolled today to be a power next season. That is obviously not the plan.

I asked several people during the season what was going on at the school and nobody could conclusively answer. I think it is still unclear as I was told the school was sold. Will they field non-MSHSL teams of HS age players?
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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by WestMetro » Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:06 pm

agree they fir sure could be competitive in A class under that scenario if all tier 1s played mshsl , top 5 in state probably , maybe top 3

Suspect Schimek will end up at STA where brother just graduated , he’s already got his D1 locked up . Not sure about rest , couldn’t hazard a guess

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by ThatMNHockeyGuy62 » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:14 pm

I think, total conjecture, that the reason the top team is tier 1 is that those players want to compete together for a full season as opposed to the mid-Nov thru Feb schedule of MSHSL. Same reason as Shattuck?

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by O-townClown » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:27 pm

ThatMNHockeyGuy62 wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:14 pm
I think, total conjecture, that the reason the top team is tier 1 is that those players want to compete together for a full season as opposed to the mid-Nov thru Feb schedule of MSHSL. Same reason as Shattuck?
We're all speculating here, but it is a great deal different from Shattuck. Most of the kids are MSHSL eligible. Boarding students are not.

Hardly unprecedented, those in charge were controlling and creating an environment to accelerate the advancement of their kids. Nobody will argue that is has worked fine.
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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by ThatMNHockeyGuy62 » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:05 pm

O-townClown wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:27 pm
ThatMNHockeyGuy62 wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:14 pm
I think, total conjecture, that the reason the top team is tier 1 is that those players want to compete together for a full season as opposed to the mid-Nov thru Feb schedule of MSHSL. Same reason as Shattuck?
We're all speculating here, but it is a great deal different from Shattuck. Most of the kids are MSHSL eligible. Boarding students are not.
Fair enough. Comparison to Shattuck was more-so in that some parents feel, right or wrong, the benefit is in playing the longer season. Definitely not a great comparison eligibility-wise.

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by WestMetro » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:35 pm

Yes just pure but fun speculation of something that might have been . But will never know - With Chaz and Martin leaving for Ntdp , Cruz for Compu, Schimek likely to STA ,

My understanding after the sale they will still field Tier1 teams , as well as mshsl team, will be interesting to see how it all works out in the new era

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by Stang5280 » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:45 pm

O-townClown wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:27 pm
We're all speculating here, but it is a great deal different from Shattuck. Most of the kids are MSHSL eligible. Boarding students are not.
Well, actually... :wink:
Boarding school students are eligible to participate in MSHSL activities. Both St. John’s Prep and Winona Cotter have boarding programs and are members of the MSHSL. Shattuck actively chose to leave the MSHSL for hockey in 1993 in order to raise their national profile and become a magnet for hockey players (the school had been financially struggling), and only recently left the MSHSL for its other sports.

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by Dangler82 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:50 am

[quote=WestMetro post_id=734552 time=1554683750 user_id=22850]
Yes just pure but fun speculation of something that might have been . But will never know - With Chaz and Martin leaving for Ntdp , Cruz for Compu, Schimek likely to STA ,

My understanding after the sale they will still field Tier1 teams , as well as mshsl team, will be interesting to see how it all works out in the new era
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Who bought Gentry?

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by O-townClown » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:46 am

Stang5280 wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:45 pm
O-townClown wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:27 pm
We're all speculating here, but it is a great deal different from Shattuck. Most of the kids are MSHSL eligible. Boarding students are not.
Well, actually... :wink:
Boarding school students are eligible to participate in MSHSL activities. Both St. John’s Prep and Winona Cotter have boarding programs and are members of the MSHSL. Shattuck actively chose to leave the MSHSL for hockey in 1993 in order to raise their national profile and become a magnet for hockey players (the school had been financially struggling), and only recently left the MSHSL for its other sports.
Stang, I was thinking of the Northern Educate debacle where the Girls team was nuked at playoff time. The sticky wicket was players living in Minnesota to attend school without their families?

Thanks for the clarification on SJP and Cotter. I definitely did not realize.
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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by Stang5280 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:42 pm

O-townClown wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:46 am
Stang5280 wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:45 pm
O-townClown wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:27 pm
We're all speculating here, but it is a great deal different from Shattuck. Most of the kids are MSHSL eligible. Boarding students are not.
Well, actually... :wink:
Boarding school students are eligible to participate in MSHSL activities. Both St. John’s Prep and Winona Cotter have boarding programs and are members of the MSHSL. Shattuck actively chose to leave the MSHSL for hockey in 1993 in order to raise their national profile and become a magnet for hockey players (the school had been financially struggling), and only recently left the MSHSL for its other sports.
Stang, I was thinking of the Northern Educate debacle where the Girls team was nuked at playoff time. The sticky wicket was players living in Minnesota to attend school without their families?

Thanks for the clarification on SJP and Cotter. I definitely did not realize.
That was indeed a bizarre situation. I believe the distinction is that the Northern Educate players were staying with billet families, and not in housing on a school campus. Minnesota has so few boarding schools compared to other traditional hockey states, and the issue rarely comes up. (Coincidentally, one of my classmates growing up boarded at Shattuck and played when they were rebuilding their program.)

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by Stang5280 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:53 pm

Steering the conversation back away from my boarding school tangent, three players from Minnesota must be one of the smaller groups of players from the state in some time. There are a lot of players from non-traditional areas, seemingly even more than in recent years.

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by InThePipes » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:10 pm

Stang5280 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:53 pm
Steering the conversation back away from my boarding school tangent, three players from Minnesota must be one of the smaller groups of players from the state in some time. There are a lot of players from non-traditional areas, seemingly even more than in recent years.
I don't think so:

2019 - Janicke, Lucius, Martin
2018 - Faber, Gallatin, Kelley
2017 - Helleson
2016 - Janicke, Miller

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Re: NDTP Invites MN edition

Post by Stang5280 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:26 pm

InThePipes wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:10 pm
Stang5280 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:53 pm
Steering the conversation back away from my boarding school tangent, three players from Minnesota must be one of the smaller groups of players from the state in some time. There are a lot of players from non-traditional areas, seemingly even more than in recent years.
I don't think so:

2019 - Janicke, Lucius, Martin
2018 - Faber, Gallatin, Kelley
2017 - Helleson
2016 - Janicke, Miller
Thanks for the research! I wasn’t in a position to look it up and made a bad assumption. 2017 was a real anomaly.

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